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Ironically, someone said "I'm not starting a Rossi vs stoner war" and eventually planted the first bomb in the warzone.
I'm on rossi's side😝. Having talent or being fast is not enough, winning and continuing to win is what matters to me.
Rossi Rules in this case.

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Absolutely! But Stoner and Ducati proved in 2007 the name Bridgestone can be trusted as a major tyre provider and now every single team uses them. :-) That was my only point.

BTW I dont have any dog in any fight hehe, I am just a fan, who loves maturity and content shared in this thread. :-) Thank you everyone for making this thread lively. :-)

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[MENTION=11424]R-series[/MENTION] +46 [MENTION=34513]lalitp[/MENTION]: Not my point exactly, but I get the point you are trying to make
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Not only Lorenzo, Pedrosa also rode with a fractured collarbone.
He's tougher than we think he is... This break from Laguna to Indiana was so important. Hope we do have a very good race.

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Not sure if anyone is aware of this.

Casey Stoner the Age of 27

Casey Stoner The age of 27 - YouTube

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It's called THE FINAL LAP. Some bloke posted on xBhp last December - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorspo...tml#post902187. Sadly, Dorna loves it too much.

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I am a huge fan of Rossi,(I think I have already said that a few times here).and as all fans of 'The Doctor' I don't like Casey.I even hated his outright criticisms about Rossi and jeremy,that too in front of media and all....but that being said,Stoners 2007 championship was well deserved and ever since that his title had been attributed to all factors other than his riding by some.as always,mere mortals like us may find a million reasons for his wins,but seriously,the guy ought to be respected for his sheer talent.he shattered all that when he rode for Honda.awesome riding...huge talent but with not so good an attitude..that's what he is.just because he said said some stupid things,one can't ignore his talent.funny thing is not many says anything about 'the Kentucky kids' 06 title..

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^ Hayden's 2006 championship was never an achievement, though it went to him, he never won it.
Rossi lost it to Hayden. Rossi went to the last round leading the championship and would have wrapped it easily. But to everyone's shock (me included) he dropped the front, and finished 14th when he had to finish 7th only.
I'm not taking credit away from the American, but he was the one in the right place at the right time, but never the one to take the championship away from Rossi. 2006 was Rossi's fault and not Hayden's victory.

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You are a better Rossi fan.

Most fans of Rossi doesnt like Stoner because he gave the GOAT a lot of trouble. He cracked the legend of Rossi and exposed a big chink in Rossi's armour when he won in 2007. (Rossi came back for the next 2 years)

Then Jorge Lorenzo exposed him again and now you know why Rossi fans hated Lorenzo as well .

We all know what happened in ducati experience of 2011 and 2012.

Taking nothing away off Rossi here. He is a fantastic racer but his fans had been giving the rest of the world a tough time till he was exposed in "80 seconds"

If you just look at the stats, both Stoner and Lorenzo have outperformed Rossi in the time when they were/are in motogp. Stoner from 2006-2012 and Lorenzo continuing it from 2008-2013

All of them are great racers but some people (fanatic fans) dont seem to give enough credit to other racers where the credit is due.

I would give more credit to Hayden here! Hayden finished on the podium more times than Rossi. Simply put, he performed more consistently than Rossi though he won fewer races than Rossi.

Wouldnt it be madness to say that Toni Elias beat Rossi out of the championship by winning his only ever motogp in Estoril riding in berm busting dirtbike style by piping Rossi to the post and Rossi lost the the championship by the same margin!

Right place at the right time?..cmon man...Rossi was always the man at the right place at the right time be it Honda or Yamaha! He always got the best bike. His bike development skills are just a myth. This is what Kenny Roberts Jr (no mean guy himself) had to say about Rossi!

"Valentino has had just a an exceptional gift when it comes to being on the right bike at the right time. Think about it: when we were on 500s we had the 17 inch tire. That tire was kind of the equalizer to a degree, and with it, I won the world title, that's a big part of why Suzuki was competitive. Then, they change to a 16.5 tire and importance of horsepower goes way up, because the contact patch is basically doubled. Just in time for that, Rossi is on the Honda, has it figured out and has Jeremy Burgess. Honda has the bike, crew, tires, etc. The championship is his." "Then, he is with Honda when the move to four strokes and MotoGP is made. It's (the RC211V). Honda again has the bike, crew, tires, etc. He wins."

Roberts continues, "Then he goes to Yamaha. Okay, nobody remembers this, but, who rode the Yamaha the season before Rossi? Alex Barros. Remember they gave Barros an RC212V at the end of 2002 and he won three of the last four races on it. So he was very good. And Barros told Yamaha in 2003, 'Hey, you have no torque here. What you need is more power and a flatter torque curve so it has a wider powerband'. And so, when they go to build the new engine configuration, they make it with more torque, change the firing order, a wider powerband and more power. Valentino rode the bike at Malaysia and it was a lot better. So, Rossi, with a lot of effort from Yamaha and himself, gets on the Yamaha and wins the world championship. And at the same time, when he got off the Honda, Michelin had brought in a new tire, which on the Honda created a lot of chatter. Honda didn't use that new Michelin, which hurt them. Yet Yamaha didn't have that chatter problem with the new Michelin. Valentino and Burgess got that new Michelin to work on the Yamaha."

"Yamaha did a lot of the same things resource wise for Valentino that Ducati has done for him."
"I don't take anything away from Valentino Rossi, at all," Roberts says. "He's talented. He's amazing. Now he is fighting a lot of gremlins on and off the bike. He's fighting, struggling, in probably four of eight areas that you need to win races. He's fighting feel, electronics and speed and more. Racing right now is just no fun. Life for him right now is probably no fun, but at the same time, that's what racing is normally like. You don't have the perfect bike every season. If you see it once in your career you're lucky."

Here is the complete excerpt from his interview in 2012 Soup :: Roberts On Rossi: Kenny Junior Comments On The Ducati Divide :: 04-13-2012

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And how would you know that? Oh wait, you have access to that Kenny Roberts Jr's quote! Like Kenny himself says, think about it, it could be just his opinion!!

It seems to me that you have taken Kenny's interview a little out of context, may be you need to read it again as well Having said that, nobody holds any obligation to anyone to praise Rossi for his motorcycle development skills as a rider. Kenny certainly has his own opinion, but there are more number of people who feel the opposite and who have actually worked with Rossi. For example, Jeremy Burgess and David Brivio, both of whom should be ideally consulted if anyone wants to know how skilled is Rossi in developing a motorcycle as a racer. Jeremy is still with Rossi; however, David Brivio has no *official obligation*, so to say, to praise Rossi anymore.

According to Kenny, Yamaha made the new M1 engine then (in 2004) as Barros suggested, may be, but it was Rossi who spent most time riding it and giving valuable feedbacks that were actually more helpful in making M1 a competitive motorcycle. And of course, Kenny wouldn't know if Rossi also had the same opinion about M1 like Barros, would he?! The interview that you have quoted is more or less Kenny's personal opinion about Rossi (not Honda or Yamaha or Barros). And as I said, I would rather trust Jeremy Burgess and/or David Brivio's opinion about Rossi rather than someone like Kenny Roberts.

Secondly, it's never too difficult to frustrate a Rossi fan As far as Stoner is concerned, yes, he was a brilliant racer and one of the best but I don't have to respect him as a person at least or even pretend to respect him. He is a whiner who would cry on any racing move Rossi or any other racer would perform against him (we all know that don't we), remember Laguna 2008? He was very fast no doubt, but an equally big arse of a human being! Good thing he is not in MotoGP anymore!

Lorenzo is a much better and a mature person in comparison. He has changed a lot in last two years and has gained respect from more people than before, especially also from Rossi fans (since you are interested in knowing that).


PS: The world knows for some time now that Ducati is shit of a motorcycle in MotoGP.

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^^ you know [MENTION=19026]Satellite.kid[/MENTION] though you have been very precise, I know there is a lot boiling inside you and this is only the part you found appropriate to write. But believe me, your not the only one. I can certainly add to all of this but I just decided to part out of the discussion as it was going in the wrong direction.

As some expert once said, most people who don't like Rossi, don't know him as well as people who like him

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I will rephrase the above sentence: As some expert once said, most people who don't like Stoner, don't know him as well as people who like him. hehe.. Just joking mates.

I wont be commenting on either of the rider, they are doing far more superior thing than what we can only dream of. Everyone struggles, everyone falls and comes back. So respect every rider on paddock, after all, only they know what they had been through to be a part of paddock.

About Casey's and Valentino's rivalry, There is always more to it than meets the eye. :-)

Cheers!

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Now lets see, What do we have here??
I thought KRjr interview would never come up.

KrJr says he won the title when he was on 17" tire and he suffered next year. Hmm. In my opinion Rossi did great on both the tires. He was 2nd in the championship, Suzuki being competitive and all.

Exposed in "80 secs" , really?
There are lot of articles, from 2004 and 05 about Masao furusawa and his approach. My point, they had to go through extreme changes to get the bike suited for a rider.

Its would be appropriate to consider what Ducati put on the table, while Rossi was around. Need a list, search for 2012 MotoGp threads.

Even now, Honda's got a new 2014 bike ready (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108135), all Ducati is doing is changing seating positions.(Guess they take a different meaning, when the rider says he isnt comfortable on the bike)


Riders development skills are always a myth, i believe that. Engineers and mechs do that dont they..

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Brand and Rider affinity at large here in this forum. While the Rossi party is defending and glorifying the achievements of the old goat, there are others who are questioning his greatness. Since everyone is entitled his own opinion, my two cents (or paise) on this..

Rossi: Brilliant on the track and off the track too. Blessed with the gift of making the right career decisions (which his luck supports). Excellent strategist, can time overtaking moves with precision and can mock rivals with moves on and off the track. Has had the support of one Jerry Burgess, the man responsible for more titles than any of the riders individually can lay claim to. Shrewd and cunning...willy old fox. His biggest downfall was the much speculated Italian Dream Team. The Ducati proved that the Doctor may need medicine himself.

Hayden: proved that consistency is the name of the game. While someone on this forum said that Rossi lost it to Hayden, I stand to differ on this. Rossi was inconsistent and Hayden was consistent. Hayden WON the championship with perseverance and consistent performance. Hayden is the pick of manufacturers as he represents a very important market to all. He too is a casualty of Italian Medicine.

Casey: God gifted talent which we could enjoy for such a short time. Rivals fear him and his presence on the track. Most people who support Rossi blindly tag him as a Moaner/Whiner...but in my opinion, he is a pure racer. He never had issues with Jorge or Dani...never moaned about his bike unless it was really the case. Proved that the Ducati is a wild bull which can be tamed by riding it hard. While I miss him dearly while watching any MotoGP race, I feel good that he does not have to get the brickbats from the real moaners who cant appreciate good riding skills or cant watch races with an open "may the best man + machine win" attitude.

Jorge: Was intended to be a robot but was given a human birth by the almighty. Relentless, strategist, consistent and brave. Recognizes the importance of salvaging points when it's not his day but can also take the battle straight to the enemy by rattling off consistent laps. Respects other riders on the track and is most definitely a person who takes defeat seriously. Got on the old goat's nerves and made him crack under pressure. Forced Yamaha to rethink on their future plan by putting himself in contention of being the number one rider in the Yamaha camp. Nothing like watching Jorge reeling off lap after lap at the same pace.

Dani: Much of an underachiever than an under performer. Rivals fear him, Jorge respects him but hates him as well (mallorcan Vs. Catalan), has proved that he can ride with focus. His only chink in the armor is the slight mental strength that he lacks as compared to Casey, Jorge and Valentino.

All in all, I feel that all of them are super human. I'm not sure how many of the keyboard warriors in this forum have had the chance to ride their machines at race pace for around 10 laps (not even a full race distance). If anyone had done this, he would surely appreciate every rider who lines up on the track...even if he qualifies last. Favoritism is ok and much needed but not at the cost of belittling the achievements of others and their abilities.

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[MENTION=11065]niranjanvaidya[/MENTION] Thanks for the calm amidst the storm Summer break, no racing and fan boys are at it

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Most people who support Stoner believe he was a pure racer just because he could stick his robotic/expressionless face on the camera.. yeah, that's the pure racer attitude! If he was a real racer he shouldn't have quit the sport. If he loved motorcycle racing as much as it's made out to be, he should have stayed, continue to race and provide more entertainment to the viewers as more competition on the track. But he chose to quit because he believed that the sport has changed into something he didn't like anymore, that isn't sporting enough for me at least.


PS: Yes, I am a big shameless fanboy of the one who attracts the biggest crowd in MotoGP! Will remain one for life Feels good to be a human every now and then