I should have framed it better...it wasnt passed for more than a month. I used to attend xBHP g2gs and go to lonavla etc without any number whatsoever.

The bill of lading came straight from Honda yet it was considered fake...so it went back to the dock authorities and some Mr XYZ signed onto it confirming that its orginal. Upon submitting that RTO wondered if the signature is a fake one so they called up the same Mr XYZ to ask him if he had really signed onto the documents. I am telling u its a big pain.

The thing is...DRI screwed up RTO officers royally, those involved in the scam. Now no one will wanna touch ur bike if it aint indian thinking u r a scamster and that they will lose their job if they pass ur vehicle.

Mine got passed later somehow and a lot of credit goes to Mr Chetan Doshi of Swargate Suzuki in Pune...that guy even delivered me my bike at 1 am and made sure his entire staff was available for loading unloading at that inhuman hour.
So if u wanna buy an SBK ( Suzuki or Honda only ) he is the only guy u can buy from and hope that u get ur bike registered in a month or two.
Another rider friend who bought a ducati threated Ducati Italy that if he doesnt get his bike in india registered he will park the bike in front of their showroom throw in the keys in the shop and head towards a lawyer. He went to chennai on his bike without a number and had track days without registerign the bike :s

There is nothign the bike comapnies can do...its our system that is fcukin us up.

I did not get it clearly..

like in my case, what options does my cousin have???
does he have any chance of getting this done legally??.
he does not use it regularly but what if i want to get it legalised??
are there any legal ways??

wow.

honda, suzuki, yamaha, ducati...

having "lauched" their bikes... it's weird that they haven't sorted things out.

it's only natural for the RTO guys to be scared of having anything to do with an imported bike. (you can't expect anything better from them)

but all they (SBK showroom guys) have to do is assign an employee to be a liaison between the RTO and DRI and the Company.

sounds really easy.

Coz... Bajaj have imported the Ninja 250R.

wonder how they deal with things???

@Bking: I'm not saying you threaten them & screw their happiness, but if their is pressure on their head, there are higher chances of an amicable setllement. Your friend has the cheques to prove that the bike was his & that they were to buy it from him. All the BEST.

CHEERS,
G D

no chance...its not just an imported bike but also a 600 ! Just ride it the way it is and whosoevers name it is on !
Companies send an employee as high as the owner of the showroom wearing "honda/suzuki/yamaha" tag on their shirt to the RTO officers !
HODs from delhi call up these officers to tell them of how legal the bike is etc etc.
Nothing helps...DRI to RTO is like what SS was in the nazi era. They just dont wanna mess up with DRI !
Ninja doesnt face the issue because Ninja is an indian bike ! dont ask me why ? thats how the RTO guys think...they see a fat tyre and they refuse to even let u stand in their office !

True satyenpoojary, there are no papers to prove it. But interpretting from the way the bike looks, I can very well assured that it was indeed a konika minolta bike that was brought down as spares and assembled. For example, there are specific logots on the windscreen and tank. When you rub your fingers through these decals, you get assured that the paint work is genuine. The fit and finish look damn original. For the ordinary person, it may be hard to distinguish, but for us hardcore passionate bikers, it isn't that tough. I believe we have an eagle eye for these things!

Bingo gamer.gautham! This is exactly what I want fellow bikers to know. Please spread the word. Make them refer to this thread. I would say 90+% of the bikes are unclean.

The reason was my friend is going to get married. His parents wanted him to get rid of the bike and get another car in addition to what he already has. Otherwise, deep down, if it weren't for the parent's pressure, he would have never sold the bike.


See what I mean Rockrz!!! Thanks for brining this up! This concept of "not wanting to be in hassel" is a very big mistake. As Xionite already point out with the case of my friend harish as well, they KNOW the bike is not clean, so in the event of any accident, they want to disappear without a trace. This is what works to the advantage of grey market brokers! Even though there are genuine bikers who want to register it in their names, brokers put this poison, especially on young unaware bikers, by cooking of stories of the possibility of getting into trouble. Obviously, the broker doesn't want to get you register it in your name because you cannot! There are no clean papers!

I doubt that it is in the name of someone from Japan. This is another trick that I found out in the investigations. Another broker excuse. If you are caught in traffic, tell cops that the bike belongs to foreign embassy consulates. This specifically applies to those bikes that dont even have a number plate. usually the foreign consulates in India have a specialized number that is a mix of letters and numbers. And if cops ask about the specialized number plates, then tell them that the bike just arrived and will have a number plate soon. Or like you pointed out Rockrz, tell that it is in someone's name in Japan, or malaysia, blah blah!

See how much hassels, lies, pain and suffering you have to go through in keeping an unclean bike? When instead, you should be passionate about riding and enjoying the lovely sbk. The guyz who bought the ninja 250, I know its expensive, but I think these guyz did their homework right. They chose peace of mind over all the agony. But still no issues guys, I want more and more people to read this tread. Let the word spread!

Because most of the registered numbers on sbk's are fake! Getting a registration number used to be the least of problems at RTO's. few years back, all you needed to do was bribe an RTO official and he will give you an R/C. This was the very special case in mumbai, specifically the MH06 RTO. I heard that if you paid anywhere between Rs. 15K to 40K, you can get an R/C book. The address and name on it is all fake. But now, getting an r/c for an sbk has become super tough. If you read other posts, you will know that DRI nailed down all the corrupted RTO officials and suspended them. Read below, I will explain it more in detail.

The above three statements you mentioned TenHut, I couldn't have put it better myself! While trying to get an sbk myself, I spent a lot of time doing ground work before buying a used sbk. And through my friend's stolen bike, I also got the know the scams involved.

Overall, its not a pretty scene guyz. And as Tenhut put it, the problem is our F**KED UP GOVERNMENT SYSTEM, where idiots sit on top level and make this ridiculous rules. If they kept the tax system at a reasonable 10 to 12%, the government can make more revenues and prevent the unnecessary scams!

Also Tenhut, I am assured that the RTO officials were lying. They KNEW your bill of landing was all proper. Just that after the DRI nailing their A$$, these lousy government officials want to ensure that their a$$ doesn't get nailed again. Deep down, they are pissed that they can't take bribe anymore. And since you have legal papers, there is no way they can try to take any moolah from you. The only thing they wanted to do was piss you off, and make you wait! Freaking A$$***es man! Typical government worker attitude!

Now they're just afraid of the very sight of an sbk. LIke someone elese already pointed out. Even if you bring a pulsar or a karizma with a 150+ rear tyre, they are going to give people trouble! useless guys, no point in talking about them!

Thats a good set of questions Rockrz, let me tell you how, to the best of my knowledge.

You can import anything and everthing legally into India! Like TenHut put it, its a pain, but not impossible. Yes, this includes even a 600 cc bike. Few years ago, harley davidson lobbied with the indian government o legalize their brand in India. And they needed a story. If you have been following the news papers, a pact was created between India and the US. Long story short, the a bill was passed claiming that "India will import harley davidson provided, america will buy our mangoes." Now any person with common sense will know that this is just a gimmick. "Oh they are buying our mangoes, so in exchange we buy their harleys" The thing is, the Indian goverment (given the fact that we have many national interests to worry about, than getting luxury bikes to india) needed a justification to legalize harleys, and the passed this mango deal! The US harley lobbyists gave so much pressure to the indian system

there is a reason why i said the above story to you Rockrz. Every wonder why the indian government legalized 800 cc and above bikes to be sold officially in India? Its because, the lowest cc harley is 883cc. And so the benchmark was done.

This law being passed made it easier for the Japs and Italians to easily bring in their litre class bikes. Say a harley had a 595 cc bike, I am sure that given their pressures on the indian government even 600 cc bikes could be sold officially in the market.

But anyways, the clause of 800 cc or above, applies to only dealerships that sell these bikes. But if you are an individual, you can import anything, ie even a 600 cc bike, or even an ATV, whatever!

Now answring your questions:

like in my case, what options does my cousin have???
does he have any chance of getting this done legally??.
he does not use it regularly but what if i want to get it legalised??
are there any legal ways??

yes he can. check out these links below:

DRI cracks down on Illegal Imports of spares and Re-Assembled Bikes.. A Shocking Report : purefriendship blogs on sulekha, General blogs, purefriendship blog from india

400 smuggled super bikes registered at Pen RTO - Hindustan Times

Court refuses to believe police version on illegal bike imports - Mumbai - DNA

You can approach the DRI voluntarily. All they want you to do is pay the legal tax amount. Even if your bike was assembled as a grey market machine, you can still legalize it. You may not have a bill of landing, but the DRI will furnish "DRI clearance certificate" which will be the most valuable document that certifies that your bike is clean!

In fact, what's the point of DRI confescating the bikes and letting them rot? Even they need to make money for the government than let a bike rot in their stables for nothing.

There are many DRI offices located in prominent cities across India. You can check them out here:

YouCanHelp

There are names of people and telephone numbers. Call them up and talk to them. When you boldly go in with your bike, saying that you want to legalize it, they do cooperate with you. Many of the seized bikes by the DRI have been returned to owners after the payment of the tax.

Moreover, I don't know if you guyz checked out the Times of India news papers on 13th August, 2010: You CAN legalize them! here is what it said:

Source : Times of India,13th Aug'10

Here is a direct link: e-paper Sign-in


Mean machines to be sold for not-so-mean prices

C Unnikrishnan

Mumbai: Harley DavidsonArnold Schwarzeneggers favourite bike and the American symbol of freedomis set to compete with Suzukis Hayabusa and Intruder and Hondas CBZ even as the mean machines are put under the hammer in your neighbourhood.
The buyers need not fear that the law enforcement agencies will hound them for possessing a smuggled bike,but the bid will definitely burn a hole in your pocket,though the base price is yet to be fixed.
The customs department has decided to auction 18 motorcycles and a buggy that were seized after the directorate of revenue intelligence (DRI) busted a racket in which spare parts of the bikes were smuggled into the country from Singapore and assembled at specialised garages in Mumbai and Pune.
The DRI sniffed a scam in February,last year,when information gathered suggested that spare parts of motorcycles were being smuggled into the country and bikes were being assembled here.Import of these bikes through proper channel was unlikely as it attracted a duty of 103% and if it was a used motorcycle,the duty was intentionally kept higher at 150% to check smuggling,which is rampant in the latter category.However,the duty rates on spare parts were 25% to 30% and that made it easy for the gang,DRI officials had found.The DRI had seized 84 bikes,of which 64 were returned to the users after they paid the duty and the penalty.
The cartel,headed by Nadir Ali,owner of a garage in Bandra and who is currently in judicial custody of the DRI,teamed up with five others and sold the bikes to unsuspecting buyers.Most of the buyerswho were crazy about such motorcycles and had huge amounts at their disposalfound the prices offered (Rs 11 lakh) cheaper,considering that importing a bike would cost them Rs 17 lakh.
After the DRI seized the bikes,the buyers found themselves in a soup.If buyers wanted their bikes back,they would have had to pay 150% duty and an equal sum as penalty.So,some of them decided to abandon it.However,some,who were absolutely crazy about the motorcycles,paid the amount and took the vehicles back, an official said.

Hope this helps you out Rockrz!


Acutally G D , if you read the posts clearly, the cheques were fake. That's another reason why my friend is taking it slow. man, I really appercaite your concern buddy. thanks for the wishes, we hope to see some light!

govt lazy suits

india is 3rd most powerful country in world we would be no 1 if we had a good govt and no lazy suits who have no brain's.we would have zero duties for sbk.

actually I should not post this here please feel free to pm me for deletion if u feel that this will be misleading.

my cousin got the bike for 7 lakhs. thats gone
now he will have to pay 150% duty and then 150% fine again.. so that amounts to 21 lakhs... fine as yet

now the question is will he pay the extra 300 % on the original price at the time of importing or the current price of the bike??

by current price what will be it from these 2 options
A - the price of the 600 rr after depreciation in its tokyo (from where this bike is from??

B - the price of new 600 rr if imported from tokyo??


also, if he decides to import a new one, as a legal bike and dismantle this one and show it as spares (just so that no one can confiscate the bike, is it legal)

These are very good questions Rockrz. Unfortunately, my knowledge is limited on this. I suggest that you talk to the DRI people directly. Shoot them an email.

To keep things discrete, I would tell them that I am intereseted in coming to the auction, and what procedures are required for that. What address is it? Then I would ask them, what what price range can I expect to have the bike.

Would the bidding amount include both taxes and penalties? If so, what is the percentage breakdown?

What legal document will I get to justify that bike is clean?

If you do get these answers, please keep us updated. AGain, these are very good questions. I don't know these answers and I wouldn't want to misdirect you. Everything else I've stated in this post, they are all what I learnt solidly. So good luck buddy!

First of all sorry for your friend. Well normally when we sell something especially in a automobile segment normally we prefer cash and then show in our books as it is the easiest and the safest way to exchange goods. Well in your friends case he was to excited to hand over the keys to the people it is absolutely his fault above all nothing can happen in this case i am saying this since i am a financer my self. Well as the ownership of the bike has been transfered to the person and i guess by know the bike would have been sold to a third guy by know as we read this as these kind of people dont wait for a long time to keep the vehicle with them. Mostly these kind of stuff is normally been sold outside the registered state as u mentioned here that if any one spots this bike in Hyderabad do call the contact number given above., dude i am sorry but he will not get a single peace of his bike nor the money as the people had to do there work and so they have done it and long gone.

well i guess DRI department wont be able to help here anyways lets see what happens in this case please do keep this post open as i would love to know what happens

attention please

hey bking,

a 2008 Konica Minolta cbr 600rr has been put up for sale at bikes4sale.in... Is this the same bike??? link is below:

Second hand used Imported Honda for sale in Hyderabad Andhra Pradesh 35184 - Bikes4Sale.in

Bking


quickly inform the police,they can act as the decoy before the seller and nab them.also try to trace the seller's email address wuth the help of cyber cell. they can help you narrow where the fraudster recently used his address.

Wonderful guyz, thanks a lotttt!!! This is clearly the bike!!!!! In hyderabad itself, And the registration number has also been clearly removed......am on it!!!! Thanks again guyz, love you!

And one more thing guyz, seems like he is using a christian name now, Dan! No phone number, and contact is only by email.....what if he's just treading waters to see if people are still on to him....I informed my friend harish, but if people try to establish contact and he goes into hiding again?

Hopefully, the police will be able to guide my friend. Given the shady location of the bike pics where its located, you can't even guess in which area of hyderabad the landmark might be......man!

Anywayz, the bike could have disappeared for good, but now there is another chance. Will make it even harder the @$%#$$% thief by making it difficult for him again. Thanks again guyz, really really reallyyyyyy thanks!!!