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1. Came across this link Minutes of meeting between RE and Bangalore C5 owners. " Scary ! "
2. Well I finally got my Bike Serviced at Nerul, New Mumbai.
These guys r really un professional, I had to stand n get things done .. really slow for sure. Well I had asked him to clean up spark plugs etc but I guess he skipped in hurry to deliver.
- Changed to retro bend silencer. Its awesome at least I get back 30% more thump and mostly it looks sleek kinda looks I always wanted.
- Engine oil changed still performance on the lower side.
- Even after servicing the engine would shutdown when I was pulling on 2nd gear. The performance has truly gone down compared to 1st day but these guys have no clue whats wrong or they feel its normal power. Also I remember this guy adjusting some screw near the fuel injection system to gain some performance ... but in vain
- This morning I did a complete cleaning of my bike along with that I opened the spark plugs n was shocked to see so much carbon. I mean I have just done 650kms on it. Sadly I dint have sand paper in hand but manage to clean as much possible using cotton cloth. Also made sure no fiber is stuck to the tip. After this I definitely felt 60% power back. I guess a proper cleaning would do the trick.
What is disappointing is the carbon deposit in the 1st place. Has Royal Enfield not programed ECU properly ? I hope there is some way we can get this case to them and have some solution to it.
I will try to clean spark plugs again properly and test bike for performance later.Siddharth Menon Twitter sigpic
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Prabhu, sorry to bug you again. I am still getting the frequent popout (misfire while de-accelerating) from my upswept exhaust. RE has nothing to say, infact they say that it's the SPECIALTY of this exhaust. (NUTS)Originally posted by prabhubravo View PostGood to know that dude!
ya got the up swept exhaust yesterday. the thump is too good. The thump is like CI. after 80kmpl its something different..
I have read somewhere that it has negative impact on exhaust valve in engine. and setting the mixture right can solve this. EFI making it difficult. Can you please help?
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Just hope the guys at RE are not learning the Microsoft ways of noting a "bug" as a "feature" or "by design".Originally posted by virtualhemant View PostI am still getting the frequent popout (misfire while de-accelerating) from my upswept exhaust. RE has nothing to say, infact they say that it's the SPECIALTY of this exhaust. (NUTS)
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Virtualhemant,Originally posted by virtualhemant View PostPrabhu, sorry to bug you again. I am still getting the frequent popout (misfire while de-accelerating) from my upswept exhaust. RE has nothing to say, infact they say that it's the SPECIALTY of this exhaust. (NUTS)
I have read somewhere that it has negative impact on exhaust valve in engine. and setting the mixture right can solve this. EFI making it difficult. Can you please help?
I am facing same issue here. Its a very clean pop sound once u rev down and started after I installed Bend Silencer. I am sure this silencer would offer better air flow .. could that be it ? Also is it a problem or as RE guys say .. " Specialty "Siddharth Menon Twitter sigpic
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Ya Dude, the EFI puts in more Fuel when the engine is cold or when the engine temp is not up to its working temp. So in city usage, the engine always runs rich. Thats the main thing that made me go for a free flow filter. Now anytime I check the spark plug its not completely black, I see some brown areas surrounding the plug.Originally posted by BuddhaSource View Post1. Came across this link Minutes of meeting between RE and Bangalore C5 owners. " Scary ! "
- This morning I did a complete cleaning of my bike along with that I opened the spark plugs n was shocked to see so much carbon. I mean I have just done 650kms on it. Sadly I dint have sand paper in hand but manage to clean as much possible using cotton cloth. Also made sure no fiber is stuck to the tip. After this I definitely felt 60% power back. I guess a proper cleaning would do the trick.
What is disappointing is the carbon deposit in the 1st place. Has Royal Enfield not programed ECU properly ? I hope there is some way we can get this case to them and have some solution to it.
I will try to clean spark plugs again properly and test bike for performance later.
Well, the pop obviously have an impact on the exhaust value. But to what extent is not known. As I said before a free flow reduces the pop too.Originally posted by virtualhemant View PostPrabhu, sorry to bug you again. I am still getting the frequent popout (misfire while de-accelerating) from my upswept exhaust. RE has nothing to say, infact they say that it's the SPECIALTY of this exhaust. (NUTS)
I have read somewhere that it has negative impact on exhaust valve in engine. and setting the mixture right can solve this. EFI making it difficult. Can you please help?
And its my pleasure to discuss things with U.. So no sorrys anymore ok
haha..!! specilaity?? When I complained about it, they said ya U get it.. but its ok.. it wont affect the the engineOriginally posted by BuddhaSource View PostVirtualhemant,
I am facing same issue here. Its a very clean pop sound once u rev down and started after I installed Bend Silencer. I am sure this silencer would offer better air flow .. could that be it ? Also is it a problem or as RE guys say .. " Specialty "
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The pop during deceleration is caused by an excessively lean mixture caused by the switch to the upswept silencer.
Source: Back fire during deceleration - Page 4 - MVAgusta.netThe answer is popping can occur through both rich and lean conditions, you need to determine each case individually.
Most common is running the bike at high speed and throttle conditions and snapping the throttle shut (say like at the end of the main straight of the track - an often heard noise). In this case closing the throttle will enliminate the air supply to the engine instantly, however the fuel reduction normally lags slightly, result there is unburnt fuel in the exhaust system - when exposed the the atmosphere it explodes (if in small quantities) or burns in much larger quantities - i.e. pops and bangs and flames from the exhaust - usually quite loud. Fuel injected bikes suffer much less from this than ones fitted with carburettors.
Under the same conditions as above, if there is an exhaust air leak allowing air to enter the exhaust system allowing an explosive mixture to develop within the pipe, a very loud explosion will result as the pressure wave is directed out the outlet pipe.
On the other means, running excessively lean will often result in partial combustion and again this mixture will normally explode once it leaves the exhaust system - normally a softer popping noise. Often fitting a free flowing system (any aftermarket system) will result in lean running in parts of the rev range. Since bikes tend to be tuned lean from new, this effective further leaning of the mixture can push the engine over the edge resulting in popping. This condition is easily duplicated on an inertia dyno when allowing the engine to spool down with the throttle at small openings.
Popping from the exhaust is also quite system dependent and can be tolerated to an extent (for whatever source reason). However please consider that while running a lean mixture might be good for the environment, a lean fuel mixture also encourages detonation in the combustion chamber which can be lethal to the engine. Likewise large explosions and flames in the exhaust system are at minimum anti-social, they can also pose risk to the rider if they leave the exhaust system before the tail-pipe.
First ensure the system is leak free and then decide what to do next - that is does the noise bother me or my neighbours and will I damage my engine riding with this condition.
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Gave my bike for servicing again ... noticed engine oil leak from Kick Start Lever rod. This is common among other C500 users also. Reported the service head about the repeated carbon formation.
Can someone give me RE contacts, so that I can report and consult them directly ?
^^ That was sarcasm :P . Of course I agree that's not how it should be.Originally posted by prabhubravo View Posthaha..!! specilaity?? When I complained about it, they said ya U get it.. but its ok.. it wont affect the the engine
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Hi everyone I have a question here -
I have booked my CL 500 on Jan 16th 2010 and still havent got it in Pune.Just want to know if someone has booked after that and got his bike till now .Please let me know .
Its 4th month completed and i see many CL 500 in my area.Please help me guys .Any other place (oustside Pune) guys may aslo help in this?
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Okay finally got my KeySet changed in my 3000km Service. I did a long drive and noticed traces of oil leak on piston head.
1. Good news for Spark Plug issue
New pair of Spark Plugs are coming, I am still waiting for mine to come. But I still doubt that will solve the problem.
2. About Lambda Sensor
The C500 exported are based on CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM and ones sold in India are OPEN LOOP SYSTEM
Closed Loop System is more like learning engine, based on conditions it learns and adjust stuff, it creates its own map as it goes. Lambda sensor is critical component here to measure the oxygen ratio from exhaust. If the lambda sensor fails the system automatically works as closed system following a pre-defined MAP
Open Loop System is kinda pre-tuned engine. For all the reading it gathers from the sensors it checks against the factory MAP table and reacts. Putting a Lambda Sensor on Closed Loop doesn't much sense.
What is MAP ?
In simple words, for every readings the sensors gather (temp, crank position, air pressure etc) is checked against a table for reactions (like fuel ratio, timing etc ). A good map means good efficient engine. This MAP is generally generated by CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM engine under real or artificial conditions (may be that explains why RE took 1yr to launch in Domestic market,) Some ECUs allow you to update the map, those are called programmable ECU. I am not sure C500 domestic ECU are programmable am trying my best if I can hook it to a laptop.
Above all CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM are expensive than OPEN LOOP
. So what we need to ask RE is better MAP ... n re-program our ECU !
Last edited by BuddhaSource; 05-13-2010, 03:09 PM.Siddharth Menon Twitter sigpic
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Actually its the exact opposite, the export ones are closed loop & the the ones for the local market is open loop.Originally posted by BuddhaSource View Post2. About Lambda Sensor
The C500 exported are based on OPEN LOOP SYSTEM and ones sold in India are CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM
Closed loop system comes with a lambda sensor for measuring the amount of oxygen in the exhaust & adjusts the air fuel ratio accordingly.
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Sure? cause if you check the photos of international C500 that includes C500 spare parts manual (international ) and pictures on RE international website you will see lambda sensor, which means its Closed loop right ?Originally posted by samschenker View PostActually its the exact opposite, the export ones are closed loop & the the ones for the local market is open loop.
Oh I messed up the open n close loop description above .. wait ill edit.Siddharth Menon Twitter sigpic
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By any chance can we get the bike manufacturing date from engine number or chasis number of bullet?Originally posted by BuddhaSource View PostSure? cause if you check the photos of international C500 that includes C500 spare parts manual (international ) and pictures on RE international website you will see lambda sensor, which means its Closed loop right ?
Oh I messed up the open n close loop description above .. wait ill edit.
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