Mach, even though the Esteem makes 86bhp, and the Astra 76.5 bhp, the Astra has a significant advantage of its overdrive on highways where you can cruise at higher speed constantly, stably, without stressing the engine. It is not a torquey car. That is why Esteems are preferred over Astras anyday in rallies. Infact, I have never seen anyone with an Astra on 4w rallies. 90% of the cars are Esteems. Few Gypsies. Few Cedias. Whole different story.

Having a few bhps more, does not make a car better in terms of quality to another one. There are a whole lot of other points to consider. Drive for 4 hours on an Esteem cosntantly @140Kmph and let me know if the engine still exists. I am saying all these because I own both cars and I use them for different reasons whatsoever.

Anyways, the point is speed driving, mods and balls as Kartik mentioned. My opinion is there are places for that. You do not play cricket infront of your PC and type your score on a forum, you need to go out on a field and participate.

Can't help posting here; @Swingarm, your points are valuable lessons, I've learned something real good, not sure, if you'd that intention before posting.

heard of transmissions ever? gearing maybe?? Simple example

RX100 with its specific gearing and an RX135 5 speed with its respective gearing pulls almost the same top speed in spite of a 35cc difference and another extra gear, i.e 105kph..Must be the gods eh?

Its easy to copy paste tech data from automags or the internet. i could do it all day long if it was that rewarding. Sadly, misinterpreting this in day to day life is even easier. That was the precise reason why I asked for a dyno sheet mr MACH Its good to be enthusiastic about posting up but half baked knowledge kills the fun of even making a statement on an online forum.

Cheers

I got it now,Astra is just like my own GS150R bike which cruises at 128kmph top speed for hours together.This bike weighs 149kg,has got a 6th gear and the digital speedo is sensor actuated on the final drive unlike other bikes with speedo and odo in front wheel.

Esteem is more torquey in comparison,but is also accelerates faster..........but since I havent driven an Esteem for hours together at its top speed,I cant confirm whether it is similarly capable like Astra.But I did hit a 165kmph on the speedo twice while driving it.I happened to drive an Esteem which was our family car,till we went in for a 94 bhp GST-super Qualis.
Here I want to go about two points:
Esteem suffers from the similar problem like that of the Shogun,light weight makes it unstable at high speeds.........but due to the power/weight advantage it will accelerate faster.It is good for a quarter mile car when it comes to performance stakes,whereas Astra maybe the comfy high speed cruiser.
Acceleration and dynamic handling is the keyword for the rallies,hence Esteem gets the preference over Astra again.Because no one vouches for constant top speed in the rallies,its not F1.......

Well I am not the car guy,but I can definitely learn some,
are you trying to imply something like tall gearing and short gearing ???
RX135 is much less stressed at its 105kmph,while RX100 is vibrating and screaming away to hell.
And sorry,I am the lazy guy who wont go looking for things in the net over triffles


But please,we cannot go talking cars in a Biking forum,can we ???
We would be soon deemed to be going OTs.......so lets rest it,Conflict is no one's responsibility,Peace is everyone's

dude not an expert in bikes what i feel is those two strokes stopped production years before had they lived to date these 4 stokes would be kids bikes the 2 strokes would have out numbered these 4 stokes

then before you cross my post you should think twice. simple. specially when its not intended to you


just 3 posts ago u were the one quoting esteem and astra specs..why the sudden realization now?


Cheers

Atul H

Aargee,

I never solicit speed driving on public roads specially if you are taking your machine to its limits and sometimes over. You are putting others on substantial risk including yourself. There is a major safety issue as well. You can be a stuntman, you can be into racing, you can pull whatever stuffs you like, but please do so in proper place.

Most importantly, know the limits of your machine before you do anything. Do not get biased on rumors.

And since Atul is posting here, ask him. He is one of the best 2 stroke guys I have known in this forum with substantial knowledge. He can definitely shed some light on what's feasible and what is not.

Bcoz I loved that car and fasted for two days when my Dad sold that off.......very well no more Esteems,my frustrations has no ends.

It will end when I would get my GSX750R,my earnings for the first years of my professional life is gonna be on a bike which does 280kmph,just a message to someone who sold of my favourite car for space and cruise

As a Xbhpian and a brother please understand me,it was for Esteem not for anyone else.

I totally understand mate. Emotional attachment it is. But when emotions prevail over facts, especially on a knowledge forum, it shouldnt be encouraged.

On a lighter note, my fav indian car is the esteem. Anyday. Because its mod friendly. My dream project someday will be a 1.6L esteem tricked out to a 1.8L turbocharged

Regards

Very True & Nodding my head are the two things that I did when I was reading your last post!!!

Your post reminded me of someone worked on TVS 50 to do over 105 Kmph for drag racing. First time, when I read, I thought - WHY? But then it was drag spec & if done an a circuit, it has value. Consider that on streets, my question will be WHY DO IT, when you've RTR/ZMX/R15/FZ that can do the same on the streets. You're bang right on the point. One who realizes this will NEVER race on streets & will start enjoying motorcycling.

Atul, on a more lighter note, why are you not considering a Baleno?

We are now seriously going OT here.

i wholeheartedly agree with basu here. I have a lot of these idiots come up to me for some "friendly drag" crap on public roads. Its not worth it. Neither is ripping around like an idiot in the city. I ride like an uncle and proudly say that coz I value my life. I save the fast stuff for later.Outrunning some idiotic matric fail in the narrow lanes and signals of the city isn't my idea of victory. I'm worth a hell lot more. Simple.
And if people have the capability and the passion, go hit the track or you're more than welcome for speed testing in a controlled environment. But sadly half of these yamaha heroes wimp out when the speedgun comes out of the bag. And the others come up with a 112kph topspeed max for a bike they claim can cross 140kph++

Its as simple as that. Street racing isnt cool. Its retarded

That is exactly I ask the guys who come for petty mods in the garage. They have "seen' somewhere this and that and they want to make their bikes fly. I ask them the same thing 'What's the point?'. Are you participating? If not then why?

And specially when you are a proud owner of a machine that's no longer in production, have a definite shortage of spares, and what people call a legend, you want might want to keep it in good shape rather than abuse it.

Some understand. Some don't.

Well matured thoughts

No one even knows what's going on within the cylinder. All these morons who do street racing should know what's going inside the cylinder & after that I don't think they'll even dare to start their steed!!!

Oh!!! Boy!!! You've spoken my mind. Other day when someone tried falling on my RX, God only knows whom all I verbally abused on his generations. To him, it might sound like a simple side shield, but those morons never realize the pains & sweat goes into the build. Trust me, even I couldn't understand these pains when I got my earlier builds through my mech, I realize (REALIZE) the importance now. Every single kick is done with care, every journey is done cautious, every single exhaust note is recorded & all the more every single ride is enjoyed

i love that car. but its a massive tank and expensive to maintain. I'd rather plonk that engine on an esteem, which btw I have already procured :P The 1.6L SS80 project car couldnt take that big an engine so im just keeping content with a 1.1L. The 1.6L engine is still under my bed, waiting for a project to come along