Re: KTM 200 Duke

Sounds good. Just like I thought, Duke needs a little bigger change to feel the difference in acceleration...
Damn, that little 200cc engine has such a good punch! Yeah, people also look pale at me when I say I can easily hit 134 kmh rev limiter with a pillion and tank and saddle bags (mine is 43T but remapped ECU that maxes at 10,000 rpm in 6th, or in fact I think it is more like 10,150 rpm)...

That's some really valuable info for anyone who is interested in sprocket change!
I was doubtful about the 40T sprocket, if it would be too much (42T doesn't make much difference, make sense only when I have to change the chain and sprockets), and 41T seemed like a better option between keeping the acceleration and increasing the top speed. Well, probably it is for those who value acceleration much higher than top speed...

Your experience puts some things into perspective. I think many people will be delighted to see that the mileage has noticeably increased with taller sprocket.
Actually, I read somewhere that Duke 125 has 14T at front and 42T at rear, KTM was just lazy to give Duke 200 better gearing. And then they went over board about it with D390 and its tall gears, hehe...

Those top speed figures are very interesting. 40T rear sprocket would top at 149 kmh at 10,500 rpm, and for sure it WOULD reach that speed. Newer Dukes that max at 10,000 rpm (10,150 in fact) would top at around 144 kmh with 40T. That's JUST with sprocket change.

@shv18, I suppose your question got answered - it looks like the "real" top end of Duke 200 with stock ECU is easily 145 kmh, or 150 kmh with enough road... Just a cheap sprocket change.
And not to be underestimated - Duke's speedo is quite accurate, so at the same top speeds other bikes would show 7 to 10 kmh higher speed... Not bad for a "naked" bike!

Wow, what to expect then with Kiirus ECU AND 40T sprocket??? And MRA windscreen to cut through the air nicely...
Soon to be seen!!!

Duke 200 definitely has a lot of potential for improvements.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Yeah, you bet it has. The kiirus ECU I would rather use with a 41T sprocket, the kiirus map has a stronger bottom end: my acceleration even with the 41T would be as good as stock and the top speed would be around 149-150kmph, even more as the rev limit would be 11.7k rpm. But the bike won't struggle to reach 150 just like a stock bike hits 138 and the MRA windscreen would make it even easier.
So, in short, nothing would come close to a duke except the bigger duke. Same acceleration with a much better top end, sounds really good.



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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Well glad to see there are riders who have already gone ahead with such attempts.. An xbhp member from Colombia had sent me this youtube video with 38T and ECU Remap of a guy from Malaysia. My guess is it is the same guy who's videos we have been checking out.



I am sure ECU remap will push it further. As mentioned earlier I had seen two Duke 200s undergoing the ECU mapping done by Motozone guys while i was getting my hot roded FZ sorted out, so just out of curiosity i checked out today with them regarding what is the difference between their map and the KIIRIUS. They told me, they can provide a Duke 200 stock ecu with a custom map if the rider wished to own a separate one and keep the stock ECU intact and apparently they have somehow bypassed the rev limiter cutting off at 10,000 rpm @6th Gear on their map so the bike will continue pulling beyond the the set rev limiter. They can also provide a version of map which has no rev limiter..

Now please don't consider this as a promotion from my end but just want to share what is available in the market :

Motozone Performance: https://www.facebook.com/motozoneperformance
Mr. Vikram: +91-9975607055

I guess if you go overgearing too much then one will have to lose out on the initial acceleration and have a greater top end.

Cheers,

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Yeah, I would also prefer the 41T, but does any bike have this sprocket? Which would fit Duke?

Kiirus actually cuts at 11.5k rpm, been confirmed to me by Kiirus.

Actually, cc for cc (200 over 375), Duke 200 rocks over Duke 390. Stock ECU Duke 390 dies out at 165-170 kmh before reaching the rev limiter, and Stock ECU Duke 200 with taller gears dies out at 150 kmh.

Here's another crazy video of Duke 200 doing 168 kmh! Here he's doing 150+ kmh even slightly uphill. So much about Duke 390...

ktm duke 200 top speed malaysia - YouTube

From the Youtube comments, the owner's friend says he thinks the ECU is without rev limiter. But at 4:18 you can clearly hear how he hits the rev limiter at 168 kmh, so it looks like this is stock ECU!!! The bike also has 38T sprocket @karticraja and removed the air intake box so the engine has more air. I think the last bit is quite important. I remember reading one biker from Australia who tried D200 when it was released recommending to cut the air intake pipe shorter so more air can go in, because the stock pipe is too long. Makes sense to give the engine more air for better performance...

EDIT:
@shv18 - haha, you beat me posting the same video!
Interesting info about Motozone... I guess I'll call him in the morning and check out.
Although I already fixed the meeting and ECU remap with Kiirus guys...

EDIT 2:
At their FB page Motozone say their Duke 200 ECU remap revs up to 12,500 rpm but with an exhaust and Pipercross air filter, and has the top speed of 145-150 kmh.
We don't know about the actual performance across the rev range. Kiirus ECU has much improved power over the stock ECU in same rpms.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

may be. But if someone tells me that these would last 20 K atleast, I'd be ready to start thinking of the possibility If they are indeed that good as they are made out to be, then I think they'd be great to ride with. In fact few months back, when I was complaining of tyre slippages on even dry Mumbai roads I had located the rear Metz at around 13K on an online tyre retail portal

I find that screen very undesirable and I am being polite here. I know some people like to think function over form and hence the luggage carriers welded to the frame and other such mods but I am not one of those. I'd always go for the dumb supermodel girl with looks to kill who I know will eventually break my heart(and may be bank, whatever it is there to break), than the erudite and intelligent but with ordinary looks girl who I know would make for a better life partner . what? Shallow you say? Oh yeah, I identify with the Benarasi Ranjhna who gets himself killed chasing the hot girl
May be one looks for things which one doesn't have
Oh man. I envy you. Can't tell you how hard I tried getting that old map back from the svc guys!! All in vain
That's some excellent info there. I am sure people will find it very useful. I did not have these when I changed by chain-sprocket at around 9k on the odo. At that time I waskeen on overgearing, but ended up with the 42 T as I was too confused and info on duke sprocket mod experiences were scarce
THat's indeed food for thought my friend. We would now somehow have a 'more respectable' figure to tell the guy at the Chai Tapri!!!

Went on a smallish ride to Manor on Saturday. There was a company sponsored outing at the Silent Hill resort near Palghar. It didn't somehow rain at all on Saturday here and the ride was excellent save a busted fork seal. Aaaarggghhh..this is the 2nd time this has happened. Last time too it was monsoon
It was fine when I left for the ride, and since it didn't rain at all and the roads were dry,I feel it happened because of the gravel(Monsoon means more gravel on the road) that's hurled at the forks from the car/SUV tyres and given the fact that speed adds up in opposite directions, I can easily imagine a speck of gravel flying at 200 Kmph capable of doing enough damage.(That's a gross simplification, if the SUV is doing say 100, the gravels are surely not picked up and thrown back at 100, may be 50 odd as . Not sure though )

Re: KTM 200 Duke

As i have mentioned earlier, i personally haven't tried the remapped Duke's on that day as obviously it would be stupid on my part to ask someone else let me have a go on their ride who don't have clue who i am.. But yes i did see the guy popping a wheelie and coming back to these guys with a wide grin on his face while i was busy plonking in a Yoshimura FFE and tuning the carb on my FZ - X.

Personally, i would like to reserve my opinion about the Duke 390 till the ownership thread comes alive on xbhp and people start messing around with their rides.. I have a feeling that 390 is capable of crossing 170+kmph band by 15-20 kms higher given a proper after market treatment from various tuning houses.

Agreed with your views about the Metzelers. Price Vs Performance Vs How many kms it would last is something to calculate before writing a cheque to the dealer. Duke 200 ownership costs are still at par with the other bikes in the same category or atleast the price band it is in. If the Metz don't last more than 10 - 15k then the ownership costs will be too high. Having said that, i guess we can put a DUke 390 in the premium segment where it is expected from the user who buys such a vehicle is not bothered about FE, ownership costs but the pure pleasure of owning a fast street bike.

Regarding the Windshield, though i agree that the looks mean different to people with different tastes and requirement. But just that the windblast is such a major deterrent at high speeds that one tends to lean over to such a contraption rather than feeling drained after covering a long ride.

I don't own a KTM 200 but would like to know what are the basic ownership costs as per say replacing oil seal and stuff.. If any of you riders would be so kind to provide me a compilation of the costs or direct me to the page where it has been extensively discussed i would be grateful.


Cheers,

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Nope, they'll last half of 20K km.
That price is only for one tire. Another
And nope again, they're not THAT great as they're made to be. At every launch of every new bike people are raving how good the tires are (I remember they were saying the same even at Apache's debut with their super slippery TVS tires!). The guy who's been riding D390 for 7K km said the Metz aren't that great in wet. KTM's main engineer said Metz are only slightly better than MRFs in dry but much better in wet.
I think that spin [MENTION=56299]dishayu[/MENTION] had the other day had more to do with Duke's light weight at the back (and pick up, not to be underestimated), and that would happen even with Metz if one would fully open the throttle in mid corner. But surely would spin less than MRFs...


Hm, I actually like the way it looks. We could have a poll...
BUT - the best thing about it is that it can be easily mounted and dismounted (and adjusted as well), and I will use it only when touring.
I definitely won't be using it around the city! I agree, in city that windscreen would look little ridiculous, out of place... On highways it's a different story. I don't think I'll meet ANY girl on a highway, hot or not...

Re: KTM 200 Duke

No point going for an ECU which would let us rev till 12.5k rpm but under no load(ideal conditions). I mean, I don't think revving more is any good if your bike is not making power at those rpm. Add to this the amount of stress at 12.5k rpm.
I would rather make my ride faster without much of an added stress on the mill. The 41T sprocket along with kiirus map seems to be the best way for the time being.

About the 390 not being as good, well its not exactly like that. It is because of ktm's I should not say, messed up gearing. The 6th gear is so tall that even with all that power and torque the bike is not able to rev to its redline. Theoretically the top speed with the 6th gear at 10.5k rpm should be around 200kmph or more(such high gearing is an overkill for a 43bhp machine).
If we lower the gearing on the 390, we would be able to make it even faster.
How is the question..the lowered gearing would result into a better acceleration and when we engage the 6th gear with the lowered gearing, we would now let the torque to more efficiently pull the bike to its redline because the load would be less.
So, say the bike does a 160 at 8.5k rpm, now with the lowered gearing the bike would at least be able to do 170-175kmph(may be more but still way less than 200kmph of the stock gearing,) at 10.5krpm simply because the lowered gearing would enable it to rev it to its redline easily.

Ps: All the figures quoted was just an example and not actual numbers or based on any calculations.

Edit: we can have an even badass 390 like the way I mentioned above, the only drawback would be (not for me though) that the bike would be a little less relaxed while cruising and it might become a little less frugal (its already not very good).

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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Quick query,
Does anyone have a clue which bike has the rear 41T sprocket?? ZMA as we all know has 40T but so far i have not been able to figure out which bike would have a 41T in the Indian market or may be one can approach after market sprocket sellers may be rope in Rolon if there is enough demand..

Cheers,

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi guys need some help,
switched to fully synthetic oil after 1st servicing..now the bike is smoother than ever...returning 45 ish FE in city and highway rides...vibrations are also minimal...
I do occasional bursts to 90-100kmh on dry and empty highways...in 5th gear...6-7K RPM...and the bike doesnt feel its under stress or anything..
does it mean the running in phase was successful???
plz any feedback from any experienced rider will be helpful..

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Even I tried searching a lot for a 41T rear sprocket but I guess none of the indian bikes come with one.

I generally take care not to exceed the mentioned rpm during the run in period frequently.
Even during the so called sane riding period one should load the engine occasionally by revving it to say 9k rpm in gear and then let the engine braking reduce the speed. One should never maintain a constant speed, it should be varied continuously.
Occasional short bursts of speed with a lot of engine braking would ensure that the piston ring seats in well.
Once I am done with first service then I start riding normally. Have done this with 3 bikes in the past and all of them have been really good performers.
You should start riding normally now without worrying too much about run in.

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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Yes it does. Now forget everything about the running in process and check how quick your wrists are Enjoy your bike man!!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

yes man I am...spent 2 hours yday cleaning every inch of it...saw it in the morning in the parking all shiny...fell in love once again..!!!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Got to ride my D200 yesterday after the remap. It has become quite smooth, but has become maniacal. It just shoots like its ass is on fire. Roads where I did 60, now I regularly see 70.

I desperately want to go on a ride to check the top end, and other stuff. Any Dukers from New Bombay/Bombay want to join this weekend?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Wow! now I at least know someone who has got the remap and can give me genuine figures. Keep us updated.

Two thumbs up for the mod. Enjoy your ride man, ride safe!

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