Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

[judebrent]

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Welding (inside red box) is incorrectly done. Your entire brace is still gonna be offset from the central axis.
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All brackets are this way and they were explaining it to me as to why it was that way but I didn’t understand much. Also I checked out 2-3 new gixxers at the same showroom and they were the same. Some even worse

[MotoBlizzard]

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All brackets are this way and they were explaining it to me as to why it was that way but I didn’t understand much. Also I checked out 2-3 new gixxers at the same showroom and they were the same. Some even worse

Thats exactly what I told you initially. The manufacture of this brace is automated. The robots will weld according to the Blueprint thats fed into them. Changing this blueprint is a big deal and Suzuki like I said earlier is being an a**h*** because they dont want to correct the Blueprint.

What explanation did they give you for the brace and bracket welding being so incorrect? A local welding shop will do a better job than these people

Yeah I too have discovered that emailing thru Suzuki just reaches the local dealership who responded to me rather than someone from Suzuki which is very disappointing to say the least.

No it doesnt end up at the dealership. The message gets distributed to the dealership + Area, regional and zonal managers along with teh VP of Suzuki.

[PeasantCommuter]

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What if we make a combined effort somehow to notify Suzuki that we're aware of this problem and a lot of us are annoyed by it. Get a lot of Gixxer owner signatures? A joint letter?

Any ideas?

[MotoBlizzard]

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What if we make a combined effort somehow to notify Suzuki that we're aware of this problem and a lot of us are annoyed by it. Get a lot of Gixxer owner signatures? A joint letter?

Any ideas?

change.org start a petition

[judebrent]

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change.org start a petition

Anything existing or to be crated?

[MotoBlizzard]

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Anything existing or to be crated?

A petition has to be created. But before that, technical measurements and all that stuff has to be done so that if the petition goes across, Suzuki should know what they are looking for.

[PeasantCommuter]

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So today I got my bike inspected by the Suzuki Service Engineer of my region and he measured things and said the fairing seems to be in alignment even though I showed him visually that it's not and he acknowledged that the brace at the front is bent but he said he can't say why because he's not familiar with the intricacies of the design and his job is to see whether it's useable or not. He measured it and found it satisfactory but I didn't feel it was. He also did what I asked - drive it a little while keeping the handlebar in line with the bent pipe and as expected it was not moving straight.

Then it was compared to a brand new brace and that too has the same bend as we've found out in the earlier posts on this thread. So they concluded it's designed that way and not a defect in my particular bike(which we already know).

However since I wasn't satisfied with their answer what they've done is taken pictures of my bike from several angles and submitted a report(FTR?, FDR?) and sent it to the relevant department and the dealership guy who did the report told me this report also goes to Suzuki Japan.

Now I don't know what will happen but I've gone through the proper channel at least so we'll see...

[judebrent]

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What sort of mileage are FI users getting on a new bike?

[judebrent]

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So I went and got the bracket changed this morning. Here are some pics!



I haven’t ridden much besides the workshop and back home. So I’ll get some kms starting Monday and will come out with a more concrete update. But from what I see it’s better than before..

[B7ACKTHORN]

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I'd like to touch upon a few brief points from my brief riding experience on the Gixxer 155. Visually, as most of you guys would agree, there isn't any misalignment w.r.t the fairing or the overall viewability of the motorcycle. What though is an annoyance is the misalignment observed when the rider is on the saddle. From the weld that I've observed on the stay posted on the forum by you guys, I clearly fathom it's a design problem, rather than manufacturing defect. Here's why, from my experience.

Stays, from my experience run on very close tolerances, if they're even off by a few mm, the adjacent bolt/not or the adjoining part would have a hard time sitting flush with whatever it's bound to tighten. Personally, have observed this on many motorcycles, where a few mm of bent holders or a bent retainer would unduly stress the plastics and sometimes can even crack the plastics and the mounts when fastened this way.

The bike though visually is an irritant to the rider and causes a feel of misalignment, what I reckon though is Suzuki would have done their homework. There might be some repercussions if the square metal plate was to be welded center, perhaps it might affect some other geometry of the fairing or some other aspect of flush fitting element of the motorcycle and what not, that's best left to Suzuki themselves. But, I feel, such a big difference in weld blueprints can't happen that easily when OEMs have more stricter QC than 3rd party parts manufactures, so it's highly unlikely a manufacturing defect, rather a poorly thought out design.

I'd suggest you guys keep this in mind, yet try doing your bet to let Suzuki know what the pain points are from a customer's standpoint. Good luck guys!

Cheers!
VJ

[judebrent]

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I'd like to touch upon a few brief points from my brief riding experience on the Gixxer 155. Visually, as most of you guys would agree, there isn't any misalignment w.r.t the fairing or the overall viewability of the motorcycle. What though is an annoyance is the misalignment observed when the rider is on the saddle. From the weld that I've observed on the stay posted on the forum by you guys, I clearly fathom it's a design problem, rather than manufacturing defect. Here's why, from my experience.

Stays, from my experience run on very close tolerances, if they're even off by a few mm, the adjacent bolt/not or the adjoining part would have a hard time sitting flush with whatever it's bound to tighten. Personally, have observed this on many motorcycles, where a few mm of bent holders or a bent retainer would unduly stress the plastics and sometimes can even crack the plastics and the mounts when fastened this way.

The bike though visually is an irritant to the rider and causes a feel of misalignment, what I reckon though is Suzuki would have done their homework. There might be some repercussions if the square metal plate was to be welded center, perhaps it might affect some other geometry of the fairing or some other aspect of flush fitting element of the motorcycle and what not, that's best left to Suzuki themselves. But, I feel, such a big difference in weld blueprints can't happen that easily when OEMs have more stricter QC than 3rd party parts manufactures, so it's highly unlikely a manufacturing defect, rather a poorly thought out design.

I'd suggest you guys keep this in mind, yet try doing your bet to let Suzuki know what the pain points are from a customer's standpoint. Good luck guys!

Cheers!
VJ

The front assembly is bolted onto the bracket. If the welding is centred to appear correctly when on the saddle, it will definitely shift the side panel joints and they won’t screw on. Hence the entire front dome plus the bracket will need to redesigned for it to appear perfect to the rider.

Lastly, but most importantly, there’s no handling issue and the headlight and mudguard are aligned too!

[MotoBlizzard]

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From the weld that I've observed on the stay posted on the forum by you guys, I clearly fathom it's a design problem, rather than manufacturing defect. What is a "Stay"? and nobody called it a Manufacturing defect. Rather its a Cosmetic defect.

Stays, from my experience run on very close tolerances, if they're even off by a few mm, the adjacent bolt/not or the adjoining part would have a hard time sitting flush with whatever it's bound to tighten. The side panels are bolted to the chassis however teh front fairing and dashboard are bolted to the Front brace which in turn is bolted to the Steering tube via a female to male bracket (if that makes sense). If you pay attention to the area where the dashboard and the side panels are bolted together, you will notice theres a gap on the left section. The asymmetric brace is pulling the dashboard and the front fairing to one side.

what I reckon though is Suzuki would have done their homework. There might be some repercussions if the square metal plate was to be welded center, perhaps it might affect some other geometry of the fairing or some other aspect of flush fitting element of the motorcycle and what not, that's best left to Suzuki themselves. Does not mean they can screw up the symmetry of the bike to make such adjustments

rather a poorly thought out design. Thats what I have been saying till now

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[judebrent]

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I guess the front bracket and entire front fairing would have to be redone to completely sort this cosmetic issue!

[Gixxer_SS]

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I guess the front bracket and entire front fairing would have to be redone to completely sort this cosmetic issue!

Yes they need to and they also need to fix this for existing customers!! Curious thing is even though the front fairing is pointing right, other fairing gaps look consistent and symmetrical! This is entirely Suzuki's fault and they need to recall such vehicles and fix it free of charge.

New buyers beware of such design issues in Gixxer before buying. While researching for a new bike, I never read about such a problem in any bike. We usually take for granted simple things like symmetry in a bike!

[B7ACKTHORN]

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A metal stay is nothing but a metal piece, with intricate welds where all the adjoining platic cowls, fairings, etc get bolted/screwed. They aren't called braces, they are called a "STAY". Secondly, if you'll read my post once again, it refers what you and jude have mentioned. A defect can be either cosmetic or geometric, and once it comes to motorcycles, it's always either a manufacturing defect or a design defect, it's just an oxymoron, so it's best left to an individual and his ability to grasp what's what and what not. Thirdly, w.r.t to symmetry, it is a pain point for the users, but can they do that? Of course they can, they know something better rather than you nor I do, at least not always, but most of the times, if that would give some solace.

Cheers!
VJ