Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[princesirohi]

Hey friends, from last few months i am using my HID with modified DC setup, pretty comfortably, now i have a few problems---

1) from last one month dipper is giving problems, high beam runs perfectly flawless, but dipper is not working properly, the light flickers and fluctuate while on dipper and sometimes shuts off completely, sumtimes glows with reduced intensity. is there a loose connection somewhere, if yes where?

2) as most of you know i have installed 3 additional switches, i want to discuss what will happen in rainy season. water entry in these switches will create problem or not? how does the standard handlebar switches work in rain.

help guys.

[Shreeni0403]

Sajit,

Find the attached pics and let me know what can be done.

Last pic is the charger (bomb charger, as I was referring to in my earlier post)

Regards,

Rahul K

Ahem !! That is not a typical Honda coil. Probably its different bcz its meant for all AC power. Can you provide wiring diagram as well

What type of RR does RTR have ? single phase or 3 . how to tell ? also whats the small black thing in pic 2 [it has one two connections] . also the Current coming from coil gets split into two connectors in Pic 4 , is this for headlight and RR ?

RTR has 100w coil
RTR wire diag. Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC. - Page 10 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

Guess this is similar to Pulsar coil, not sure enough.!! Sajit come yar, where are you hiding

Hey friends, from last few months i am using my HID with modified DC setup, pretty comfortably, now i have a few problems---

1) from last one month dipper is giving problems, high beam runs perfectly flawless, but dipper is not working properly, the light flickers and fluctuate while on dipper and sometimes shuts off completely, sumtimes glows with reduced intensity. is there a loose connection somewhere, if yes where?
2) as most of you know i have installed 3 additional switches, i want to discuss what will happen in rainy season. water entry in these switches will create problem or not? how does the standard handlebar switches work in rain.

1) Check the relay, ballast wiring and also your additional switches.!! Lose connection can be there anywhere .

2) Han !! You gotta use heavy duty switches. Not the ones that you get for 10-15rs. Even after using Minda's (75rs) switch i ve changed mine 2 times. Plastic wrapping during rainy season is better bet.

[princesirohi]

1) Check the relay, ballast wiring and also your additional switches.!! Lose connection can be there anywhere .

2) Han !! You gotta use heavy duty switches. Not the ones that you get for 10-15rs. Even after using Minda's (75rs) switch i ve changed mine 2 times. Plastic wrapping during rainy season is better bet.[/QUOTE]

my question is how does the standard handle switches that come on bike factory fitted work in rain?

[rahulya007]

Wiring diagram..

Shreeni,

By wiring diagram, do you mean the schematic diagram from the manual or something ?

When you say it is meant for all AC power, can't it be converted to full DC ?

Regards,

Rahul K

[sajjt]

Shreeni,

By wiring diagram, do you mean the schematic diagram from the manual or something ?

When you say it is meant for all AC power, can't it be converted to full DC ?

Regards,

Rahul K

Schematic diagram will be available from the service center upon special request.

Ahem !! That is not a typical Honda coil. Probably its different bcz its meant for all AC power. Can you provide wiring diagram as well

Guess this is similar to Pulsar coil, not sure enough.!! Sajit come yar, where are you hiding


1) Check the relay, ballast wiring and also your additional switches.!! Lose connection can be there anywhere .

2) Han !! You gotta use heavy duty switches. Not the ones that you get for 10-15rs. Even after using Minda's (75rs) switch i ve changed mine 2 times. Plastic wrapping during rainy season is better bet.

Man its a Honda affair, so let the Honda techies answer first, then I'll post mine. Stator pics conveys nothing to me, may be a diag will explain more. TIme is hard pressed nowadays.

What type of RR does RTR have ? single phase or 3 . how to tell ? also whats the small black thing in pic 2 [it has one two connections] . also the Current coming from coil gets split into two connectors in Pic 4 , is this for headlight and RR ?

RTR has 100w coil
RTR wire diag. Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC. - Page 10 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

Its a single phase coil, feeding through 2 yellow wires. Black one is not visible as u've taken the pic from bottom take from another angle and post. Is it coming from the pulsar coil?

[kauria]

What type of RR does RTR have ? single phase or 3 . how to tell ? also whats the small black thing in pic 2 [it has one two connections] . also the Current coming from coil gets split into two connectors in Pic 4 , is this for headlight and RR ?

RTR has 100w coil
RTR wire diag. Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC. - Page 10 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

RTR has a half wave RR unit.

In the second pic which you hold, is a turn indicator flasher.

Yes in RTR there is two part in the magneto, one for charging the battery and the other for headlight or say light coil. You found two part in the RR unit too, there are two red wire going to RR is for battery charging and two yellow & one black wire in separate white connector is for headlight, actually one yellow wire carry the raw AC from magneto to regulator unit (inbuilt in RR unit) and the second yellow wire carry the regulated current to headlight.

RTR comes with a TCI system, which directly feed form battery, if you see the TCi connection an orange wire goes into it, which carry the battery power to TCi.


Now converting RTR into DC is very simple, you can split the middle yellow wire of the white connector and directly connect it to battery, your headlight will glow using DC, but when you will ride you will fill knocking due to shortage of battery power to TCi, as the headlight consumes more current, and TCi needs extra current when you speed up, so the knocking. I am still trying to solve the issue. Putting a capacitor in between the orange wire of the TCi will do good for sure, as it will store current for some time, and make the current flow steady to TCi. Another thing is you can switch to an Amaron 9ah battery which is better then our OEM battery. Currently I am out of fund, could not invest on a new battery.

Try it yourself and let us know.

[kauria]

[QUOTE=sajjt;391351]Schematic diagram will be available from the service center upon special request.



Man its a Honda affair, so let the Honda techies answer first, then I'll post mine. Stator pics conveys nothing to me, may be a diag will explain more. TIme is hard pressed nowadays.




Its a single phase coil, feeding through 2 yellow wires. Black one is not visible as u've taken the pic from bottom take from another angle and post. Is it coming from the pulsar coil?[/QUOTE]

No in RTR pulsar coil output directly goes to TCi, the black wire is for earthing.

[gajah_gendut]

Hey friends, from last few months i am using my HID with modified DC setup, pretty comfortably, now i have a few problems---

1) from last one month dipper is giving problems, high beam runs perfectly flawless, but dipper is not working properly, the light flickers and fluctuate while on dipper and sometimes shuts off completely, sumtimes glows with reduced intensity. is there a loose connection somewhere, if yes where?

2) as most of you know i have installed 3 additional switches, i want to discuss what will happen in rainy season. water entry in these switches will create problem or not? how does the standard handlebar switches work in rain.

help guys.

i agree with you. there must be a loosing wire.
i think you should check connection among switch, ballast and relay.
usually i take (+) from battery and (-) from bike's frame using 12AWG wire.
make perfect joint wire using wire terminal and socket. or at least joint wires using solder and heatshrink.

poor wire joints and poor grounding make HID flicker.



i found some bikes from yamaha in my country (jupiter Z, jupiter MX, yamaha mio, mio soul) have 3 wires output from stator coil. 1 charging, 1 lighting and 1 ground. just disconnect lighting wire, and use 2 wires (charging and ground) as input full wave RR. it's very easy, no need to open magnet cover at all.

[gajah_gendut]

just finished removing bajaj pulsar 200's BCU. replace pulsar's switch holder with honda tiger's. reroute honda wiring to pulsars. worked perfectly.

bye bcu.

[sajjt]

just finished removing bajaj pulsar 200's BCU. replace pulsar's switch holder with honda tiger's. reroute honda wiring to pulsars. worked perfectly.

bye bcu.

Can u elaborate the procedures? Whats that switch holder u meant to say? And whats the benefit after swapping it?

[abhijeet080808]

Can u elaborate the procedures? Whats that switch holder u meant to say? And whats the benefit after swapping it?

I guess he replaced the contact-less switchgear with normal ones from some other bike.

[mehsn]

Yesterday evening went to the mech. seen him doing a HID installation
for a cbz-x. he was doing the bike DC, changing to 9Ah battery and
install the HID. he was also saying about some rectifier to charge the
batt. i heard that 9Ah battery can sustain the HID's power consumption
and dont really go flat that soon. btw, i asked how much will it cost
to change my headlight's setting to DC, he said 400 Taka. so bought a
55/60W japan made h4 bulb for 150Taka (and installed it (the mech didnt
know if 55/60W will lit) all he did was, remove the front face and took
out one yellow colored wire, cut it and attached to another wire. i
guess he connected the wire to the pass light's wire but however my
backlight, headlight all are powered from battery directly. theres no
flickering of the lighting at all. i have tested the setting with
headlight on+turn indicator on+dual horn being pressed. stll all
working good. no flactuate nothing. now waiting to see how long the
battery can hold.

[gajah_gendut]

Can u elaborate the procedures? Whats that switch holder u meant to say? And whats the benefit after swapping it?

I guess he replaced the contact-less switchgear with normal ones from some other bike.

yes. that's right

i mean like this pic



my friend came to me with his pulsar's problems.
his headlight wouldn't turn off once switched on. two filaments turned on (both hi-lo). i thought that was BCU problems. because when replaced with other pulsar switch, the problems still appeared.

so suggested him to buy new BCU or removed his BCU completely and replace contactless switch with honda's.

the cost of BCU twice higher than honda switch. so, he decided to buy honda's switch.

i reroute honda's switch to pulsar stock wiring harness with some minor mods. then worked perfectly.

some benefits replacing pulsar bcu and switches with honda's :
- easier to buy then pulsars
- cheapers (almost half cost)
- completely full DC (except CDI), can start engine with headlight on or off. with BCU, you can't start engine when lights on.

[princesirohi]

i agree with you. there must be a loosing wire.
i think you should check connection among switch, ballast and relay.
usually i take (+) from battery and (-) from bike's frame using 12AWG wire.
make perfect joint wire using wire terminal and socket. or at least joint wires using solder and heatshrink.

poor wire joints and poor grounding make HID flicker.



i found some bikes from yamaha in my country (jupiter Z, jupiter MX, yamaha mio, mio soul) have 3 wires output from stator coil. 1 charging, 1 lighting and 1 ground. just disconnect lighting wire, and use 2 wires (charging and ground) as input full wave RR. it's very easy, no need to open magnet cover at all.

guys yeaterday i sorted my problem of HID low beam flickering. it was a loose ground connection, but i still wonder how high beam was functioning properly.

[princesirohi]

the problem surfaced again.