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**MACH50** · 07-20-2010, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Anupdas View Post

Bro isn't 5-6 minutes very long

My bike performs best on the days,I do it for 3-4 minutes atleast.If I warm-up for only a minute and 30 secs or so,the vehicle tends to splutter in lower rpms,for the first 15kms or so.

Ok 5-6 minutes maybe long but that was quoted for their own above 300cc products

These again depends on the type of engine one is riding,as on higher performance bikes,not only the engine oil but also the coolant,sparking temperature and air flow needs to be activated.
Apart from that,even on normal air-cooled bikes,the condition of engine oil also determines the fact of how long would the idling warm-up duration be.Newer oils spreads faster within 2-3minutes.Older oils requires time.

@psycho-onkar.....yes,though you may not idle it or 5-6mins if you dont want to,but atleast leave it like that for 2-3 minutes.Never use a choke until it is winter season or your bike got water drenched.Normal morning start-ups are fine without chokes.

**Anupdas** · 07-20-2010, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post

@anup: What I said was that, the spray of petrol doesnot allows the oil to form a thin film during the course of cold start. So, the wear and tear at cold start is more, thus as quickly one warms up the engine the parts will heat quickly and so is the case with oil. As the oil and the parts obtains there optimum tempreature everything will be as you explained.

Thats what I dont understand, it will be the combustion of air and petrol which burns the oil film na

compared to influx. The oil is scraped to cylinder wall by the upward motion of piston and in the downward motion there will be thin film of oil between the rings and cylinder but rest of the oil film on the cylinder wall is burned during the suction of air-fuel mixture and combustion cycle. These cycles will disturb the oil film no matter if the engine is cold or hot . But during cold starts there wont be a oil film between the rings and cylinder which will be cause wear and tear on cold starts and not the influx of petrol.

So, the bottom line is "Idling warms a engine slower, and it is better warm the engine up quickly by putting some load on it, like riding slowly."

Exxagtly what I meant

.........and also idling returns zero mileage

Almost all of the engines have 80'C normal operating tempreature, no matter if it is a car.

Thanks for the info bro. But it requires water cooling to maintain that temperature once it reaches that mark na. And that may be the reason why water cooled engines are very sluggish in cold starts as it will take time to reach the optimum temp. So the heat exchange occur best in 80'C temp range for all internal combustion engines rite.....

**MACH50** · 07-20-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post

So, the bottom line is "Idling warms a engine slower, and it is better warm the engine up quickly by putting some load on it, like riding slowly."

I dont think,putting some load would be a good idea,unless one is in hurry to start the journey.The engine should be started in normal rhythmic rpms without loads.....it returns the favour by grossing high top speed and precise,fast acceleration for that day and also at a good mileage.........these are really experienced ideas...

no net driven knowledge here

**Anupdas** · 07-20-2010, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by MACH50 View Post

I dont think,putting some load would be a good idea,unless one is in hurry to start the journey.

Mach bhai, Abhi said to put some load(than nothing

!!) on engine by riding in low rpms (2-3K). Not just engine but transmission, tires, brakes and every movable bearing requires warming which cannot be achieved by simply idling the engine

. So the best is to let engine idle for few seconds and then run very slowly for first few kms, within a km or two engine will attain its optimum temp and then we can open the throttle

.............

EDIT: Where are you guys? While all other threads are creating some BUZZ, you people are very silent

. It can also be seen this way, while others are discussing how they can better their bikes

, you people are happily driving(as its already damn good

), is that so

?

**ravi@17bhp** · 07-22-2010, 06:23 AM

Guess we guys are too overcautious. There will be oil pump in the engine that will splash oil in to the top portions of the engine as soon as the engine starts. So, no issues with lubrication of the engine even if it is cold.

The idea behind warming the engine before taking to higher rpms is to get smoother power delivery that is efficient. Taking a colder engine directly to higher rpms will not have any long-term affect on the einge.

**techlive** · 07-22-2010, 06:30 PM

Hi Everyone!

I am Abhishek from Gurgaon

I have booked my Honda Dazzler yesterday with Ganpati Honda

by the way Its Black

**bachiprany** · 07-23-2010, 04:59 PM

Guys,

My kat kat sound from mono suspension is back .... and its getting louder ....
is it the same case with u?

**Sirius** · 07-25-2010, 07:47 PM

Guyz one doubt,

My friend advised me to start the bike only after the rpm needle had come back to zero, after turning on the igni key... Why is that so? Wat wud happen if i start the engine before it?

And one problem too... Some vibration sounds are heard from the headlamp assembly ( I think its the speedometer ) for the past two days whenever i rev it beyond 3k and it stays... What wud be the culprit? Any ideas guyz?

**iwonder** · 07-25-2010, 11:01 PM

My friend advised me to start the bike only after the rpm needle had come back to zero, after turning on the igni key... Why is that so? Wat wud happen if i start the engine before it?

I doubt anything will go wrong if you do. The rpm meter rising and digitial display switching completely on is probably to show everything is working fine and/or to give it nice sporty look. Its what I think

And one problem too... Some vibration sounds are heard from the headlamp assembly ( I think its the speedometer ) for the past two days whenever i rev it beyond 3k and it stays... What wud be the culprit? Any ideas guyz?

Some bolt is probably loose somewhere, you can check with the SVC, they'll fix it in a jiffy. Though, you can fix it yourself, just listen to where the sound is coming from.

**Satyamzma** · 07-26-2010, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by techlive View Post

Hi Everyone!

I am Abhishek from Gurgaon

I have booked my Honda Dazzler yesterday with Ganpati Honda

by the way Its Black

where are the pics

**techlive** · 07-27-2010, 02:55 PM

Today received the call from them that my motorcycle is arrived from HMSI

I am going to get her on this sunday (1st August) after getting my salary

and its OTR is Rs. 65800/- without any accessories.

& they are charging Rs. 1441 extra for following accessories>

1. Hand grip
2. Two number plates
3. Seat cover
4. Seat net
5. Saree guard
6. Leg Guard(crash guard)
7. Handle Lock
8. Helmet Lock

(and Rs. 211 extra for Bike Cover extra)

please let me know if its reasonable

**worrisomebear** · 07-27-2010, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by techlive View Post

Today received the call from them that my motorcycle is arrived from HMSI

I am going to get her on this sunday (1st August) after getting my salary

and its OTR is Rs. 65800/- without any accessories.

& they are charging Rs. 1441 extra for following accessories>

1. Hand grip
2. Two number plates
3. Seat cover
4. Seat net
5. Saree guard
6. Leg Guard(crash guard)
7. Handle Lock
8. Helmet Lock

(and Rs. 211 extra for Bike Cover extra)

please let me know if its reasonable

I dont think you need hand grips, seat cover .. avoid them....

You may go in for crash guard and may be saree guard if u wish to...

take the bike cover and ... get the number plates done from outside...

**psycho_omkar** · 07-27-2010, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by techlive View Post

1. Hand grip - cost 30 bucks max at any garage shop

2. Two number plates - depends.If you get the acrylic one without the light, it ll cost 300 front +back.If the one with the LED, 350.

3. Seat cover - 100 max

4. Seat net - not sure what is seat net

5. Saree guard - some 370 in Mumbai from HMSI showroom itself

6. Leg Guard(crash guard) - some 535

7. Handle Lock - no idea

8. Helmet Lock - there is already one lock in the bike, I use that as a helmet lock

(and Rs. 211 extra for Bike Cover extra) - I bought a bike cover for 150 bucks, not the plastic material but the raincoat material and its very very neat

My comment : not worth it. Just buy the leg guard.Saree guard if you need it.

My reply in bold...

**psycho_omkar** · 07-27-2010, 03:54 PM

Some pics from my side..

@techlive : You can see the no. plate that I made for my bike.Its an acrylic one with LED, costed me 400 bucks (front+back).Its actually 350, but I gave a different shape to the rear no. plate, so 50 bucks extra for it as this shape was available in without the LED plates.

**Sirius** · 07-27-2010, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by psycho_omkar View Post

Some pics from my side..

@techlive : You can see the no. plate that I made for my bike.Its an acrylic one with LED, costed me 400 bucks (front+back).Its actually 350, but I gave a different shape to the rear no. plate, so 50 bucks extra for it as this shape was available in without the LED plates.

Nice shoes

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