Re: KTM 200 Duke

So, I called Vikram from Motozone, and asked him everything.
Their ECU map is Rs 10k. They also sell a new ECU unit imported from Italy with their map for 15k.
Their rev limiter is "just below 12k rpm", but they can also provide one with 13k rpm rev limiter.
He said it's not a problem you're toll 13k rpm, it just shouldn't be done for really long time.
The power is also stronger across the rev range, especially in lows and mids.

They also have an air filter for Rs 3,500, which supposedly increases performance considerably. Especially in combination with ECU remap.
I might fiddle with the stock filter and that pipe and see what difference it makes. It SHOULD make a difference.

However, he told me the same thing Abhishek from Kiirus told me about the top speed - top speed is limited by speedo in the console and not the ECU. It will depend on a bike. Apparently the older lots have no limit or higher limited top speed than newer Dukes.
BUT, if you send them the speedo unit that is inside the console they can change some switches and wires (supposedly not a complicated thing) for Rs 1000, and ship it back.

So that clears the top speed limitation question...


Haha, I think nobody will want to ride with you any more out of fear they'll be left behind, behind, behind...

Enjoy your ride mate!
I'm getting my Kiirus ECU remap tomorrow afternoon!

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Don't want to play spoilsport to your enthusiasm but as a fellow rider i would still recommend trying the Sprocket mod first and then going for the ECU remap. I hope you are well aware of the possible consequences should anything goes wrong, you are prepared to pay the price for the replacement kits or anything that may crop up. Always remember any kind of changes and fiddling around will alter the life of the stock part compared to a souped up one. The same has been also mentioned by the video creator/sharer himself on the videos we have shared.

Besides that if you still feel that going for this mod will help you achieve what you are after at the cost of stock reliability then all is well. until someone puts up a long term test report i would advise other riders to kindly hold on to horses as these brave souls carry on with the path of hot roding. SHould they succeed this arduous and awesome journey then well you can surely join the gang!!

All the best mate..


Cheers,

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thanks.
No worries. All we have is to be enjoyed, same as life, and better if it is enjoyed full 100%. I'd rather my bike lasts 3 years and I have hell of a great time with it than to treat it and ride it gently like a precious Splendor and have it for 10 years.

Yes, of course I'm aware of fiddling with parts. I don't think disconnecting some wire from speedo that has no other purpose but to tell the ECU "hey, this guy has reached the top speed, stop the fuel!" will make a stock part any worse. In fact, I'm very sure it won't, it will correct the "anomaly". And if i decide to cut some air pipe I'll make sure before that the new one isn't expensive.
But of course - my bike, my responsibility, which I bear fully.

My first reason for upgrade is more power, faster acceleration. Top speed is only the second. So, the ECU remap makes all the sense. And even when I put 40T sprocket to the back, and if the acceleration suffers then I'll revert back to stock sprocket.
Right now, I think that putting 40T with Kiirus ECU will still have a very good acceleration, and will accelerate even faster but with less noise about it. Something like Duke 390. It will just "feel" as if it's not accelerating fast. But I'll try and see and go for the best combination.

ECU remap is nothing new or special. In West almost everybody does it to their bigger bikes almost straight out of showroom. Anything for more HP... It's just changing a power delivery curve because stock one is NOT the best, contrary to popular belief that "manufacturer knows best". Manufacturer's goal is not to make a best bike but to SELL most bikes and make GOOD profit, with power that will appease to as many people as possible. Which means compromise between tuned down power for "regular" folks, and a best possible power delivery for power lovers. Simple as that. Nothing secret or special about it. Just good business.

Heck, Kiirus ECU remap even offers smoother revs (as reported by [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] ) but also a better mileage. Not "just" more power...
One of the first things I noticed in Duke, literally some 20km out of the showroom upon my delivery, is that the power delivery wasn't done that well, that whoever mapped the stock ECU didn't do a good job. Even if you would limit Kiirus ECU at same 10,500 rpm as stock ECU, it would have been better. Not just more powerful but smoother, with more efficient mileage, simply a better tuned power delivery. (BTW, this is a problem that is known even in bigger Dukes - KTM sucks with their stock ECU maps.)

ECU remaps are a good thing. Very good thing. If a particular map is good, of course... And not at all expensive for what you get, which is a lot.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hey guys plzzzz can u all suggest a good powerful whitish or bluish headlight for my duke 200 as this is the 3rd time i hav met with an accident bcoz of the shitty lights of duke200. I desperately need those whitish/bluish super powerful lights for my bike as most of my riding is during nite time on super bad mumbai roads and i am tired of getting sudden pothole suprises in front of me during my nite rides. PLzzzz help me out and yeah i dont want those HID or PROJECTOR lights as i thnk those round lights make duke look ugly,i jus want a simple powerful white light which will serve the purpose. Please reply guys

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Pure white though looking good is considered less useful as an illuminating light. I certainly agree to the fact that the duke lamp is woefully inadequate, but try to get a good aftermarket yellow bulb. Anyways, yellow or not, I have heard the phillips extreme vision is good so is the ultinon. I think ultinon has been used by someone in this thread itself. Try searching. I know many xbhp guys who use extreme vision. Some in the Ninja forum and may be CBR forum too

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Will it void the warranty..??

Re: KTM 200 Duke

No, it won't void the warranty as its the same wattage bulb.

Sent from my GT-I9100

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What is the cost and length of Duke's rear and front brake line ? Are these steel braided lines?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thank you for the advice, but, as Serge replied, we are aware of what we are getting into, and ready to pay the price. As Serge explained well, we dont plan to die with this bike, we want to enjoy every moment we spend with it.

Hence the urge.

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Me and Abhay are planning for a weekend ride to Amby Valley from Mumbai. Anybody interested in joining us?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Phillips extreme vision is the best if you want good illumination using from since 15 days in my 220 you will be amazed by its light throw. You can also try nightbreakers but it has some reliability issues.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

We were looking for a fairly stock D200 with us, his being a Stock Sprocket ECU mapped, mine being a 39T Stock ECU. Just to do a proper comparo of all the 3 kinds. With Indra sleeping, cornering also might be very much possible.

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I am glad that all of you gentlemen are taking such a mature approach. Wish you and Abhay a fun filled and safe journey.

I would like to put forward a request from my end if it is not too much to ask:

* Besides concentrating on the high speed runs, try and observe if you notice any change in behaviour, fuelling or speed and the rush the moment you start climbing a higher altitude. Based on what i have learned from extensive tests with RD Powertronic ECU on R15s, they are very finicky when it comes to a sudden change in barometric pressure and air temperature.. Unless Duke has barometric sensor. I guess it is an open loop system.

* R15 stock ECU has multiple switchable maps which allows it to select the best map required for a particular change in the environment even though it is an open loop system. It would be a good idea to test if the bike shows any coughing or lean tuning with the change in altitude.

* I am sure you guys are already very happy with the remap at sea level.. but purely for touring purpose how versatile will be the new map in accommodating the weather changes and loads to the engine will be something interesting to look at I honestly don't know if the stock ECU has a single map or multiple maps.

* Do look at any changes in 0-100 kmph timings if you do find a section where it is plain but at a certain altitude.

If an elaborate testing from gentlemen like you and others who have gone for such after market tuning can be shared with us all, i guess i would definitely learn a thing or two from it and so will the others.

All the best guys


Cheers,

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Yes, thats the plan, to check all the aspects. Why dont you join us with your souped up FZ. Serge, where are you buddy. Whats the update on your Kiirus remap?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

i would have loved to but if you have read my recent posts on the thread FZ 18 http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...e-fz18-47.html the RC kit has already showing signs of going bust with oil consumption. Don't want to sway the discussion from here. Would request any Duke rider to confirm if they see an O2 Bung/ Lambda sensor welded into the exhaust? I am not sure about the ECU set up on Duke 200 hence, the query. If you do have a closed loop system then more or less the ECU tuning is safe according to my understanding:

1) If KIIRIUS has mapped it slightly aggressive but kept a leeway for the ECU to take over when needed and there is a major change in the environment then with the O2 sensor the ECU will try and make changes in the fuelling.

2) On 6th gear, the ECU/Speedo sensor cutting off the rpms @10,000 -10,500 rpms will not allow the rider to go beyond the set rev limit. Thus, the rider can gather speed on the first 5 gears @ 11,500-11,700 rpms and then put it on 6th gear as an overdrive gear to maintain the speed without actually crossing the set rpm cut off limit hardcoded onto your bike thus keeping your ride well within the safe limit of the factory stock standards.

3) Instead of cutting the air pipe to shorten it, may be using a better Free Flow air filter will yield you the same result? BMC/Pipercross filters may be a good addition to your kitty.

I guess its time to snoop around my neighbour's KTM 200 and try and find out more..

All the best guys..

Cheers,

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[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] : Buddy, did you remap the ECU? Waiting for your update.