so very true bro,the 220 is the machine that demands road presence right now!

I beg to defer. There are proper air channeling vents on ZMR. The engine will be durable than its close competitors.

It is not all about 'Power' all the time and a P220 is not leagues ahead of a ZMR. There are other good 'plus' points to ZMR over a P220. ZMR is for those who wants enough power on highway (yes, it has enough power on highway to cruise at 100-100 kmph for whole day).

The instrumentation in my Avatar pic is not 'ZMR'. It is VFR1200. BTW, I am not the owner of a ZMR yet.

Please do not take marketing lines used by various manufacturers too seriously

^^fail to understand what road presence has to do with a motorcycle and motorcycling?
it goes well with a custom/cruiser, that is what they are designed for,

if any motorcycle puts a bigger smile than the ones you are considering, you have your answer and someone may prefer a P-135LS over P-150(i would) many would not, so as individuals, see what suits you

the p220 dtsi can cruise at 120 constantly too dude...so doesnt the 220 have an edge over zmr over cruising??

how many custom cruiser do you actually see on the indian roads which demand AHEM-AHEM "road presence" ?? i am a student of journalism & mass comm,and tv reporting is my forte,shot a review of the zmr vs p220 for my college and i stood 2nd! so,NO MARKETING LINES (atleast from my end)!

That is what they are used for, POSING and all the customs cruisers DEMAND Road presence,they are niche
i wasn't saying this to you, my post just happened below yours

and yes, i asked you--what does motorcycle and motorcycling have to do with road presence?

Marketing lines is about people believing the tag"the fastest Indian"/Racing DNA and hence forth

A p220 will not be as stressed as zmr at 100 kmph . 220 will do 100 at 6200 rpm, well below the red line.And the 220 is tall geared the fifth is so tall.

ZMR will be a calm machine any way.

Where is the red line on ZMR?

Is there any genuine HH designed stuff on ZMR ??
But still it looks good.
And the RTC is an added advantage.

Any one raced ZMR with 2009 p180(17.02 ps) or RTR 180 on a highway?
What was the results?

Did I say P220 is not a cruiser? I reiterate again and again and again, P220 is more powerful than a ZMR. What I would like to say is 100 kmph speed is enough for touring on Indian highways and do not take the Karizma out of the league just for the sake of 10 kmph speed edge. There are still a large section of people who likes its refinement, reliability, and the durability of the engine. It is still an able handler. That is why people are still buying it. If P220 is everything, why people are buying a ZMA?

We have to explain the positives and negatives and allow the members to choose based on them. Now, do not say P220 has all positives.

I would like respect for both bikes. It pinches when somebody ridicules.

There is a joint venture between Honda of Japan and Hero of India. Hero gets technology from Honda and pays royalty for that. Now that the technology of Honda is good, Hero Honda's bikes are good. Hero Honda does not have an R&D, because they are paying to get the technology from Honda. Hero Honda is not copying technology from Honda ; they are just buying the technology from Honda. VFR1200 is a Honda product, so there is no scope for copying. You said the design is good, then why bother who designed it. Ultimately, we need to see how good the product that we use is good.

I was unaware about the absence of an R&D team for HH.
But still have the following doubts:

Will Honda supply serious engineering stuff to HH sice Honda is directly operating in India ?

Is it not a shame HH is unable to mature like bajaj and tvs?

Hero Honda is serving well to the commuter segment in India for years and they are happy with it. Every company going Bajaj or TVS way may not be good. When things are fine why to disturb it. Remember Hero HOnda is world's largest bike maker for the 9th consecutive year. So, the technical colloboration is working very well for them and naturally they do not want to distrub that. They may form an R&D if the contract with Honda ends.

Regarding passing technology to Hero HOnda from Honda, I agree there may be some glitches, but everything is based on their contract. We do not know what exactly happening there. But, Hero honda is able to get latest technology from Honda and the examples are the Unicorn engine in Xtreme and Hunk, the newly developed 100 cc engines in CD deluxe and splendor NXG, and not to forget the PGM-FI Glamour, and finally the new ZMR with latest technology (but the engine is old).

Again I say, there are people like you and there are people like me. Initially I too felt the urge to go higher speeds, but after some experience, felt 100 kmph is best to keep things under control.

sales figures justifies your point.
Though most will be from commuter segment.

Consider the case when our automotive industry seriously matures..
When XSX R 600, R6 etc are manufactured in india..
RTR 600 RR, Pulsar 600 dtsfi etc keeps up to the league...

then Honda will start producing CBR 600 here...
Then Where is the room for HH?
Will they get a CBR motor for karizma then?


All these may be my dream..
Take it in that sense

What I mean to say is above 100 kmph speeds are not good on our bike chasses. Controling things will be very difficult with our bike frames in tricky situations. You can do 140 speeds with good control on 250cc NInja and bigger bikes, and their frames are made for that.

You cannot just say that anything can happen at lower speeds too, and then I say anything can happen when you walk too. Cruising at higher speeds (anything above 110 kmph) on our bikes is not safe on indian roads. It would involve extra risk. It is not that you cannot do more speeds, but it is always risky with indian roads and the type of bikes.

I am telling this because, I want all the riders to return home safe. You will understand this one day.

I hope you have watched 'Million Dollar Baby'. If so, remember what Clint always says.

We will get back to the topic from here.

That is basically done by selling eons and eons on Splendor and Passion, even i recommend them to anyone looking for a fool-proof commuting motorcycle
how do you think they managed to eek out 1PS extra from CBZ Extreme and Hunk motors compared to the butter smooth Unicorn

i won't call them latest, far from it and FI is hard to incorporate else i don't see a significant advantage of a ZMR over carb Zma

I don't know what you guys will say if you ride a hayabusa everyday

and i would chose a P-220 over a HH Karizma as the disadvantages of a P-220 more than make up by its advantages

and all of this boils down to the rider who is considering the motorcycles

and please--
No rantings/flamings/sms type language and mine is bigger/better than yours,we have had enough