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**Soundsgreat** · 03-09-2017, 02:58 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,

Let's know what the diagnosis is on the stator coil.

Have got the update,The coil plate assembly is fine only the pickup coil was replaced,Additionally the electrical system was checked post the coil replacement and there was weak current ( when held at a distance to the ground the sparking was not half as much as the test coil belonging to the the Activa) from the HT Coil (Ignition Coil) and hence it was decided to replace that as well so as to make it trouble free and avoid any future issues. But unfortunately it was not available at the many Honda official parts showroom nearby,There was one place which said they had stock ( Silicon Honda,Kengeri) which is like 30 odd Kms from the service center currently the vehicle is at. So going all the way for that is what is the challenge,But the mechanic has promised me that he will arrange it.

So with that Am hoping to close this chapter with the above,Also additionally the fuel tap (the unit below the tank) was also replaced just to be doubly sure of the proper fuel supply.

As for fuel brands, I do not see any difference among them. The main issue is adulteration and you never know which petrol bunk adulterates and who doesn't. One can't simply point a finger at a particular brand.. it comes down to the individual petrol stations..

Yes that's why I mentioned that it is a new bunk (so at least for six months to year it should be free of adulteration ) it's barely a month old now and also since it's private the quality of the fuel should be better than the great Govt PSU's ( irrespective of the bunk filled as I have tried all the bunks in the entire city of Bangalore, Hence I had only stuck to Shell as they are little bit more reliable (not that I think they are 100% adulteration free but much better compared to Govt).)

Both Adon-P and System-G cost almost the same. But Adon-P is available in different pack sizes i.e. (5ml pouch @9rs, 20ml plastic bottle@40rs ,and a 200ml plastic bottle) While system g is only available in a 200ml bottle@Rs380 IIRC. The advantage here being I can carry a couple of pouches or 20ml bottle under the rear seat on my Duke easily and use it while I am touring or even during regular fill ups.

No it's not same,As I mentioned earlier the System-G is half the price of the ADON-P. Also it is available in 5Ml sachet priced 5Rs.( taken from this thread here) ,where as ADON-P is 9Rs for the same 5Ml.

It is now going to be close to 2 years for my Activa 125 DLX with Disc brakes this has been my experience with my vehicle

Thanks for your feedback,I was looking at this as a next option to my current one ! So after reading your feedback it's obviously out !!

Oh one more thing. Honda has a 3 month cycle for service. So in a calendar year of 12 months Honda has 4 services. The problem is that in each service the bill will vary from Rs 1700 to Rs 2000. So in a year the cost of service is going to be Rs Rs 5100 to Rs 8000 per year. To put things into prespective the cost of servicing my car in a year is about Rs 8000. I had an Alto which I used to get serviced till 2015 for Rs 4000-Rs5000 per year. The Honda service center will charge about Rs 250-300 for 800 ml of Honda 2T oil. They will not use another oil. If we use it then they will refuse to touch the vehicle.

This absolutely preposterous, Why in the hell you have to spend 2K every 3months !! This is daylight robbery. That's why I never ever go to the Authorised or company service center ever ! I go to a local guy and ask him to use the original spares and get the vehicle done in my presence ( unless I trust the guy in which case will not be there althrough but will visit at least once a day if takes more than a day to complete the work).

Where do you live ? If In Bangalore can suggest some workshops for you.

Regards.

**s1d** · 03-09-2017, 03:41 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Soundsgreat View Post

No it's not same,As I mentioned earlier the System-G is half the price of the ADON-P. Also it is available in 5Ml sachet priced 5Rs.( taken from this thread here) ,where as ADON-P is 9Rs for the same 5Ml.

Thank you for the update on the coil issue.
The picture you posted is iftex system 23 while what we were talking about is iftex system-g. They are two different products sold by Iftex.
I've never seen the iftex 23 on the shelves and never used it. It is targeted towards 2/3 wheelers.
While iftex system g is targeted towards cars and can be used safely on fuel injected bikes based on my experience and experiences of fellow riders. Whereas Adon-P seems to be marketed for use on all petrol vehicles. Likewise System-D, Adon-D is for Diesel vehicles.
Adon is supposedly manufactured by Total- France and marketed here by IOC.. while am not sure if Iftex has some collaboration with some phoren entity or uses their proprietary blend. I really don't care as long as they work and more importantly don't cause any damages

**Soundsgreat** · 03-12-2017, 03:49 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi,

The picture you posted is iftex system 23 while what we were talking about is iftex system-g. They are two different products sold by Iftex.

Sorry my bad,In a hurry didn't verify the details.

I really don't care as long as they work and more importantly don't cause any damages

Yup that's the idea

Also another update,The HT Coil (Ignition Coil) was replaced and now the current issue is sorted,Alternatively he changed all the screws of the carb (Screw set is what he calls it), Now he says everything is in top order and I should not have anything to worry about now. So I should ideally be worry free and Am hoping to get a good mileage figure.

Total damage was close to 3K ( Had couple of other things changed while at it including back top cover above the tail light which had broken internally and was held with screws from outside which I hated).

Regards.

**addverma** · 03-14-2017, 07:15 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

39kmpl is good economy. forget the 'claimed' figures by honda. It also depends on how the scoot is used. Read my past couple of posts regarding this topic.
as for the kick starter, please get it checked by a mechanic. you might have to remove the left side case and clean it and lubricate. The kicks on these scoots are pretty 'swift and smooth'.
Once you are out of the warranty period, you can safely get it serviced every 2500-3000km or 4 months. And the oil Honda uses is good enough and cost is reasonable. Rs.1700 seems pretty high for a regular service, can post the break up from your recent bill ?
Try to find a local mechanic who can service you scoot.. prices will be much lower. I never went back to the service center after the 1st yr/ 4th service. The past 9 yrs it's been at the hands of a local mech (who only works on scoots) and it still is going strong at close to 70k km now with the only major parts replaced being the clutch components (clutch shoes,springs, rollers, drive belt).. the drive belt replaced at around 25k km(still have it with me as a spare) and the rest were replaced between 50k -62k on the odo. Again these parts had normal wear and tear (and not failed), and I decided to replace them considering the km the scoot had clocked. I still keep them replaced parts aside as spares if needed in case of emergency.

Here is the breakup of my recent bill. Out of the table given below the following items are related to clutch 5, 6, 7, 8 and 15.

1)	Engine Oil	259.96
2)	Washer 12MM Drain	1.97
3)	O Ring Pinion Cap	39.48
4)	Boot Set	19.74
5)	Spring Clutch 6KGF	59.22
6)	Rubber Clutch DPR	35.53
7)	Oil Seal	92.78
8)	Collarseal	34.55
9)	Miscellaneous - Consumables	60
10)	Body Repair	600
11)	MRTB	50
12)	Screen Oil Filter R/R	50
13)	Body Wax	50
14)	CAM RR FR Brake R/R	105
15)	Face Moveable R/R	150
16)	Paid Service - Labour Charges	270
17)	Total Including taxes	2078

**s1d** · 03-14-2017, 08:06 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by addverma View Post

Here is the breakup of my recent bill. Out of the table given below the following items are related to clutch 5, 6, 7, 8 and 15.

Seems reasonable.. ideally those clutch components should last at-least 25k km. So you wouldn't have to change them every service. Without a visual inspection I can't say for sure if these items indeed required replacement. My Dio ran with the stock clutch components for at-least 40k km iirc.
What is MRTB? And I see body repair at Rs.600 and Wax Rs.50.
So essentially it would have been around 1000rs if you deduct the body repair, wax, clutch components and that brake cam(never had to replace mine so far) as these are not regular replacements but one off. If you ask me, the price charged seems very reasonable for a honda asc especially wrt labor.
If one keeps the throttle open and uses the brakes at the same time, it leads to premature wear of clutch components. So be aware of that.

**addverma** · 03-15-2017, 05:46 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Seems reasonable.. ideally those clutch components should last at-least 25k km. So you wouldn't have to change them every service. Without a visual inspection I can't say for sure if these items indeed required replacement. My Dio ran with the stock clutch components for at-least 40k km iirc.
What is MRTB? And I see body repair at Rs.600 and Wax Rs.50.
So essentially it would have been around 1000rs if you deduct the body repair, wax, clutch components and that brake cam(never had to replace mine so far) as these are not regular replacements but one off. If you ask me, the price charged seems very reasonable for a honda asc especially wrt labor.
If one keeps the throttle open and uses the brakes at the same time, it leads to premature wear of clutch components. So be aware of that.

About the Clutch component the technician said that clutch has to be repaired every 3000 kms. Ditto for Oil change, i.e. according to the serrvice center technician it has to be changed every 3000 kms. The body repair was due to some rattle noise coming in from th front of the body, ditto for the Wax. Next time I will make sure that I do not ask them to put Wax. Last time they even put nitrogen in my tires and charged me Rs 150 for the same.

90% I drive the vehicle and I do not keep the throttle open and use the brakes. When I am driving the vehicle and I have to break my throttle automatically goes to zero.

What I would like to know is how frequently does the Air Filter have to be changed for Activa 125? And what is the frequency of Oil Change for Activa 125?

**s1d** · 03-15-2017, 06:25 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by addverma View Post

About the Clutch component the technician said that clutch has to be repaired every 3000 kms. Ditto for Oil change, i.e. according to the serrvice center technician it has to be changed every 3000 kms. The body repair was due to some rattle noise coming in from th front of the body, ditto for the Wax. Next time I will make sure that I do not ask them to put Wax. Last time they even put nitrogen in my tires and charged me Rs 150 for the same.

90% I drive the vehicle and I do not keep the throttle open and use the brakes. When I am driving the vehicle and I have to break my throttle automatically goes to zero.

What I would like to know is how frequently does the Air Filter have to be changed for Activa 125? And what is the frequency of Oil Change for Activa 125?

That's BS on the clutch 'repair' every service. One just needs to inspect and maybe clean it.. that's about it. Replacement will usually not be needed for at-least 25k km.
Oil change yes, every 3000km should be your upper limit.
Nitrogen, again a scam. Stick to 'air' for 5 bucks (it contains about 70% nitrogen anyway!)
Air filter, ideally every 10000km (or a little earlier.. if you ride in dusty conditions) depending on how dirty it is. Honda provides a 'viscous' type air filter that can only be replaced and not really 'cleaned'(probably a tactic to make more money selling spares)

Change the service center if possible and stick around during a service.

**supratik** · 03-23-2017, 12:03 AM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

yes, all you need is a multimeter to do the checks I mentioned. Do the voltage checks I mentioned in my first reply and let me know the values. Since you mentioned the battery lasts a few days I won't be surprised if there was a slow parasitic current drain (there is a different way to check if this is happening).. But first let's start off with the multimeter measuring the voltages.

Hi
Finally got the SVC to replace the RR unit which seemed to be the culprit in this case. Checked with a multimeter at the time of delivery and the voltage showed 12.7 with ignition off and went upto ~13.6 after starting the engine and even higher when the engine was being revved.

Will keep you posted

**s1d** · 03-23-2017, 12:11 AM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by supratik View Post

Hi
Finally got the SVC to replace the RR unit which seemed to be the culprit in this case. Checked with a multimeter at the time of delivery and the voltage showed 12.7 with ignition off and went upto ~13.6 after starting the engine and even higher when the engine was being revved.

Cool, just as suspected. But did they do a before (with old rr unit) and after (with new rr) voltage tests?
btw, how much did the rr unit cost ?

**supratik** · 03-25-2017, 04:06 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Cool, just as suspected. But did they do a before (with old rr unit) and after (with new rr) voltage tests?
btw, how much did the rr unit cost ?

Not sure if they did the test you mentioned - i got them to open the hatch and tested with the multimeter. Hope nothing else is wrong (wiring harness etc)

It was some 520 INR

**sarinsari92** · 03-29-2017, 10:28 PM

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Hello,I got a problem with idle rpm speed on my dio,its varying continuously.it goes as low as 680rpm and the next few seconds it climbs above 1800rpm and in the next second it falls to 1000rpm or below and the whole process repeats again,I can hear the engine sound rising and falling when I listen carefully.I used a digital tachometer to check it,earlier it was a steady 1600+50/90 rpm and never fell below 1600.
Not sure if its related to the fuel petcock which was changed few days back as it was leaking and I noticed the rpm issue this morning,after a ride.
Can someone help me out

**B7ACKTHORN** · 03-30-2017, 04:28 AM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by sarinsari92 View Post

Hello,I got a problem with idle rpm speed on my dio,its varying continuously.it goes as low as 680rpm and the next few seconds it climbs above 1800rpm and in the next second it falls to 1000rpm or below and the whole process repeats again,I can hear the engine sound rising and falling when I listen carefully.I used a digital tachometer to check it,earlier it was a steady 1600+50/90 rpm and never fell below 1600.
Not sure if its related to the fuel petcock which was changed few days back as it was leaking and I noticed the rpm issue this morning,after a ride.
Can someone help me out

Check if your vacuum hoses if any on the carburettor are installed properly, and did they fiddle with the carburettor setting or did they remove the carburettor? If yes, get the manifolds tightened properly and if they filled with the AFR mixture, I'd suggest get that checked too.

Cheers!
VJ

**sarinsari92** · 03-30-2017, 10:19 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

Check if your vacuum hoses if any on the carburettor are installed properly, and did they fiddle with the carburettor setting or did they remove the carburettor? If yes, get the manifolds tightened properly and if they filled with the AFR mixture, I'd suggest get that checked too.

Cheers!
VJ

thank you for the reply,
I checked with the mechanic who installed the fuel petcock,the vacuum hoses and manifold were fine.He tired to adjust the AFR screw today and ran into a bigger problem,the AFR screw,it was not responding;the screw was turning but engine was not responding to the turns,the throttle screw is working fine but rpm was still fluctuating as before.
Finally,the mechanic decided to swap the carburetor for testing only;he had one in reserve(I have to return it) but kept the jets and AFR screw from my carburetor and it was working fine after that,it turns out my carburetor is the culprit.But I still have no clue what happened to it,the bowl was clean just like brand new,the jets were also fine.
About a year ago the AFR screw was replaced as the old one got stuck and we had to drill it out could that be it

,other than that the only thing left to test is the TPS sensor,but can it go bad just like that and does it effect the rpm?

**s1d** · 03-31-2017, 03:07 AM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by sarinsari92 View Post

thank you for the reply,
I checked with the mechanic who installed the fuel petcock,the vacuum hoses and manifold were fine.He tired to adjust the AFR screw today and ran into a bigger problem,the AFR screw,it was not responding;the screw was turning but engine was not responding to the turns,the throttle screw is working fine but rpm was still fluctuating as before.
Finally,the mechanic decided to swap the carburetor for testing only;he had one in reserve(I have to return it) but kept the jets and AFR screw from my carburetor and it was working fine after that,it turns out my carburetor is the culprit.But I still have no clue what happened to it,the bowl was clean just like brand new,the jets were also fine.
About a year ago the AFR screw was replaced as the old one got stuck and we had to drill it out could that be it

,other than that the only thing left to test is the TPS sensor,but can it go bad just like that and does it effect the rpm?

I don't think there is a tps on the old activa.
bad idle could be due to air leak somewhere.. possibly that drilling or a bad sealing of the carb.
try to get a new screw(and rubber washer if any) , the carb rubber gasket and clean carb thoroughly, put it back together and see if it works.

**sarinsari92** · 03-31-2017, 03:23 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

I don't think there is a tps on the old activa.
bad idle could be due to air leak somewhere.. possibly that drilling or a bad sealing of the carb.
try to get a new screw(and rubber washer if any) , the carb rubber gasket and clean carb thoroughly, put it back together and see if it works.

thank you,
I will get a new screw and carburetor gasket,but it worked fine for one year after the drilling.I have a 2013 dio it has a TPS,Is there some way to test the TPS?
There is a air suction sound when idling;at low rpm,I never gave much thought to it,is it normal?

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