This doesn't make a product Crap !! ANd if ASC is not good then he has to seek for some better ASC. Nevertheless before buying a product people has to enquire on ASC too. And really we can't do any thing over ASC, becuase this ASC owners just want to make big bucks and anything else!!

I think there are too many CRAPs in your post than you actually see in your bike .

Ofcourse no

Damn right

And you thought it helps? Ah!!! C'mon Somen, you know how things work in this country. And if we were to do this, do you think we'd land up buying any product at all

The other day I was speaking to one gentleman & was talking about how good the ASC's were at Bangalore than Chennai to which he said something that got me to think from ASC's POV.

1. This gentleman gets a call from a guy around 11:45 PM; obviously this customer is so frustrated with his Activa that he gives "crap" in the middle of the night about the product saying it spits smokes, no FE & how pathetic the product is; our man listens, then promptly pulls out the service history of the scooter & finds that the customer has done only ONE service, that was 1st free service in the last 7 years. All along, he was servicing his scooter at a near by convenient, "mechanic friend" workshop (who might've lured him for lesser service cost every time, but with frequent visits)

2. Most people in Chennai, bother to visit ASC ONLY WHEN it rains (you should understand that it hardly rains in Chennai) whereas, in a city like Bangalore, people pay much attention to get their vehicle serviced at ASC COMPARED to Chennai. In this case, who's to be blamed?

Agreed in the above cases that few rotten apples doesn't call the entire basket to be thrown, but the point I'm trying to make is, the relationship between ASC & customers has to be mutual in positive terms, instead, we as customers always think ASC rips us off & ASC always thinks customers are always complaining. This is how things work in this country...quite unfortunate.

I can bet 70% people would be getting their bike serviced from local mechs rather than SVC. Mine free service was over in first year itself and i am still hiping between 2 SVC for my bike, even a chain cleaning i get it done from SVC only, because once i start visiting and get lure with low price then surely rest all would start from that local mech. It's true that SVC charge this and that, but at the end we have a schedule to service again , in local mech it's like unless bike don't smoke black or some issues with clutch plate we won't go to them.

IMHO, it's a myth; once ASC finds out that you're a regular, most ASC don't want to leave you (otherwise, one has to show that they're annoyed with all silly things for being loyal). Basically the TRUST has to be established, until then, yes, sadly ASC charges you even for changing a screw!!!

Sadly, I couldn't build enough amount of trust in my 15 months of stay in Chennai.... HMC Adyar has some problems me thinks now... Heard some complaints about them off late.
I fired 2 complaints to HMC, after which they called me and inspected my bike. But returned it back saying there are no issues.
By the way, they broke my clutch lever once, screwed up the fairing bolts by over tightening, removed but forgot to replace a few bolts at places followed by the usual crap service they normally provide....
My free services cost me 300 and paid ones 700 max...
Bangalore is an entirely different story though

Don't know what to say; I think most things works out of patience, lot of patience, even more patience & most importantly knowing where, what & how to react or respond. This can't be taught even in real life, forget alone the forums

So you know where the issues lies

Never ever do this!!! This is not America or the motorcycle market is unlike car market where things are taken a little serious once you complain

As explained above in my previous post; that explains all

Excuse me, please tell me what i am seeing is correct or not..the thread reads " Duke or CBR 250R" . Bad vision .

I will suggest you for CBR250r. It has better torque for city rides and it can cruse in Highways with lower RPM as compared to duke. In case you would have mentioned that you will ride your bike in heavy or medium traffic and 70% of city ride then I would have suggested you Duke200.

Do you guys still think I just blamed Honda without any reason? If that had been the case, I would not have gone for CBR 250r straight without waiting for its reviews on the board. I trusted Honda in first place and even I wonder how it flunked to ensure quality in this 250cc segment.

Okay, I am uttering my share of experiences with this machine so far. It started with the chain rust and with some homework and fights, HMSI did replace it with a new one. Accolades to the same. The wobbling was soon to follow it and an engineer from Kolkata named Sudipta specially took off to attend my bike's woes. Even I took one day off from work too. But to the dismay side, he could not rectify it and I had to get the problem fixed later in the hands of my R15's mechanic at a Yamaha service center. But recently, this bike has completely irritated me with its so called quality. The speedometer's LED display is not working one side. I have sent the pics to HMSI anyways. And the most shocking part was coming off of drive chain guide while I was already touring a distant place. When the chain guide came off, I was just on my way back to work and it was around 8 am. I was left with no option but to continue riding without the guide. Riding without a guide might let the drive chain come off sprockets. I later found this info online. Now, my chain is damaged and making some rubbing noise. New chain has been ordered as an official from Honda was present in the SVC during my complaint booking. Moreover, the bike feels really out of place if some off-roading is done. It feels loosened from front and back as well. Do you guys still think I was just making chaos over here?

Yes, I do like two things about this 250cc from Honda. Its engine and ABS. But many things matter for a good running of a bike. What you gonna do with the engine and abs if a wheel or drive chain is outwitting you. What if the racer is knocking upon applying the brakes. What if the speedometer display is gone? Someone said, engine and abs are enough things to decide a bike's quality.

At least I expected AARGEE to understand my point. He knows me from the time the cbr250r ownership thread was started. I even helped guys and advised on issues. I am doing the very same now as well. I am not against Honda but its product. I just wanted a new owner of this 250r bike does not undergo the same suffering that I went through.

The thread starter wanted to make a choice and I shared my ownership views. I even stated it is his call anyways. But all of you guys took me wrong for no reason. This is why many people on facebook recently commented about the bad mass in xbhp these days compared to best old days of xbhp. People just say anything for the sake of supporting a brand or people. At least I do not do so. I spoke off my chest even the cbr250r is still with me.

About the other story about a CBR150R cylinder which was found in a 250R, it is very much true Dear guys. That belongs to a person and he had been waiting for actions from HMSI even after a month has passed. If I name the svc, the manager may lose his job.

Whether it is Honda or Yamaha, people should not suffer at the end of the day. Attending to problems is not the solution to problems. After all, the person must have undergone suffering by the time the problem is attended. Rectification does not bring the lost charm or the way one has suffered.

Tell me honestly guys, would you be happy to have this type of quality from Honda and that too from a 250cc bike?

If you still are against my views, I simply have no more words.

Happy riding guys.

Please find the images of my Authenticity.

Thank you Pravu for enlightening us all.

I am always up for truths Bro. It is nice to see someone finally understood the bottomline and I cannot be more contented to see he is one of the moderators around here.

Actually I never doubted that you were not too thrilled with your CBR due to some reason I did not know. I understand that nobody would badmouth his own bike/phone/car or anything else he owns and uses on a daily basis unless he is severely disappointed with it. But we must also understand that not every CBR owner has had an experience as bad as you have with your bike so it is really a chance every buyer has to take.

But its nice that people like you actually dare to come out with the bad stuff (against popular opinion). All kinds of feedback are appreciated.

I've chain rust too; Reason? Rain & lack of SUFFICIENT lube. I've used even ROLON's chain (not from HMSI), that also had chain rust. I bet no chain in the world comes rust free if left unattended

Did you identify the reason for the wobbling? What was the issue & how was it fixed?

Quite a genuine issue; I bet your ASC HAS (SHOULD) help you on this one.

You mean chain slider? The rubber cover over the swing arm? Then my friend, it's not guaranteed to stay there for lifelong Though it makes noise & causes harm to swing arm in long run, it's no big deal. Let me know if you need one, I can send couple of them to you via courier if you don't get the stock at your ASC.

BTW, so many KTM's came without chain sliders right out of the factory. So, what do you term those? Never buy KTM at all?

I said Engine is primary not giving least importance to others;

Ofcourse I do; had I not told in my previous post that you're having some tough time at your ASC? But that's not related to manufacturer themselves. In your case, did HMSI not acknowledge & replace your chain sprocket?

While I say that, let me also tell you that, if you thought KTM, P200NS or any recent launches are trouble free...then, I'm sorry, you need to go through the woes of the owners about those bikes; compared to all of them (mind that, except CBR 250R, not all the bikes are sketched from paper to reality as most of them are overbored from existing small capacity motorcycles) CBR 250R has very very less quality issues.

Right, but, all I was also trying to say is, don't just let one incident, one mishap with one model influence the decision; keep a tab on all the new models launched, see all the issues the owner's were undergoing. Most importantly guage the situation FAIRLY.

Using a sentence "Honda had few mess with old bike" is way to different than saying "Honda's bike is crap" I hope you understand.

Pravu...no one has suffered a more mental agony with CBR 250R than I do; I had an engine seizure nearly the 3rd of owning the bike; even the most illiterate one about motorcycles started advising as how I should do the run-in, some even went to the extent of saying I shouldn't exceed 40 Kmph for 1st 500 Km, then 60 for next 1000 & what not? If such a discussion had come at that point, I would've said the same.

But after 15+ months, after establishing trust with the ASC & most importantly after seeing the woes of other product launches, I'm quite happy that CBR 250R had least amount of issues. That incident also helped me to learn a lot of things; instead of arguing, shouting, fighting & complaining, I learned to understand how the system works in the country & blended to it.

Why would the ASC manager lose his job for the mess made by HMSI? And next point, how can it happen only for one motorcycle when the manufacturer makes the bikes in batches? Either it has to be one entire batch or...the dealer messed up

All I'd say is, there're bigger issues with other manufacturers & more expensive motorcycles, other models, either you're not aware of them or you don't want to consider them. Do you want me to enlighten them ? Let me see how much feedbacks are being appreciated

Personally, I don't; like I said, OPEN MIND discussion helps to learn. I see your LED issue to be quite genuine, if it's not fixed for days together, then time to shift your ASC or pull up the socks of your ASC.

Its funny how I am never regular about chain lube but my chain has NEVER had rust. This example counts as long as the bit is bold is not restricted to ONLY CBR250R. If you want to check, I can post current pics of my bike chain which has been lubed just twice in the last 3 months.


I don't know if this bit in Bold was directed at my reply but let me assure you that genuine feedback from genuine owners is always appreciated. They can never get their issues sorted out if they never talk about it in the open. This is what communities like the one we have here are for.

I have had issues with a 4-wheeler in the family (have been lucky with the bike till now) and I have never been afraid to talk about it in the open (Google for "Logan DCi low FE" and all the *relevant* results you will get are posts made by me/my brother in English/German/Romanian languages. Apparently ours is the only Logan DCi in the WORLD which returns low FE . Nobody seems to believe the FE no.s we get consistently .). But still, what I have realized is, if you do come out, all you attract is people and fellow owners who want to help out somehow.. anyhow.