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Old oil do tend to smoke out the sight glass over time, but the sight glass can be temporarily "look" sooted or blackened after a ride, as the oil is splashed all over. One good idea to check is park the bike overnight and check the level next day, that will give you a perfect oil reading, provided the bike is parked on a level surface. Rest, what fellow Bhpians said. Would also like to see the picture of your sight glass, especially after leaving the bike stand overnight.Originally posted by ananthu View PostI am approaching a year of ownership and have been extremely pleased with everything from the service to the way the bike has been so far. Just completed my first paid service a few days back and that's when I noticed something alarming. My oil view port appears to have smoked up. Did my bike burn the oil it had in there? No smoke from the exhaust yet other than the occasional white smoke on cold starts on cool mornings. It is mildly worrying cause there is a possibility that something is seriously wrong. I would love some feedback on this. I usually check oil and coolant levels every week but missed a check a week or so earlier. The bike isn't behaving unusually at all, but this does slightly worry me.
P.S I did get my cracked air box replaced under warranty during the service and there was some mild oil deposit in the filters. Could this be an after effect?
Cheers!
VJ
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The girl said, 'NO!'
And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.
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The oil level is fine, it is just that I am unable to judge the oil quality from the smoked viewport. I will be draining the oil again today evening to see if there is any degradation. But the oil is only a week old, so it is most likely fine. I will post another picture of the viewport once I check the oil.Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostOld oil do tend to smoke out the sight glass over time, but the sight glass can be temporarily "look" sooted or blackened after a ride, as the oil is splashed all over. One good idea to check is park the bike overnight and check the level next day, that will give you a perfect oil reading, provided the bike is parked on a level surface. Rest, what fellow Bhpians said. Would also like to see the picture of your sight glass, especially after leaving the bike stand overnight.
Cheers!
VJ
Must ride on!
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The oil looks ok. Coming to the sight glass, can you try and clean it with a bit of soapy rag/diesel from the outside and see if it clears it up. If not, am afraid you might have to change that glass (am not sure if it can be done without removing the crank case). If your bike is under warranty , ask them to fix it up and don't pay a penny.Originally posted by ananthu View PostThe oil level is fine, it is just that I am unable to judge the oil quality from the smoked viewport. I will be draining the oil again today evening to see if there is any degradation. But the oil is only a week old, so it is most likely fine. I will post another picture of the viewport once I check the oil.
Also try to use an oil flushing additive and change the oil.. and would be a good idea to check the oil for any metal chips/foreign objects. The sight glass usually doesn't get cloudy at-least for a 4-5 years. It's plastic after all.
btw, did you use any chemicals/cleaners for cleaning the bike ? because sometimes these can cause discoloration on that plastic glass..Last edited by s1d; 01-10-2017, 11:30 AM.
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An update to my 'high coolant temperature' issue.
Got following things done over the weekend to my three year old, 16,000kms run Duke 390.
1. Coolant replacement. New coolant added is Motocool Expert.
2. Battery replaced with OEM.
Unrelated to this issue, I got the brake fluid also changed since it was already three yeas.
As usual, I got the dreaded message last night while returning home from work. The same old problem.
I got the job done at Torq92 located in Sahakarnagar. Expensive place without giving that kind of service. The diagnosis done there was that the issue could be due to weak battery. I gave the benefit of doubt to them as few months back, I had completely drained the battery by leaving the ignition key in 'ON' position for two days. Had to get it charged. Recently, I got 'Low Battery' message when I left the parklight turned on for ~5mins without the engine running.
Though many have suggested fan maybe an issue, I am not convinced because I don't get this message if headlight (parklight is fine) is NOT turned on. Infact, my mid-morning commute is terrible compared to my night commute. As long as the headlight is not turned on, the heat gauge doesn't go beyond two bars short of max whereas if I put the headlight on it reaches to that point and reaches there very quickly.
Below is some good info shared by a fellow member Doga. Wish I had seen this earlier! Next weekend will get this checked.
Members here might recall my numerous heating issue related posts. It was like mosquito menace, no matter which repellant, you use, they'll come back after a while.
I had almost learned to live with it, what with the dreaded message flashing everyday. I'd see the message, then feel the fan blowing hot air on my legs and keep on riding waiting for the bars to come down back to the normal region.
I had been complaining to the svc for it but they were least receptive, because this issue won't ever present itself in the svc ever. It was like the ailment refuses to manifest itself in the form of symptoms just when the doctor arrives
Read up a lot on the net and was convinced that the bike was running lean(which leads to higher engine temp), may be due to the fi system(mainly fuel pump/injector) being clogged with fuel dirt which would result in less fuel injected meaning a lean mixture.
I had even gotten the fuel pump pressure checked to rule out lower pressure, but the reading was perfectly normal. Had my spark plug changed fearing a faulty spark might also lead to this condition.
It's all there on this thread!! I had almost given up and had decided to live with it and not loose sleep and simply get the piston block/entire engine block changed whenever the inevitable seizure happens. After all, like all KTM parts, they do not cost a limb!
These were the symptoms/observations :
1) There was never a coolant overspill from the reservoir, which normally happens in these case. I had never seen a green tinge on my radiator cover or anywhere on the bike. May be it'll simply explode one day I thought
2) On the numerous svc visits, the fan would religiously turn on at 96 C and turn off at 89 C. It sometimes took more than 10 minutes to shut down in this process though.(I'll come back to this later)
3) The bike would normally be 1 bar less than the max normal even when riding at 100kmph and very rarely at 2 bar less.
4) Even when the fan turns on and then shuts off, the temp bar would be at the max normal region or 1 bar less and after 1-2 minutes the bike would again start showing "high coolant temperature" and this time the fan would many times won't even start. This led me to believe that the temp sensor had developed a fault or/and the fan motor is faulty or has grown weak.
5) This one is strange: The display would have sudden appearance of 1-2 extra bars as soon as I entered my office parking. I was perplexed and later ascribed it to the parking being a closed area with no wind assistance for the radiator at low speeds of 10kph
6) There were no other/strange noises from the engine when the "high coolant temp" message was displayed or a sudden drop in performance was noticed, though at times I could feel the pickup dropping a bit, may be mental only.
Went to the SVC last weekend after taking an appointment as the issue persisted even after the advised coolant replacement by the KTM engineer.
I had demonstrated this issue to the head mech Rehman when I had my tyres replaced 3 weeks back. This was the one time when I could reproduce the issue. So I had at least confidence that I won't be laughed at when I present my case.
After a bit of testing, we realized that everything was fine with the bike ecu/sensors, since the diagnostic tool showed the fan to kick off at exactly 96C and bring the temp down to 89C. Just that the display would see a sudden spurt in the temp with rapid appearance of temp bars when ever the headlamp was turned on!! and sudden dip when it was turned off.
Rehman it seems had an idea about the problem.He quickly cut the wiring harness to check any loose/torn wires. Logic was that some wiring may be loose and the display(or the ecu module which reads the temp signal and calibrates the bars in the display) was being fed extra voltage from the loose/torn wires carrying the headlamp. Turned out the wires were all right.
He then tightened the bolt which he told me was the earthing point for the electricals (I think the chassis is used as the ground). He then proceeded to tighten some other bigger bolts/nuts which are rarely touched at the svc on a normal service. This would have a more taut chassis meaning a better connected continuous surface for grounding and also less vibrations!!!
And voila, no more "high coolant temperature"
So the issue was basically a false alarm because of loose connection/faulty earthing.
Now that I have the benefit of hindsight, I can say symptom number 5 was because I would turn on the low beam or the pilot lamp on entering the parking lot.
In fact I don't remember encountering this issue in daytime. I'd normally have the high temp message displayed in dusk(when pilot lamp is on) or at night with headlamp on.
Regarding symptom number 2, I'd ascribe the fan keeping on running for 10 minutes to be actually because of coolant performance degradation and the replacement certainly has had benefit. The fan turns off relatively fast.Most internet sources would recommend a coolant change every 12/15 months anyway.
So guys, all the more reason for you to insist on getting the nuts/bolts tightened at the svc preferably with a torque wrench as per the correct torque. A taut chassis is a delight to ride on in any case and all the more important as it's part of the electricals!!
PS :Got my paid service(not sure which number) done and the bike is now delight to ride with new rubbers, oil, filters
Last edited by NitinGirish; 01-10-2017, 05:09 PM.A lone amateur built the ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic...
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My front somehow survived 32000 KMs (80% City riding).Originally posted by NitinGirish View Post12,000 seems ok. Thats about how much I could manage to extract though there are people who would have extracted upto~15k.
Do not wait for the front to wear out. Replace the rear tyre. Else its a disaster waiting to happen!
It still had some life left but changed due to safety purposes and bad roads.2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2013 - KTM 390 Duke
2017 - Yamaha FZ25
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That could be a record mate!Originally posted by riazmomin View PostMy front somehow survived 32000 KMs (80% City riding).
It still had some life left but changed due to safety purposes and bad roads.Pegasus - 2011* - Hero Honda Karizma ZMR
Stallion - 2013* - Hero Karizma ZMR
Nemesis - 2016* - KTM Duke 390
Rocket - 2021* - KTM RC 390
Loki - 2022* - Kawasaki Versys 650
Moon Knight - 2022* - Hero Xpulse 200 4v
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Front lasts longer. That conversation was about rear tyre.Originally posted by riazmomin View PostMy front somehow survived 32000 KMs (80% City riding).
It still had some life left but changed due to safety purposes and bad roads.A lone amateur built the ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic...
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You can get this tube in car spare parts shop. Just find the tube with same diameter .Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
Radiator tube got bent in an accident.
Is it possible to change the tube alone. I asked in a svc they said, need to change the radiator also with tubes since it does not come as a separate spare part.
Don't need to change radiator due to this small issue.Live To Ride✌
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As said already. Check at Car or Heavy Vehicle spares shop for suitable diameter. These hoses are easily available. But fitting must be perfect else it would lead to more problems.Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
Radiator tube got bent in an accident.
Is it possible to change the tube alone. I asked in a svc they said, need to change the radiator also with tubes since it does not come as a separate spare part.
Retain those clamps as they might not be easily available.
It was mostly used in city and sane riding, so that kind of life is expected.Originally posted by niku View PostThat could be a record mate!
I replaced rear tire at 14000 KMs as it had puncture right in the middle of tire and i was going on multi day ride. Did not discard tire and kept it with me as it had lots tread left.
Replaced the send rear tire at 35000 KMs (Michelin PSR) with the old tire again.
So, in total rear tire has also done close to 23000 KMs.2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2013 - KTM 390 Duke
2017 - Yamaha FZ25
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It looks like the metal part of the tube from the radiator is bent (and so is the radiator), causing the actual radiator hose to kink. If the metal part is not damaged (and the rubber hose doesn't have any tear or crack) you could try to either 'unbend' the metal part or cut the rubber hose a bit so that it fits without a kink.Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View PostRadiator tube got bent in an accident.
Is it possible to change the tube alone. I asked in a svc they said, need to change the radiator also with tubes since it does not come as a separate spare part.
Am surprised to hear that the hose (rubber part) is not available as a spare. Please email ktm to confirm it's so, because I doubt it's very unlikely.
But if the metal part itself has gone for a toss (which it does look like), a radiator replacement is what svc will suggest (you could though try and get it welded/fixed outside.. be careful it's aluminum so go to someone who works on car radiators and they should be able to help you out)
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From what I see, the residue seems to be on the outside, clean the window with kerosene or petrol with a clean piece of rag and see if it makes any difference to the sight window. Here are what I would suggest you to do. Since you are replacing the oil, if you find the sight glass gummed up even after an outside clean, remove the clutch cover and replace the sight glass. Sight glass replacement IIRC does not require the removal of the clutch over, but it needs some experience as the removal of the oil seal and circlip and the glass itself is pretty tricky. Yes, you get the oil sight glass available separately.Originally posted by ananthu View PostThe oil level is fine, it is just that I am unable to judge the oil quality from the smoked viewport. I will be draining the oil again today evening to see if there is any degradation. But the oil is only a week old, so it is most likely fine. I will post another picture of the viewport once I check the oil.
Lucky you didn't rip your radiator apart. And your SVC is right, the radiator and the T piping that connects to the water pump and radiator is a separate one. First make sure your radiator doesn't have hair line cracks, good sign is there are no leaks. Secondly, replace the water pump to radiator couplingOriginally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
Radiator tube got bent in an accident.
Is it possible to change the tube alone. I asked in a svc they said, need to change the radiator also with tubes since it does not come as a separate spare part.
called as T CPL. With the way it in your bike, it can choke the coolant feed to the radiator and in turn make the bike run hot and stall, worse even a seizure.
Cheers!
VJ
Last edited by B7ACKTHORN; 01-11-2017, 01:28 AM.Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
The girl said, 'NO!'
And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.
THE END
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Its broken 6 months ago around 9k kms now it's 19k. No stall issue but it leaks coolant in heavy traffic from the top.
The pipe is broken inside but due to bent in it not leaks anything. The radiator too is little damaged.
When I use it in traffic and off roads make it leake coolant that the issue as of now. I hope it will be fixed with pipe change. I will try in car spare shop.
Thank you 🙂
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