Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

That's BS on the clutch 'repair' every service. One just needs to inspect and maybe clean it.. that's about it. Replacement will usually not be needed for at-least 25k km.
Oil change yes, every 3000km should be your upper limit.
Nitrogen, again a scam. Stick to 'air' for 5 bucks (it contains about 70% nitrogen anyway!)
Air filter, ideally every 10000km (or a little earlier.. if you ride in dusty conditions) depending on how dirty it is. Honda provides a 'viscous' type air filter that can only be replaced and not really 'cleaned'(probably a tactic to make more money selling spares)

Change the service center if possible and stick around during a service.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

About the Clutch component the technician said that clutch has to be repaired every 3000 kms. Ditto for Oil change, i.e. according to the serrvice center technician it has to be changed every 3000 kms. The body repair was due to some rattle noise coming in from th front of the body, ditto for the Wax. Next time I will make sure that I do not ask them to put Wax. Last time they even put nitrogen in my tires and charged me Rs 150 for the same.

90% I drive the vehicle and I do not keep the throttle open and use the brakes. When I am driving the vehicle and I have to break my throttle automatically goes to zero.

What I would like to know is how frequently does the Air Filter have to be changed for Activa 125? And what is the frequency of Oil Change for Activa 125?

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Seems reasonable.. ideally those clutch components should last at-least 25k km. So you wouldn't have to change them every service. Without a visual inspection I can't say for sure if these items indeed required replacement. My Dio ran with the stock clutch components for at-least 40k km iirc.
What is MRTB? And I see body repair at Rs.600 and Wax Rs.50.
So essentially it would have been around 1000rs if you deduct the body repair, wax, clutch components and that brake cam(never had to replace mine so far) as these are not regular replacements but one off. If you ask me, the price charged seems very reasonable for a honda asc especially wrt labor.
If one keeps the throttle open and uses the brakes at the same time, it leads to premature wear of clutch components. So be aware of that.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Here is the breakup of my recent bill. Out of the table given below the following items are related to clutch 5, 6, 7, 8 and 15.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,


Sorry my bad,In a hurry didn't verify the details.

Yup that's the idea

Also another update,The HT Coil (Ignition Coil) was replaced and now the current issue is sorted,Alternatively he changed all the screws of the carb (Screw set is what he calls it), Now he says everything is in top order and I should not have anything to worry about now. So I should ideally be worry free and Am hoping to get a good mileage figure.

Total damage was close to 3K ( Had couple of other things changed while at it including back top cover above the tail light which had broken internally and was held with screws from outside which I hated).

Regards.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Thank you for the update on the coil issue.
The picture you posted is iftex system 23 while what we were talking about is iftex system-g. They are two different products sold by Iftex.
I've never seen the iftex 23 on the shelves and never used it. It is targeted towards 2/3 wheelers.
While iftex system g is targeted towards cars and can be used safely on fuel injected bikes based on my experience and experiences of fellow riders. Whereas Adon-P seems to be marketed for use on all petrol vehicles. Likewise System-D, Adon-D is for Diesel vehicles.
Adon is supposedly manufactured by Total- France and marketed here by IOC.. while am not sure if Iftex has some collaboration with some phoren entity or uses their proprietary blend. I really don't care as long as they work and more importantly don't cause any damages

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,



Have got the update,The coil plate assembly is fine only the pickup coil was replaced,Additionally the electrical system was checked post the coil replacement and there was weak current ( when held at a distance to the ground the sparking was not half as much as the test coil belonging to the the Activa) from the HT Coil (Ignition Coil) and hence it was decided to replace that as well so as to make it trouble free and avoid any future issues. But unfortunately it was not available at the many Honda official parts showroom nearby,There was one place which said they had stock ( Silicon Honda,Kengeri) which is like 30 odd Kms from the service center currently the vehicle is at. So going all the way for that is what is the challenge,But the mechanic has promised me that he will arrange it.


So with that Am hoping to close this chapter with the above,Also additionally the fuel tap (the unit below the tank) was also replaced just to be doubly sure of the proper fuel supply.


Yes that's why I mentioned that it is a new bunk (so at least for six months to year it should be free of adulteration ) it's barely a month old now and also since it's private the quality of the fuel should be better than the great Govt PSU's ( irrespective of the bunk filled as I have tried all the bunks in the entire city of Bangalore, Hence I had only stuck to Shell as they are little bit more reliable (not that I think they are 100% adulteration free but much better compared to Govt).)


No it's not same,As I mentioned earlier the System-G is half the price of the ADON-P. Also it is available in 5Ml sachet priced 5Rs.( taken from this thread here) ,where as ADON-P is 9Rs for the same 5Ml.


Thanks for your feedback,I was looking at this as a next option to my current one ! So after reading your feedback it's obviously out !!


This absolutely preposterous, Why in the hell you have to spend 2K every 3months !! This is daylight robbery. That's why I never ever go to the Authorised or company service center ever ! I go to a local guy and ask him to use the original spares and get the vehicle done in my presence ( unless I trust the guy in which case will not be there althrough but will visit at least once a day if takes more than a day to complete the work).

Where do you live ? If In Bangalore can suggest some workshops for you.

Regards.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Let's know what the diagnosis is on the stator coil.
As per my butt dyno, the adon-p seems to provide a wee better throttle response compared to the system g. As for the cleanliness effect I am yet to open the throttle body or injector on my duke that's done close to 28k now and it hasn't shown any symptoms of poor performance. Heck I've never even had the valve clearances adjusted so far.
On my Dio though, I do not notice any difference with or without the additive.. and it get's serviced every 2500~3000km (or 6 months whichever earlier). And during every service the carb is opened and cleaned (not that i've ever noticed any gumming or dirt in the carb). Only once did it happen so that the bike was jerking and shutting off if the throttle wasn't open atleast half way and got this checked immediately and it turned out that a strand of the waste cloth (which mechs use to wipe stuff) got stuck in the carb jet!

As for fuel brands, I do not see any difference among them. The main issue is adulteration and you never know which petrol bunk adulterates and who doesn't. One can't simply point a finger at a particular brand.. it comes down to the individual petrol stations..

Both Adon-P and System-G cost almost the same. But Adon-P is available in different pack sizes i.e. (5ml pouch @9rs, 20ml plastic bottle@40rs ,and a 200ml plastic bottle) While system g is only available in a 200ml bottle@Rs380 IIRC. The advantage here being I can carry a couple of pouches or 20ml bottle under the rear seat on my Duke easily and use it while I am touring or even during regular fill ups.

You can use it every other tankful (Like I do) and using a bit more or less is not going to cause any harm because the ratio is very low (Just use a bit of common sense here). There have been times when I have doubled the dose too. The plastic bottles have a small marking near the neck, that help you measure accurately the amount you want to pour in. So I'd say get a few 20ml bottles.. easier to use and carry.

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39kmpl is good economy. forget the 'claimed' figures by honda. It also depends on how the scoot is used. Read my past couple of posts regarding this topic.
as for the kick starter, please get it checked by a mechanic. you might have to remove the left side case and clean it and lubricate. The kicks on these scoots are pretty 'swift and smooth'.
Once you are out of the warranty period, you can safely get it serviced every 2500-3000km or 4 months. And the oil Honda uses is good enough and cost is reasonable. Rs.1700 seems pretty high for a regular service, can post the break up from your recent bill ?
Try to find a local mechanic who can service you scoot.. prices will be much lower. I never went back to the service center after the 1st yr/ 4th service. The past 9 yrs it's been at the hands of a local mech (who only works on scoots) and it still is going strong at close to 70k km now with the only major parts replaced being the clutch components (clutch shoes,springs, rollers, drive belt).. the drive belt replaced at around 25k km(still have it with me as a spare) and the rest were replaced between 50k -62k on the odo. Again these parts had normal wear and tear (and not failed), and I decided to replace them considering the km the scoot had clocked. I still keep them replaced parts aside as spares if needed in case of emergency.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

It is now going to be close to 2 years for my Activa 125 DLX with Disc brakes this has been my experience with my vehicle
1) Till now the vehicle has been reliable to a T.
2) Good power even will a pillon driver.

The cons of the vehicle has been as follows
1) I have neverr got a milleage above 39 kmpl.
2) The Ride is bone jaring hard. All the bad roads are transmitted. It is supposed to have telescopic suspension but it might have iron rods for all practical purpose.
3) The kick is extremly hard even after 2 years.

Oh one more thing. Honda has a 3 month cycle for service. So in a calendar year of 12 months Honda has 4 services. The problem is that in each service the bill will vary from Rs 1700 to Rs 2000. So in a year the cost of service is going to be Rs Rs 5100 to Rs 8000 per year. To put things into prespective the cost of servicing my car in a year is about Rs 8000. I had an Alto which I used to get serviced till 2015 for Rs 4000-Rs5000 per year. The Honda service center will charge about Rs 250-300 for 800 ml of Honda 2T oil. They will not use another oil. If we use it then they will refuse to touch the vehicle.

It seems that since Honda does not have any actual competition in this segment, i.e 125cc and above, it is taking its customers for a ride. The ride of the vehicle is horrid. The fuel efficiency is so-so. The Handling is good but it is not best or great.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,

Well thanks but the good news was short lived , I although worked fine for the short run ( 8 odd Kms) I did immediately after refueling but in the morning it got back to same shitty self and started behaving the same way as it earlier which threw the Essar theory out of the window ? So to be 200% sure of the thing I again switched back to the regular plug and drove,Again for few Kms it went smoothly and after a small interval of 20Min when I started it just wouldn't and kept failing,I tried self,manual (kick start) but none worked,Finally somehow managed to start and took it straight to the mechanic who looked at other possibilities and concluded that the coils are gone (the resistance in the starter coil was around 300 and he says it should be half of that or something to that effect as was not able to articulate the details), So he said will have the coil tested and try to get the faulty coil rewound,I suggested him not to do that and straight away change whole damn thing as I Am damn pissed with this whole shit and don't want anything remotely to this effect again. Also there was some wear and the magnetic drum had some scratches which he said will not be an issue. Let's see how this unfolds now.

Will get a reply on the coil tomorrow,Am hoping to sort this out with the coil,fingers crossed.




How do you rate that compared to ADON-P as it's half the price ( i,e 5Rs for 5ml), Which you find better among the two ??

Also What is your take on fuel from Essar ??



Thanks for the reply,No I did not fill it to the brim,else it would've perhaps taken 6.5 or so ! But as it took 6.16 the extra is cause of the ?? I suspect the tampering of the dispensing so that.....anyways I just stopped at that didn't allow him to continue.

This time I had no choice since I had emptied the tank and filling it correctly meant wasting of half a packet of more of the ADON-P, So settled for one pouch. However from the next time this problem won't exist as I usually fill when it touches red (i,e reserve) and reserve to reserve is usally 4.2-4.5L for me. So proper proportion will be taken care of. Good to hear it works,Earlier I use to use Bhardal in my car and since it was discontinued I searching for an regular available alternative. Now since this one is and as per you it works,Will surely use it regularly ! I don't use premium fuel anyways so that's not an issue.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Any motorcycle fuel tank shall take more if you fill to the brim , because the capacity mentioned in the book excludes an empty space above the petrol level . This space is essential for safe operation of the tank and it's venting systems . i.e don't fill to the brim .
If using ADON-P , use every time and in the right proportion of 1 ml to a liter , little more is better but not less . Do not use with premium petrols . I've tested it now I'm using one of those sachets for 4 liters . It's actually quite nice

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Glad your scoot back in good nick. And yes the tank capacity was 6 litres on older Activa's, Dio's, Aviator.. and was reduced to ~5.4L on the 110cc Activa/Dio. The aviator though continues to come with a 6 litre tank even today.
You can continue to use the additive Adon P, I do use it off and on on my Duke 200 (off and on because i switch between system g and adon p) and it does produce a noticeable difference in throttle response.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,


Okay I have sort of solved the problem,As per advice of the mechanic and also to confirm my own theory,I emptied the tank to absolute Zero and pushed my way to the BPCL bunk and refueled it full tank ( It took in 6.16L, WOW is that correct ? I mean isn't the tank capacity 5.5L ?) anyways after that I drove about 8Kms or so just to check and surprisingly or not so surprisingly it just flew without any issues with the same Iridium plug,No misfire no choking of the engine no nothing.

So I think I can summarise that it was indeed the fuel that was at fault and not the plug or the blocked carb or a dirty tank, I to be doubly sure I added the Petrol additive from IOC called "ADON" which costs 10Bucks for 5Ml,Supposed to be added to 5L of petrol.



So that's it I guess !

Regards.

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Hi,

I did wanted to post the pics of my mods or whatever one call but due paucity of time Am not able ( Been almost a year LOL )

Anyways here are some pics of the wheels



Anyways,Please do comment with any suggestions or feedback or anything at all !

Regards.

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Hi,

I did wanted to post the pics of my mods or whatever one call but due paucity of time Am not able ( Been almost a year LOL )

Anyways here are some pics of the wheels



Anyways,Please do comment with any suggestions or feedback or anything at all !

Regards.

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes off course that's why I took it to the current place had it checked,I don't want to be that "Penny wise pound foolish" guy ! I take utmost care of the wheels,clean it every day and have covered with the bike cover when not used.So don't want to spare anything in maintaining it to keep it in as close to as possible to showroom condition.

Yes that's the mystery,As it cannot be termed as total failure as it still works albeit for misfire or some odd nignags. I do intend to empty the tank (Essar Petrol) and fill from Bharat or Indian oil and see what happens if I put the Iridium back on.

Stock one had almost worn out hence instead of regular plug I switched Iridium,But I will tell however that with Iridium I do feel more power (better pickup,and instant push) as opposed to regular one. Also horn and headlight seems dull with regular where as with Iridium I feel both have more power.

After riding with couple of days with regular plug,yesterday after a thorough wash I did replace the regular with Iridium and certainly felt the above difference.

Hmm that's interesting as I had opposite thinking ! Highway rides are different,but with start/stop traffic I recon that the mileage will be low in city and short runs without much of traffic related issues mileage should be more.

Regards.

Re: Aviator Plug Related Issues

No idea why your plug failed, could be many reasons. And stay away from local spares, especially the engine/drive components like the belt/clutch shoes/springs etc..
Ideally stick to the stock plug (or stock ngk equivalent). I've used both for a significant no. of km and happy with them.
considering your usage, 35kmpl is pretty reasonable. The shorter trips you do the lower your FE will be. So say riding 3 km a day to run errands will result in lower FE than someone who does say 20km per day (10+10km) commuting to work, in which case it can easily return 40kmpl. And if you ride longer like say on a highway/minimum traffic it could go up-to 45kmpl.
This is my experience on my 2007 Dio that's clocked almost twice as much on the odo compared to yours.