The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[Incubus]

Please help!

Guys,

I am doing a ride to Munnar in the last week of December. Need guidance with the route from Mangalore. (Surojit has convinced me not to travel via NH17 from Mangalore as the road is terrible for 140odd kms).

Also wanted to check around if anyone is interested in joining

[trustvishwas]

Guys,

I am doing a ride to Munnar in the last week of December. Need guidance with the route from Mangalore. (Surojit has convinced me not to travel via NH17 from Mangalore as the road is terrible for 140odd kms).

Also wanted to check around if anyone is interested in joining

Birubhaiyya ki jai ho. If he dosen't join you on a weekend ride to Munnar, he will at least give some pointers about roads.

I am kind off suprised that you were not wearing your gear as whenever I have seen you riding (even on the splendor) you would at least have your jacket on.

Take care

Cheers!

Yup. Shrinath wears his jacket all the time but unfortunately, due to an error in jacket design, it does not cover his head.

[JitenMistry]

hi everyone, it seems my bike was not ready to go for kaas or for the ducati meet as i met with the most weird accident on Saturday in Balewadi while returning from motocafe late nigh around 11 pm, where a dog came from somewhere and got stuck in my rear wheel and i did a mistake of panic braking resulting in the rear part lifted up to a 45% angle and leading to a bad skid where i was landed on my face but thanks to my stars that i had wore my cross helmet which took the entire impact and saved me from any major injuries, though i have suffered some bruises in my both hand knuckle and my right knee which will take a time of week for recovery.

Be careful shri @ night, even i face drunken man on the road and it difficult to control them with bike (since both are mindless (bike and drunken men)@ that time ). get well soon.

[shrinathrao]

@vishwas - for covering my head i use a helmet which is in a bad shape after the crash

@ everyone - shall i go and buy a new helmet from cross range or are there any other options available within a range of 5000/-

[antz.bin]

@Shrinath.. On detailed studying of your case, from your oral and written statements, I come to 2 conclusions about the probable reasons for your crash and how it could have been avoided.


Theory #1:
You were riding at some 'unknown to us'(assuming <80 because you are running in) speed. When you saw the dog come closer, the dog presumably was somewhere to you right and in front (in clock directions.. somewhere between 12'o clock and 3'o clock) My guess would be, it was somewhere close to 1-1.30 'when you saw it'.

So, when you saw the aforementioned dog, you paniced and braked as hard as you could, in the process the rear end left the ground (which clearly means you braked waaay to hard). Anyways, the dog hits the rear wheel of your bike which it would'nt(because it would have gone behind the bike and not crashed into the rear wheel assuming you were doing >20kmph) have if you hadn't braked as hard as you did. The cause of crash was was not the dog but your miscalculation / overbraking / misjudgement.

Solution: Nurse your wounds, think over what happened, take steps so that such an errors can be avoided.

Suggested steps:
1. Practise panic braking in a cotrolled environment where some unsuspecting motorist won't rear-end you when you are practicing.
2. Never ride too close to the devider on a 4-lane. Always ride 6 inches to the right of the middle marker of your lane( i.e. 6 inches into the fast lane)
3. Upgrade headlights because most probable cause of such accidents is because you did not spot the dog in time.

Theory #2:
As per your phone call yesterday, you told me that you had blacked out after your crash so I assume you have no way of remembering what exactly happened and are relying on eyewitness accounts of your crash for any and all aforementioned crash details. It can be safely assumed that all the other details being correct, the dog in fact crashed into your front wheel (and not the rear) which led to all the drama of the rear wheel lifting off and you falling over on your head. And in that case, the only explanation can be made is that you failed to spot the dog in time for you to safely negotiate your nemesis.

The only way to restart riding confidently after any crash is to put all the blame of your fall on yourself and on nothing else. The fact that you had a fall is your own fault in some way or the other. The only thing you can do now is think over what 'you' did wrong in all this and try not to get caught in such scenarios again using your wisdom from this one.

Do not think that I am picking on you when I say it is 'your' fault when 'you' fall, this rule applies to all of us so the sooner we realise this the better. Since I have joined xBHP Pune, Rishabh crashed @Bhandardara (and many other times ) because he failed to spot the pothole in front of him (because he didn't upgrade his lighting), same case with Ashu on the RTR (Kashedi); TenHut('blade) and Rockerzzz(legendary titanium breather pipe crash) crashed at Lavasa because they overleaned, same case with Sudo @ Amba ghat; Satyen(un-geared ), Praful Tripathy and I crashed because we did not gauge pedestarian psychology very well before commiting into whatever we were doing on the road. The only thing we learn from this is to be more careful next time, our stars may not be so favourable next time.

P.S.: These are only some of the many many crashes we have seen / read about around us. Some crashes are more horrific than others but it is a good idea to keep count of all of your major / minor crashes / falls so you know what you are up to and how safe is your riding for yourself. If you think you are crashing too much, it is time you took a break from riding all kinds of 2-wheelers for a couple of months. (Applies to all of us.)

@DK, NV, Countrock, MG etc. I assure you that in all xBHP where new / unknown riders ride with the regular members, members do take the trouble of communicating the rules of the game to the newbies in advance. If such a thing is missed, I myself have stopped many a rides from proceeding any further than a couple of Kms so that all instructions can be made clear to everyone. Also, even if such a breifing happens prior to the start of the ride, it is not necessary that everybody will follow all instructions (maybe due to his inability to understand or earlier riding habits) and in such a case, leader / sweeper / senior members should not hesitate to stop 'all the riders'/ 'riders in question' so that the instructions and their seriousness to the group can be fully understood by everyone.

General query @ Senior members (NV / Niks / Satyen / DK / Ketan / MG etc.) Is it necessary for the tail/sweeper to be at the back end of the group 'at all times' during the ride? Because in my opinion it isn't as long as the sweeper can check on all the riders every couple of minutes. The ground rules need to be made right here so there are no conflicts on the road. Anyways, the sweeper is not averse to breakdown either so he has every right to go ahead if he doesn't feel comfortable. (P.S.: I tail ).

[surojit]

^^ are you fine buddy??? yeh sab kya hai ? itna sara theory?

[shrinathrao]

^^ are you fine buddy??? yeh sab kya hai ? itna sara theory?

yeah man i am doing good

[antz.bin]

^^ are you fine buddy??? yeh sab kya hai ? itna sara theory?

All posting and no riding makes Antz a dull boy .

[ketan_r15]

yeah man i am doing good

I think that wasn't for you Shrinath Ji!
@ Anant, I'll share my opinions bout the query you mentioned in your post, in few minutes.. Network problem

[inder.cool]

^^ are you fine buddy??? yeh sab kya hai ? itna sara theory?

yeah man i am doing good

lol...dat was not for you shrinath!! Also, im quite surprised to know that the dog didn't get hurt even after getting stuck/hitting in front/rear wheel..

@Anant: Nice in-depth analysis dude!!

[ketan_r15]

General query @ Senior members (NV / Niks / Satyen / DK / Ketan / MG etc.) Is it necessary for the tail/sweeper to be at the back end of the group 'at all times' during the ride? Because in my opinion it isn't as long as the sweeper can check on all the riders every couple of minutes. The ground rules need to be made right here so there are no conflicts on the road. Anyways, the sweeper is not averse to breakdown either so he has every right to go ahead if he doesn't feel comfortable. (P.S.: I tail ).

IMO, when ever riding in a group, the lead rider and the sweeper, both should be senior/responsible riders and should be aware of the route to destination.

Lead has the task to guide the convoy via correct route, keeping an eye in the RVM to check if everything's fine behind and to alert the riders following him about any unforeseen incidences/obstacles like cattle, cross-roads, speed breakers and many more.

Why the sweeper should stick to his position all the time?
1) If any of the rider's bike, riding in between the lead and sweep, has a breakdown and stalls then after rectifying the problem the rider won't be lost if he doesn't know the route. Sweeper will guide him correctly.

2) If any of the riders meets with a crash, the sweeper being a senior/responsible rider will take appropriate and correct actions quickly, which an otherwise new rider will find difficult to do and be scared. Also the one who tails the group MUST have contact numbers of atleast 50% of the riders in the group. So that he can inform the rest of the group bout the incident.

3) As usual I was assigned the task of tailing the group during last year's Lavasa mega meet. One of the bikes in the group was Honda Activa and I still remember that I stuck to my place right till the destination. At times I had to ride at speeds below 40-50 kmph but I did it.

4) Also the sweeper gets a good view of the riders riding in front of him. being a senior/responsible rider he can detect the flaws in someone's riding still and if it's that urgent and necessary can move ahead, co-ordinate with the lead, stop the convoy and brief the entire group about the mistakes to avoid a possible crash.

These are the basic images of a Lead and Sweep rider in my mind. Other seniors please correct/add to these points if necessary.

[Incubus]

lol...dat was not for you shrinath!! Also, im quite surprised to know that the dog didn't get hurt even after getting stuck/hitting in front/rear wheel..

LOL I agree! I have had only one Kutta come under the wheel of my bike on my return from Bhandardara Lake and he was not very fourtunate to survive the weight of 148Kgs(bike)+myself..

[trustvishwas]

IMO, when ever riding in a group, the lead rider and the sweeper, both should be senior/responsible riders and should be aware of the route to destination.

Dang.... there goes Antz's position of sweeper of the group.

[ketan_r15]

Dang.... there goes Antz's position of sweeper of the group.

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[HydroXidE]

Guys,

I am doing a ride to Munnar in the last week of December. Need guidance with the route from Mangalore. (Surojit has convinced me not to travel via NH17 from Mangalore as the road is terrible for 140odd kms).

Also wanted to check around if anyone is interested in joining

Err.. how / why Mangalore ?? .. I just went to Mangalore last week from Pune .. road near Bhatkal is horrible for about 5 kms but rest of it is doable.

For Munnar, I strongly suggest you do Udumalaipet (TN) to Munnar .. it's a very very scenic route. You could go down further on NH-17 and enter TN through Palakkad.

Not sure if you are riding from Pune. Alternate routes if you aren't doign NH-17/mangalore would be... to Blr - Kanakapura - Satyamangalam - Coimbatore - udumalaipat - Munnar .... very scenic .. else, you can take NH-4 and go through Salem, but its longer.

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OT .. to the above ..
just back from a 2000+ km ride .. Pune-Goa-Gokarn-Mangalore and back .. with my wife on my new p220f