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  • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

    Originally posted by sibun View Post
    Man my bike has run 20k km and still is running better than new. So it is a question of maintenance rather than quality.

    Some of my observation:-

    1. He adjusted the tappets without gauge, how did he knew the gap without feeler gauge. Since in extreme both the tappets have different settings then how did he set that. Moreover when replacing cylinder kit he has adjusted the timing, then why the need of again adjusting. Timing needs to adjusted only when timing sprocket is removed from chain.That means he has messed up the adjustment first time.

    2. Why was the bore changed at 29k on odo. May be bad running-in or irregular engine oil change. Just two to three days ago i was looking into my extreme bore through the spark hole using a powerful pencil beam torch and after 20k bike bore has still the honing mark present. The Honing marks are clearly visible. There are extremes here which have crossed 50-60k mark without any major maintenance.So why was it changed so early just ponder over it and you will get your answer.

    3. Moreover the original clutch plates are not priced that high for no reason. And who said clutch wears out at 8k kms. My bike is at 20k and still clutch is as sharp as the day i bought it. Moreover the clutch having scratch marks then let me tell you it will have that mark as it is a friction item and will rub against each other. Moreover from the pictures that you have posted the clutch center easily shows that you are riding the clutch or your clutch has no free play which is not completely dis-engaging the clutch which is making it burnt is so much less running.

    4. Rear disc brake, then let me tell you by looking at the piston that with so much rust it denotes that you are not maintaining the caliper assembly neither servicing it. With so much rust the piston will not return back and instead will cause pad wear.Moreover while braking the piston will move in jam manner which will cause the pad to wear out faster.
    So regular servicing is important.I am not blaming you, may be you do not know how to service on your own and the mechanics are ruining the bike more. So it is not the fault of bike but regular service of bike will make it less maintenance bike.

    If all the members want i can post a detail service list here on what to do in 2000 km service and how to do it on your own.
    Hi Sibun,

    Thanks for your inputs.
    Here are my answers.

    1. I have seldom seen any mechanic (of private work-shops) using a feeler gauge for adjusting tappets. Anyways, the actual problem was development of horizontal play in one of the rocker arm bearing. So, both of them were replaced with genuine ones and now the engine note has improved.

    2. You must be remembering about my post in Help Me section. Actually, I was facing Engine Oil consumption issue when my total running reached 22 K, and finally I had to replace the complete cylinder kit to rectify this.
    Boring was also an option, but I decided to go for new kit.

    3. I do not ride clutch at all, but after replacing the clutch plates for the first time @ 20K, the mechanic did not provided any free play in the clutch lever and I believe this to be the culprit for early clutch plate failure.
    Can you guide me how to determine whether clutch plates (Fiber ones) have gone bad by looking at them, because I am still having the old ones which were replaced recently and I think my mechanic had replaced them just for the sake of improving pickup.

    4. As far as rear disc brakes are concerned, I never bothered to replace the brake fluid till 1.5 Years. Moreover, my mechanic was not comfortable with disc brake repairing (Old School), so he never touched them while servicing.
    Finally, I had to consult another mechanic for addressing disc brake issue. I got the rear disc caliper serviced, and the brake fluid of Front brakes were also replaced. While discussing the same with my friends, I got to know that one of them has not replaced the disc brake fluid even once in 3 Years (Bike is Pulsar 180) !!!

    It would be really helpful, if you can guide us about servicing our bikes, as it's really difficult to find a decent mechanic whose priority is getting the work done in best possible manner rather than looting customers
    One more thing, please share the part no. of SKF Racer bearing for Xtreme.
    Last edited by nishesh.kumar; 09-30-2013, 11:39 AM.

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    • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

      Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
      Hello People,

      I have an issue with my bike. Her riding is very uncertain. I am not sure what it is, I constantly feel as if the tires are punctured or something like that. I have checked and the tyre pressure is ok, and the rims do not have any bends in them. I am not sure why the bike feels like it is wobbling. Especially on wet roads. Any suggestions guys??

      Thanks.
      on a main stand rotate the wheel and check if your tyre is fitted properly on the rim. Hold your wheel and move lateral, there shouldn't be any play. If there is any play your bearings are gone. Check the mark of wheel in swing arm to see if wheel is running straight. Check chain slack too if its not tight. Check rear shock absorbers too if oil is not leaked. If any of the two shock become soft then also one can experience wobbling. If all this checkups doesnt help then check swing arm bushes too.
      I hope this help.

      [MENTION=64883]Lokesh027[/MENTION]
      Anyone can say seeing your spark plug, its perfect yaar. Good!!
      do check my signature on how to change fork oil.
      Last edited by paul.1911; 09-29-2013, 04:29 PM.
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      • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

        Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
        Hello People,

        I have an issue with my bike. Her riding is very uncertain. I am not sure what it is, I constantly feel as if the tires are punctured or something like that. I have checked and the tyre pressure is ok, and the rims do not have any bends in them. I am not sure why the bike feels like it is wobbling. Especially on wet roads. Any suggestions guys??

        Thanks.

        Did you by any chance replace the tyre or tube ? Was the wheel removed anytime recently (may be to fix a puncture ?) ? Do update us on this issue?

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        • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

          Hi,

          Yes, I did have a puncture in the front tyre and had the tube replaced at that time. Come to think of it, that day they didn't fit the tyre properly that day and I had to go back to them to get it removed and fitted again the same day. Could it be that the problem is because of the front tyre not being fitted properly that day?
          Originally posted by girimajiananth View Post
          Did you by any chance replace the tyre or tube ? Was the wheel removed anytime recently (may be to fix a puncture ?) ? Do update us on this issue?
          ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

          Hi Paul,

          I had a puncture on my front wheel and while fitting it back they hadn't fitted it properly to the wheel. I had to go back and get it refitted that day. But now it seems to be fine. Also, the wheel is straight and there seems to be no issues with the bearing. I am not sure how to check the swingarm. The rear shock absorbers are not leaking but I think they might have become soft. Can I fix them without getting them replaced?

          Originally posted by paul.1911 View Post
          on a main stand rotate the wheel and check if your tyre is fitted properly on the rim. Hold your wheel and move lateral, there shouldn't be any play. If there is any play your bearings are gone. Check the mark of wheel in swing arm to see if wheel is running straight. Check chain slack too if its not tight. Check rear shock absorbers too if oil is not leaked. If any of the two shock become soft then also one can experience wobbling. If all this checkups doesnt help then check swing arm bushes too.
          I hope this help.

          @Lokesh027
          Anyone can say seeing your spark plug, its perfect yaar. Good!!
          do check my signature on how to change fork oil.

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          • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

            Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
            Hi Paul,

            I had a puncture on my front wheel and while fitting it back they hadn't fitted it properly to the wheel. I had to go back and get it refitted that day. But now it seems to be fine. Also, the wheel is straight and there seems to be no issues with the bearing. I am not sure how to check the swingarm. The rear shock absorbers are not leaking but I think they might have become soft. Can I fix them without getting them replaced?
            If wheel is straight and bearings are good then u can go with inspection of your shocks. I dont think swingarm bushes can go kaput so early. Do get shocks checked by two mechanics and see what they say. or u can also check by yourself. Just grab both spoilers on the above of your tail light, both wheels should be touching the ground with no main/center stand and press the shocks consecutively 3~4 times and feel the resistance of both. If both have equal resistance then its fine (bike will go down straight) and if any of your shock is soft or hard then u will feel bike is heading one side more than the other. Just try it, u will know.
            And if u go with reparing it will not last long. If reparing is the only option for you then go with reparing only by experienced mechanic and original part should be used.
            Last edited by paul.1911; 10-01-2013, 11:11 AM.
            | SOL 68s | Rynox Tornado Pro | Rynox Advento | Cramster TRG2 | Scoyco MC20 | Hero 5 and SJ6 |

            Adjusting Tappets FZ25 www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiJGtd_Xigl
            Engine Oil & Oil Filter Change www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZ5MlXF7dc

            Visit here for more DIY www.youtube.com/c/LifeofPal

            DIY - Foam Air filter Cleaning & Oiling / Horn Repair Guide / Replacing Motorcycle Fork Oil

            Read This Before You Buy Any Halogen Bulb
            Engine Overhaul

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            • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

              Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
              Hi,

              Yes, I did have a puncture in the front tyre and had the tube replaced at that time. Come to think of it, that day they didn't fit the tyre properly that day and I had to go back to them to get it removed and fitted again the same day. Could it be that the problem is because of the front tyre not being fitted properly that day?

              ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

              ?
              Well , if its refitted properly then nothing to worry . How about wheel balancing and alignment ? Not sure how its done on bikes . The ASC once said that they would do it , well I do not trust them. Check with a reputed wheel balancing \ alignment center in your city. See if it helps . Do you observe any uneven wear on the tyres ?

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              • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
                Hello People,

                I have an issue with my bike. Her riding is very uncertain. I am not sure what it is, I constantly feel as if the tires are punctured or something like that. I have checked and the tyre pressure is ok, and the rims do not have any bends in them. I am not sure why the bike feels like it is wobbling. Especially on wet roads. Any suggestions guys??

                Thanks.
                Please update, now where do you stand? Is it wobbling now?

                ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                Originally posted by paul.1911 View Post
                @Lokesh027
                Anyone can say seeing your spark plug, its perfect yaar. Good!!
                do check my signature on how to change fork oil.
                Besides sibun's guide, my past carb tuning experience on Honda Activa has proved useful to me. It was my third time I got the correct tuning. Moreover, the idle rpm in morning is very much stable at around 900-1000rpm without shutting down the engine and that too without the choke.

                By the way, I have never tried to open front forks before this. Paul, your guide might prove useful but I am bit afraid whether it requires any special skill or experience.

                What are the other options for buying fork oil? Its somewhat difficult to get Motul 20W

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                • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                  Good fork oil is available from servo(IOC) , gulf , castrol & endurance too , other than motul . Avoid the other ( cheaper ) oils .
                  Another thing to beware of - while I was at the shop 2 mechanics/helpers appeared with bottles of the better oils which the bike owner had given them to fill and exchanged them for the cheap oil and kept the difference . The shopkeeper obliged them pleasantly . When I enquired , he said it was an widespread practice with parts like oils/fork oils . I feel it's better to take assistance of a good mechanic to try replace front fork oil for the first time .
                  Last edited by Pinaki; 10-02-2013, 12:01 AM.

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                  • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                    Hi,

                    I do not see any uneven wear on the tyres, though I guess there is plenty of wear on both of them now. I constantly get the feel that one of them or both is punctured while riding, even though the air pressure is ok. I don't know whether its just in my head or something is actually wrong. I sure wish I can get to the problem, whatever it is and the service centre guys are not much help. I will try to go to a MRF showroom and see if they do the balancing for a two wheeler. I have never heard of it being done for a bike before though. My tyres do have those balancing thingies in them. I will try and update

                    Originally posted by girimajiananth View Post
                    Well , if its refitted properly then nothing to worry . How about wheel balancing and alignment ? Not sure how its done on bikes . The ASC once said that they would do it , well I do not trust them. Check with a reputed wheel balancing \ alignment center in your city. See if it helps . Do you observe any uneven wear on the tyres ?
                    ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                    Yes buddy, it is still wobbling now, yesterday I stopped my bike three times on my way home to check if either of the tires was punctured. They seem ok, and have good pressure. I have no clue to what is wrong with her.

                    Originally posted by Lokesh027 View Post
                    Please update, now where do you stand? Is it wobbling now?

                    ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----



                    Besides sibun's guide, my past carb tuning experience on Honda Activa has proved useful to me. It was my third time I got the correct tuning. Moreover, the idle rpm in morning is very much stable at around 900-1000rpm without shutting down the engine and that too without the choke.

                    By the way, I have never tried to open front forks before this. Paul, your guide might prove useful but I am bit afraid whether it requires any special skill or experience.

                    What are the other options for buying fork oil? Its somewhat difficult to get Motul 20W

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                    • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                      Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
                      Hi,

                      I do not see any uneven wear on the tyres, though I guess there is plenty of wear on both of them now. I constantly get the feel that one of them or both is punctured while riding, even though the air pressure is ok. I don't know whether its just in my head or something is actually wrong. I sure wish I can get to the problem, whatever it is and the service centre guys are not much help. I will try to go to a MRF showroom and see if they do the balancing for a two wheeler. I have never heard of it being done for a bike before though. My tyres do have those balancing thingies in them. I will try and update

                      Yes buddy, it is still wobbling now, yesterday I stopped my bike three times on my way home to check if either of the tires was punctured. They seem ok, and have good pressure. I have no clue to what is wrong with her.
                      Did you check the wheel alignment marks on the left and right of swing arm are aligned on both sides, as Paul had suggested?
                      How much air pressure you maintain in the tires?

                      Anyways try with balancing wheels also, as you said.

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                      • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                        Hi Satson,

                        You mean the marks on the part where the tire is fitted, right? they are the same. I maintain a pressure of 40 in the rear tire and 30 in the front tire. I am going for a new set of tires later this month. I guess if its anything wrong with the tires it should be solved by then, and at that time I will get the balancing done too. Lets see how that turns out. By the way, if I need to adjust my shock absorbers for a rough road, in what position should they be? Currently they both are in the first position(the smallest notch).

                        Originally posted by SatSon View Post
                        Did you check the wheel alignment marks on the left and right of swing arm are aligned on both sides, as Paul had suggested?
                        How much air pressure you maintain in the tires?

                        Anyways try with balancing wheels also, as you said.

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                        • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                          Originally posted by virendrapareek View Post
                          Hi Satson,

                          You mean the marks on the part where the tire is fitted, right? they are the same. I maintain a pressure of 40 in the rear tire and 30 in the front tire. I am going for a new set of tires later this month. I guess if its anything wrong with the tires it should be solved by then, and at that time I will get the balancing done too. Lets see how that turns out. By the way, if I need to adjust my shock absorbers for a rough road, in what position should they be? Currently they both are in the first position(the smallest notch).
                          Okay.
                          The shock absorbers get softer as they are set taller.
                          By first position, I believe you mean the shock absorber is set lower which means it is in harder setting.

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                          • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                            Originally posted by SatSon View Post
                            Okay.
                            The shock absorbers get softer as they are set taller.
                            By first position, I believe you mean the shock absorber is set lower which means it is in harder setting.
                            Isn't it the other way around

                            The New Console on New Xtreme looks really good, looks like some Alien-Tech
                            Hope they have increased its power to 16bhp

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                              Originally posted by Ajay.vinod View Post
                              Isn't it the other way around

                              The New Console on New Xtreme looks really good, looks like some Alien-Tech
                              Hope they have increased its power to 16bhp

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                              The bike looks too slender, doesn't have the muscular features at all

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                                Originally posted by sinnerz2000 View Post
                                The bike looks too slender, doesn't have the muscular features at all

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                                truth to be told, You are right, The bike lost lost its masculine touch may be cause of lack of Tank flaps n split seats. Its like it or hate it design
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