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  • What is the earliest in the season when one can go i.e., roads open, boarding and lodging available?

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    • Originally posted by dichkaun View Post
      What is the earliest in the season when one can go i.e., roads open, boarding and lodging available?
      There is no single, confirmed answer for this question. Reason being that the period when the Jammu - Leh route opens varies from year to year. Ditto for the Manali - Leh route.

      A thumb rule period would be the second week of May for the Jammu axis and ditto for the Manali axis. One can keep a check on the passes on the Jammu axis and could make it thru' in the first week too BUT and BUT, one would have to 1) return via Srinagar or 2) wait for the Manali side passes to open if one wants to return that way.

      One of the main reasons for the May-Jun-Jul period's popularity is that there is a lot of help available en-route - fellow riders/ carwallas, the GREF and BRO personnel and local people who are out in force due to the tourist traffic. Also, the flora and fauna is at its best around this time e.g. one can see marmots on the Moreh plains only during this period as for the remainder part of the year, they are hibernating, the tulips in Srinagar and so on and so forth.

      Sep would be too dry and lifeless a time. The cold can be tackled but there would be hardly any flowers, ibexes etc.

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      • Originally posted by icemang View Post
        There is no single, confirmed answer for this question...
        Thanks.
        Like yous signature quote

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        2400Km of Solo Spiti Sauntering
        From the rains of Uttarakhand to the deserts of Ladakh

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        • Originally posted by icemang View Post
          I remember when I was commanding the detachment at Pang, the annual winter stocking convoy drivers would be full of stories about riders of all garbs on the road. Then, suddenly, they started feeling lonely at the end of Sep - no colour on the roads, no smiling civilians to help, back to the grind and time to face the winter.
          Thats an interesting perspective to gain. I thought that we were annoying pests for the convoys.
          Have a question for you. Which is better from a breathing point of view for a night stay, Pang or Sarchu ?

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          • Hey icemang.. me too planning for Leh this year....(plan every year but this year seems the best bet!).
            However, since I have cash constraint, wonder how to go about this? Trustvishwas had hinted at around 50k per head, which I don't know if it will be possible, looking at my current paltry income!
            Your dates fit in perfectly really and don't mind joining you in the trip

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            • Originally posted by icemang View Post
              You see, May, June and July are the months which see max riders going there. So, even if you are single, you can mingle. Obstacles of all types are more easily overcome when numbers of riders are present to help.

              Secondly, there is no dearth of accommodation to suit every pocket.

              Aug onwards, the season tapers off and ends around the first week of Oct.

              I remember when I was commanding the detachment at Pang, the annual winter stocking convoy drivers would be full of stories about riders of all garbs on the road. Then, suddenly, they started feeling lonely at the end of Sep - no colour on the roads, no smiling civilians to help, back to the grind and time to face the winter.

              I had hosted 3 scientists from Bangalore in Aug 1996 at Pang. They had been closer to the Almighty than to us that night, I recollect. I had had to fortify them with a few shots of brandy to rejuvenate their spirits. One of my jawans had to monitor them throughout the night for any medical issues; my doctor was worried too. But they pulled thru' the night and the next morning, were fit to ride to Taglang La and Leh. Those were the days...
              Thanks for the Amazing Input. Now let me think twice before leaving on august. The greatest Problem is My leaves. I cannot have take off before august. If it doesn't work Well this year let me try out next year.
              And By the Way are you still serving Indian Army? I mean Are you still on duty or retired?
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              • Originally posted by vivek.n View Post
                Thanks for the Amazing Input. Now let me think twice before leaving on august. The greatest Problem is My leaves. I cannot have take off before august. If it doesn't work Well this year let me try out next year.
                And By the Way are you still serving Indian Army? I mean Are you still on duty or retired?
                Still serving.

                Originally posted by chicmagnet View Post
                Hey icemang.. me too planning for Leh this year....(plan every year but this year seems the best bet!).
                However, since I have cash constraint, wonder how to go about this? Trustvishwas had hinted at around 50k per head, which I don't know if it will be possible, looking at my current paltry income!
                Your dates fit in perfectly really and don't mind joining you in the trip
                People have reported doing it in about 25-28K. I personally think that 50K seems a bit steep.

                Originally posted by Mik View Post
                Thats an interesting perspective to gain. I thought that we were annoying pests for the convoys.
                Have a question for you. Which is better from a breathing point of view for a night stay, Pang or Sarchu ?
                Sarchu, 'cause it is lower in altitude than Pang.

                Originally posted by dichkaun View Post
                Thanks.
                Like yous signature quote

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                • Originally posted by chicmagnet View Post
                  Hey icemang.. me too planning for Leh this year....(plan every year but this year seems the best bet!).
                  However, since I have cash constraint, wonder how to go about this? Trustvishwas had hinted at around 50k per head, which I don't know if it will be possible, looking at my current paltry income!
                  Your dates fit in perfectly really and don't mind joining you in the trip
                  Detailed breakup of estimated expenses has been posted here :-



                  Estimate includes -
                  1.Bike Servicing, new tyres, clutch cable, air filter
                  2.Purchase of cold weather gear like thermals, gloves
                  3.Purchase of saddle/tank bag, memory cards
                  4.Reserve fund

                  The 'During the tour expenses' would be around 28k. If you can borrow items instead of purchasing them, obviously your cost would go down.
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                  • Originally posted by vivek.n View Post
                    Thanks for the Amazing Input. Now let me think twice before leaving on august. The greatest Problem is My leaves. I cannot have take off before august. If it doesn't work Well this year let me try out next year.
                    And By the Way are you still serving Indian Army? I mean Are you still on duty or retired?
                    august end is not that bad there is less traffic , rooms are easily available, rain gods are also at ease and there may be snow at high altitudes. Also it depends i have read few trip logs for august month on other forums .i found it pretty alright. any ways my trips is definite in august mid, or end.i think if there are two or three good riders together month of august can be tested.

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                    • Originally posted by icemang View Post
                      People have reported doing it in about 25-28K. I personally think that 50K seems a bit steep.

                      Wish 25k was possible...that would be possible by: loading bike on train + sleeper class travel both ways which would save up considerable costs!
                      Though I really want to ride up all the way!

                      Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                      Detailed breakup of estimated expenses has been posted here :-



                      Estimate includes -
                      1.Bike Servicing, new tyres, clutch cable, air filter
                      2.Purchase of cold weather gear like thermals, gloves
                      3.Purchase of saddle/tank bag, memory cards
                      4.Reserve fund

                      The 'During the tour expenses' would be around 28k. If you can borrow items instead of purchasing them, obviously your cost would go down.
                      Thanks for the break-up . Now this helps. Do have all the riding gear, camera gear and luggage so that should help in reducing costs further .

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                      • Originally posted by chicmagnet View Post
                        Wish 25k was possible...that would be possible by: loading bike on train + sleeper class travel both ways which would save up considerable costs!
                        Though I really want to ride up all the way!



                        Thanks for the break-up . Now this helps. Do have all the riding gear, camera gear and luggage so that should help in reducing costs further .
                        Riding up all the way is going to take you to a point of exhaustion precisely when you need to be the most energetic - the start of the climb after Jammu.

                        Add to that the vast difference in temperatures between the plains and mountains. I'll tell you my experience with that later - it is NOT FUNNY AT ALL. So, within 48 hours, your system shifts from shedding water for perspiration (to keep you cool at 40 degrees plus) to conserving water due to low temperatures. Plays tricks on the system which are best avoided.

                        Pune to Jammu is 2007 kms (G Maps). Say your bike does about 40 kms/litre, you will burn approx 50 lits of fuel costing about Rs 4000 even before the strip proper starts. III AC + bike on train, both ways should be lesser than that. Even if it is a bit more than 4K, think about the a)comfort for bike and rider, and b) the time saved.
                        Last edited by icemang; 02-07-2012, 09:14 AM.

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                        • Need some advice!

                          Good to see so many souls wanting to get Leh'd this yr I am one such eager soul who had this dream last year, but had to postpone the trip as I thought I'd experiment by going to a different place in 2011 and keep the Leh trip for this year. The objective was to understand all the nuances of a long trip. I did go on a loooooooong trip (around 2500kms in a span of 15 days) to the North-East and Bhutan in the month of October, 2011. As is obvious it was a wonderful learning experience and I think I am ready for the mighty Himalayan terrain this yr. Though I have gained some knowledge/experience on the do's and dont's of such trips, there are still few questions/issues for which I'd need answers for.

                          1. Temperature and Engine Console safety:

                          Is it safe do this trip on a sports bike (Pulsar 180-mine) with a carburetor engine??


                          I never had any problem with my bike throughout the Bhutan trip. However, I read somewhere that extreme temperature fluctuations/Water crossings might affect a carburetor console as it takes in air from the outside. Chances are that the bike's ignition might seize in low temperatures and the bike wouldn't start. My bike only has a self start and with so much luggage we'd be carrying on our rear during such trips "clutch starting" will also be all the more difficult. Now is this a real concern?? Is there any modifications that one can do to avoid such problem??

                          Wanted to know this early as if this is a real concern, I'd definitely not mind getting a new Fuel Injected-sealed console. (I was also a little eager to know which would be the best bike to do the Leh trip??)

                          2. Ride Comfort
                          • The second biggest concern during my previous trip was the ride comfort. Almost around 80% of the 2500kms was in the hilly terrain, and in no/not so good roads. I did not have any trouble for the first 4-5 days after which it became really uncomfortable. I picked up this weird pain in my right ear which I felt only when I rode the bike and the pain would vanish the moment I stopped. Thinking that the pain was because of my helmet I tried various ways like stuffing tissues inside but it never stopped. As days passed by the pain slowly shifted till my spine and at the end of 15 days I felt it throughout my back and also in both my ears. Now is this normal or is this because of the bike?? Would I have felt any better if I had ridden a bike with an upright seating posture??
                          • The other issue I faced was with the balance of the bike. I had the IRC tubeless tyres that comes with the bike. The tire's offered very little grip and skidded whenever there was a puddle of water or even gravels of small stones and pebbles. I suffered when I fell badly in the middle of the trip and almost broke my knee (rode with a broken leg for around 1200kms which was really agonizing ). Much to be blamed was my stupidity of not wearing any knee protection but the fall inevitable and it was mainly because of the bike's balance. Now that the Leh terrain is very harsh and with such rash road conditions can someone suggest what is the best way to go abt this??
                          Last edited by the nightfox; 02-09-2012, 12:31 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by the nightfox View Post
                            Good to see so many souls wanting to get Leh'd this yr I am one such eager soul who had this dream last year, but had to postpone the trip last yr as I thought I'd experiment by going to a different place in 2011 and keep the Leh trip for this year. The objective was to understand all the nuances of a long trip. I did go on a looong trip (around 2500kms in a span of 15 days) to the North-East and Bhutan in the month of October, 2011. As is obvious it was a wonderful learning experience and I think I am ready for the mighty Himalayan terrain this yr. Though I have gained some knowledge on the do's and dont's of such trips, there are still few questions for which I'd need answers for.Following are the reasons why this question is bugging me so much:

                            1. Temperature and Engine Console safety:

                            Is it safe do this trip on a sports bike (Pulsar 180-mine) with a carburetor engine??

                            I never had any problem with my bike throughout the Bhutan trip. However, I read somewhere that extreme temperature fluctuations/Water crossings might affect a carburetor console as it takes in air from the outside. Chances are that the bike's ignition might seize in low temperatures and the bike wouldn't start. My bike only has a self start and with so much luggage that we'd be carrying on our rear during such trips "clutch starting" will be all the more difficult. Now is this a real concern?? Is there any modifications that one can do to avoid such problem??

                            Wanted an answer quickly as if this is a real concern, I'd definitely not mind selling this one off and go for a new Fuel Injected-sealed console. (In that case, I also want to know which would be the best bike to do the Leh trip??)

                            2. Ride Comfort
                            • The second biggest concern during my previous trip was the ride comfort. Almost around 80% of the 2500kms was in the hilly terrain, and in not so good roads. I did not have any trouble for the first 4-5 days after which it became really uncomfortable. I picked up this weird pain in my right ear which I felt only when I rode the bike and the pain would vanish the moment I stopped. Thinking that the pain was because of my helmet I tried various ways like stuffing tissues inside but it never worked. As days passed by the pain slowly shifted to my spine and at the end of 15 days I felt it throughout my back and also in my ears. Now is this normal or is because of the bike?? Will I feel any better if I had ridden a bike with an upright seating posture??
                            • The other issue I faced was with the balance of the bike. I had the IRC tubeless tyres that comes with the bike. The tire's offered very little grip and skidded whenever there was a puddle of water or even gravels of small stones and pebbles. I suffered when I fell badly in the middle of the trip and almost broke my knee, rode with a broken leg for around 1200kms which was really agonizing Much to be blamed was my stupidity of not wearing any knee protection but the fall was mainly because of the bike's balance. Now that the Leh terrain is very harsh and with such rash road conditions can someone suggest what is the best way to go abt this??
                            PS: My apologies if this post is a little out of sorts to the current discussion. I haven't gone thru the other posts in this thread for the lack of time.
                            hi your ear pain is because of your helmet if it not of good quality or size of your head back pain is because not porper seat you can use some extra seat under you and always use full gear on ride you never know what gone happend next shreet is fill with full of idiots
                            *R.E. is best for leh trip but can also use bike with mono shocks it will give you more comfrot on off road like yamaha fz,honda unicorn
                            born to ride

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                            • For nightfox

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                              About your ear ache. Some reasons are

                              ----- A poorly fitted helmet which presses on the ear itself rather than enveloping it in the small recess provided AND/OR

                              ------ An issue in your cervical vertebra - could be the initial stages of spondilytis, needs to be checked to be sure AND/OR

                              ------ Your rear suspension is set too hard and that is causing shocks to your neck vertebra leading to the pain esp since you mentioned that the pain spread to your shoulder and back.
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                              To get back on topic, your P-180 will have no problems. Read up a little on carbs and EFIs and you will realise that both systems intake air from outside; it is the way the fuel and air is treated that is the difference. You will need to lean the mixture at higher altitudes, that's all. No hassle. You will have to acquire significantly more knowledge on bikes to make your journey as potentially trouble-free as possible - mechanics are not available everywhere so DIY is the slogan.

                              The Pulsar series has among the best tyres in India. Sorry to say so, but it seems that your riding style needs to be changed. You need to read the road better and accordingly adapt yourself to changing circumstances - rain, snow, mud, water etc.

                              Visit yogeshsarkar.com and write to this chap. He has done Leh not once, not twice but THREE times on his P-180.
                              Last edited by icemang; 02-09-2012, 10:19 AM.

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                              • Need some advice!

                                @aatifs:
                                Thanks for that tip mate. I'll surely get one new for this trip (any online store u know of??).

                                @Icemang: Thanks for the prompt response sir. I will definitely look into my riding posture and learn some mechanics too. One more issue I forgot to mention abt the tyre was that when on my previous trip, I had to ride in this terrible stretch of around 20-30kms full of huge rocks and stones. At one point my front tyre skidded and a medium sized rock hit my alloy rim with a big bang. I stopped to see if it has done any damage but nothing was visible. I carried on and on that evening I found out that the air pressure of the front wheel had gone down drastically. I checked for any puncture but nothing was visible. I then spotted the air leak (using some soap solution) near the juncture between the tyre and the rim. To make things worse there was one more similar leak on the other side. I could not think of a solution for this and hence had to fill up air then and there for the rest of the trip which again was a little troublesome. I did not want to ride with low pressure tyre's as it's not safe, plus the FE would drop drastically.

                                Now how can one handle this type of situation?
                                The local mechanic now has changed the tyre into a tubed one. That has taken care of the problem but my question is whether or not, tubed tyres are better option for such rides?

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