Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[SID_BHP]

yes it is possible for stock loads you should just unground wire from the coil and if you will give more load than the stock than you should rewind the coil..

Sorry i Didn't get it.can you tell me the exact procedure to do it.
and it is any necessory to install Ape RR???

I want to do this specially to install HID in my bike and i am fed up of flickering headlight.

Thanx

[rprathin]

Sorry i Didn't get it.can you tell me the exact procedure to do it.
and it is any necessory to install Ape RR???

I want to do this specially to install HID in my bike and i am fed up of flickering headlight.

Thanx

ok i will tell you the procedure one by one
first thing
open the left side engine cover so that you can take out stator coil and then upload the image of stator coil after that i will tell you further what to do...
i think the stator coil will look like (image below) this because your hh glamour is kick start this stator coil is of hh splendor kick start....or it may be a 6 pole stator please upload the image of the stator coil of your hh glamour

[sunilyo]

Hi,

Can anybody advise where in Delhi can i get my CBZ* coil rewinded? I'm no expert in this so would like to go through a pro.

I have many plans in terms of upgrading my bike. Here are the details in terms of battery and electricals:

a. 2004 model
b. kick start
c. currently it has a 2.5 Ah battery - would like to upgrade this to a higher capacity like 7 Ah (if it is required for my needs below).
d. horns squeek - so want to upgrade them to better (decent) ones
e. headlight is making my eye sight weaker - so want to go for a better lighting system, preferreably an HID setup.

As far as i have read till now.

a. i need to rewind the coil - from where can i do this in Delhi?
b. get an APE RR OEM
c. for the HID and horns setup i was thinking of going to MXSMotoSport in Delhi - will these guys also help me with the rewinding?

I checked with them regarding the need to rewind the coil for HID setup and this what they had to say

"the Headlight will be fitted with Electronic DFM Projector, Angel Eye, HID Latest model with high & low beam which will not need any adjustments and will not affect battery output and also with the Smoke Black Reflectors. "

Please advise.

[rprathin]

Hi,

Can anybody advise where in Delhi can i get my CBZ* coil rewinded? I'm no expert in this so would like to go through a pro.

I have many plans in terms of upgrading my bike. Here are the details in terms of battery and electricals:

a. 2004 model
b. kick start
c. currently it has a 2.5 Ah battery - would like to upgrade this to a higher capacity like 7 Ah (if it is required for my needs below).
d. horns squeek - so want to upgrade them to better (decent) ones
e. headlight is making my eye sight weaker - so want to go for a better lighting system, preferreably an HID setup.

As far as i have read till now.

a. i need to rewind the coil - from where can i do this in Delhi?
b. get an APE RR OEM
c. for the HID and horns setup i was thinking of going to MXSMotoSport in Delhi - will these guys also help me with the rewinding?

I checked with them regarding the need to rewind the coil for HID setup and this what they had to say

"the Headlight will be fitted with Electronic DFM Projector, Angel Eye, HID Latest model with high & low beam which will not need any adjustments and will not affect battery output and also with the Smoke Black Reflectors. "

Please advise.

a. you should go to the electrical shop or a place where fan, motor coil rewinding is done they can help you either by telling where the coil is rewinded for bike or by doing the rewinding. If you are not able to find then you can do it yourself also..

b. Yes you should get the ape rr or if your load is not more than 5 amps than Pulsar ug4 rr will be enough...

c. sorry no idea for these as i don't live in Delhi..

coil rewinding is necessary as output from stock rr will not able to satisfy the load of 35 watt hid and other electrical load and you should get a 5 amps battery which enough for a single 35watt hid..

[sunilyo]

a. you should go to the electrical shop or a place where fan, motor coil rewinding is done they can help you either by telling where the coil is rewinded for bike or by doing the rewinding. If you are not able to find then you can do it yourself also..

b. Yes you should get the ape rr or if your load is not more than 5 amps than Pulsar ug4 rr will be enough...

c. sorry no idea for these as i don't live in Delhi..

coil rewinding is necessary as output from stock rr will not able to satisfy the load of 35 watt hid and other electrical load and you should get a 5 amps battery which enough for a single 35watt hid..

Thank you rprathin for your reply.

I am a total dumbo when it comes to electicals . I am not 100% confident in doing the rewinding myself , but will follow your suggestion and find out locally.

So a 35W HID setup will suffice right for normal night riding conditions?

[rprathin]

Thank you rprathin for your reply.

I am a total dumbo when it comes to electicals . I am not 100% confident in doing the rewinding myself , but will follow your suggestion and find out locally.

So a 35W HID setup will suffice right for normal night riding conditions?

35watt hid will give best output when used with the projectors. Else 35watt hid without projector will also give better light (use 4200k or 6000k hid bulb)...

[Deepak Karanth]

Hey Guys,

Posting after long time.

Due to some winding problems I had to revert back for the Avenger stator coil.

Got my hands on the Ape RR this weekend from spares outlet in Lalbagh Road
for Rs.1110/-(Mfg. Date - Apr 2012) and installed the same on my UG3 150 Dtsi.

Now before I put up the readings, I've now learnt why the seniors on our
forum (and myself) are insisting on the Ape RR again and again.
The stock Avenger Stator produces max 12.5 amps.
Yes, you read it right. Couldn't stop smiling while checking the readings.

The readings where as follows:
RPM--Amps
1K----4.01
2K----6.25
3K----8.02
4K----9.60
5K----11.05
6K----11.85
7K----12.31

There is no major bump after this and tops out at 12.5-12.6amps.

On the other hand I've rewinded the old coil with 19G wire on all the 7poles yesterday.
Cant wait to plonk the rewinded coil and check the readings. Waiting for the varnish to dry out completely.

[sunilyo]

35watt hid will give best output when used with the projectors. Else 35watt hid without projector will also give better light (use 4200k or 6000k hid bulb)...

Hi rprathin,

one doubt since the stock lamp is of 35W then can i use the 35W HID without making any changes to the current electrical setup? or is it inevitable.

[rprathin]

Hi rprathin,

one doubt since the stock lamp is of 35W then can i use the 35W HID without making any changes to the current electrical setup? or is it inevitable.

if your stock connections is full DC then no problem but if it is AC then you had to reroute it through battery... As hid will only glow on dc current..
don't run hid through ac current..

[rprathin]

Hey Guys,

Posting after long time.

Due to some winding problems I had to revert back for the Avenger stator coil.

Got my hands on the Ape RR this weekend from spares outlet in Lalbagh Road
for Rs.1110/-(Mfg. Date - Apr 2012) and installed the same on my UG3 150 Dtsi.

Now before I put up the readings, I've now learnt why the seniors on our
forum (and myself) are insisting on the Ape RR again and again.
The stock Avenger Stator produces max 12.5 amps.
Yes, you read it right. Couldn't stop smiling while checking the readings.

The readings where as follows:
RPM--Amps
1K----4.01
2K----6.25
3K----8.02
4K----9.60
5K----11.05
6K----11.85
7K----12.31

There is no major bump after this and tops out at 12.5-12.6amps.

On the other hand I've rewinded the old coil with 19G wire on all the 7poles yesterday.
Cant wait to plonk the rewinded coil and check the readings. Waiting for the varnish to dry out completely.

hey Deepak,
do you had rewinded 19g wire on avengers coil

[rajaselvam_1987]

35watt hid will give best output when used with the projectors. Else 35watt hid without projector will also give better light (use 4200k or 6000k hid bulb)...

i'm using 35W HID in reflector it's gives output almost equal to 100W halogen.. but lot of light wastage is there as a glare so if we use this on projector then we can reduce wastage & get more light on Road

Hi rprathin,

one doubt since the stock lamp is of 35W then can i use the 35W HID without making any changes to the current electrical setup? or is it inevitable.

Even if your bike is full DC you have to get power directly from the battery to HID, bcz your stock wires are not able to withstand at high current where HID consume..And also if you see the HID wiring, the Headlight switch only activate the SPST relay & relay is get the power directly from battery to switch on the HID Check the links

http://faqlight.shopower.com/hid-harness-single-filament-bi-xenon.gif

http://robbstop.com/backyard/images/SPDTHIDwiringdiagrams.gif

Hey Guys,

Posting after long time.

Due to some winding problems I had to revert back for the Avenger stator coil.

Got my hands on the Ape RR this weekend from spares outlet in Lalbagh Road
for Rs.1110/-(Mfg. Date - Apr 2012) and installed the same on my UG3 150 Dtsi.

Now before I put up the readings, I've now learnt why the seniors on our
forum (and myself) are insisting on the Ape RR again and again.
The stock Avenger Stator produces max 12.5 amps.
Yes, you read it right. Couldn't stop smiling while checking the readings.

The readings where as follows:
RPM--Amps
1K----4.01
2K----6.25
3K----8.02
4K----9.60
5K----11.05
6K----11.85
7K----12.31

There is no major bump after this and tops out at 12.5-12.6amps.

On the other hand I've rewinded the old coil with 19G wire on all the 7poles yesterday.
Cant wait to plonk the rewinded coil and check the readings. Waiting for the varnish to dry out completely.

Why dint you used the varnished copper wire..Any reason..

My bike is having 12 pole if i UN-ground the coil & connect it directly to the Ape RR what is the output can Ape RR give,

Else if i go with 19G or 17G rewinding + Ape RR what may be my output...

Presently i'm getting max of 7amps in my Stock+extra rectifier condition.
But my requirement is 9amps when i use horn

Hi,
I checked with them regarding the need to rewind the coil for HID setup and this what they had to say

"the Headlight will be fitted with Electronic DFM Projector, Angel Eye, HID Latest model with high & low beam which will not need any adjustments and will not affect battery output and also with the Smoke Black Reflectors. "

Please advise.

They dint mention about rewinding, but all the shop guys are saying the same thing HID ll not drain battery, for selling the products they saying like this..Here in chennai also the same story.Even if we use a branded HID kit the battery drain ll be there.. So the extra input to the battery is compulsory...

[rajaselvam_1987]

Why dint you used the varnished copper wire..Any reason..

My bike is having 12 pole if i UN-ground the coil & connect it directly to the Ape RR what is the output can Ape RR give,

Else if i go with 19G or 17G rewinding + Ape RR what may be my output...

Presently i'm getting max of 7amps in my Stock+extra rectifier condition.
But my requirement is 9amps when i use horn

[Deepak Karanth]

Why dint you used the varnished copper wire..Any reason..

My bike is having 12 pole if i UN-ground the coil & connect it directly to the Ape RR what is the output can Ape RR give,

Else if i go with 19G or 17G rewinding + Ape RR what may be my output...

Presently i'm getting max of 7amps in my Stock+extra rectifier condition.
But my requirement is 9amps when i use horn

Hi Raja,

I,ve used the coated copper wire itself, but I was talking about the varnish
which sits as a epoxy coat on all the poles. This is done after rewinding to
cover the poles. You will notice small pieces of these coming off from the
wire when are unwinding your stock stator.

Coming to the rewinding of your coil, its better if you check the output of
your stock coil with the Ape RR and then decide whether to rewind or not.
Considering the no.of poles you have mentioned, I guess you can take out
5Amps at idling i.e., 1K Rpm with Ape RR. Route all the charging wires to the
Ape RR i.e., the wires going to stock RR plus the wire going to custom RR
and get ready to see some magic.

Now the Ape RR. Being the latest owner of the same, I can assure of the
quality, protection and the output of this RR. My stock Avenger coil is
pumping out 4Amps at idling and increases like hell as mentioned earlier.
The max output of this RR is rated at around 20-25 Amps I guess. Thus
there may not be any glitches in the output upto 20 Amps.

Horns use much of power only when honked continously (like a train),
but if you are getting 5amps at 1K then once you start revving and reach 4K,
you will be charging the battery with enough juice for all your needs.

Now, most important of all, The Battery. I hope you are using a 9Amps battery.
No matter how much your coil generates, your battery should have enough
capacity to store what is being generated. You wont get desired output with
7Amps battery, even if it gets charged at around 10Amps from your Stator.
Even I'm planning to add a battery with 5amps rating in parallel with my
9amps battery. You may ask Why? Well the answer is I'm using Philips Rallye
100/90w bulb, couple it with the famous Pulsar horns and my battery is on me.

[sunilyo]

Can someone just post a video or a video link on how to convert to a Full DC setup? As this will be very helpful to many people who have no clue of rewinding and other connections.

[rprathin]

i'm using 35W HID in reflector it's gives output almost equal to 100W halogen.. but lot of light wastage is there as a glare so if we use this on projector then we can reduce wastage & get more light on Road

that what i said projector is the best ....

Even if your bike is full DC you have to get power directly from the battery to HID, bcz your stock wires are not able to withstand at high current where HID consume..And also if you see the HID wiring, the Headlight switch only activate the SPST relay & relay is get the power directly from battery to switch on the HID Check the links

http://faqlight.shopower.com/hid-harness-single-filament-bi-xenon.gif

http://robbstop.com/backyard/images/SPDTHIDwiringdiagrams.gif

a hid consumes 4.2 after warm up so stock wire is enough for that punny 35watt hid although there is also the relay in wiring harness which connects the hid directly giving power from the battery so no load on the stock switches & stock wires.....