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Human aye mate. How about some decent non-abusive language on the forum. Thanks

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[MENTION=38603]The Monk[/MENTION]

Woah man...hold on to your horses. Now, this from you is something that I did not expect. Agreed that your image is a glaring "46", but for sure, the response was not expected. Anyway, I said in my post that everyone is entitled to his own opinion and I will respect yours.

Although the real reason for Casey's exit is largely unknown, several hints have been dropped around which may/may not make sense
a. Dorna favors one and only one rider "Valentino Rossi". To the extent that all the documentaries in the "Faster" series have revolved around Rossi
b. Dorna holds most races in the Spanish/European scene when it is advertised as a World Championship. You can count the number of Spanish Races in a season.
c. Casey opposed the idea of having CRTs in a pure prototype championship. According to him, he had earned his place in the prototype racing championship and CRTs were diluting class (I agree with this)
d. He had some fan following but most of the others (read Rossi fans - who are a majority) disrespected him and there were a few incidents reported where he was booed and objects were thrown at him

While most of the above reasons might be responsible in singularity or combined, there is another reason which may have escaped the eyes of the hungry press or fans. That of his new born baby. It is a possibility that after the unfortunate incident at Sepang where Marco Simoncelli lost his life, he may have thought a bit more on his personal/family terms. He is one of the few riders who is married and now has a family.

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It 'd take less than 80 seconds to answer my questions.

1. Would your favourite rider on the MotoGP grid win a championship at the age of 30?
2. What 'd Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa be doing at the age of 34?

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Every person has different priorities and plans in his/her life. However, the answers to your questions

1. Mick Doohan - he won his first at age 29 and won four more later on. The circumstances in which he won, the machinery, tyres, no electronics and his grit would make it an all time favorite for me.
2.a. Casey would be driving in the touring car championship/testing for HRC/farming/fishing/having another baby
2.b. Jorge would be with Yamaha, winning championships or with Yamaha on a consulting role (if he decides to hand up his boots)
2.c. Dani would be riding for some competitive team not sure about Honda.\

On a different note, going by your yardstick of age, Arthur Wheeler who is the oldest GP winner should be everyone's favorite since he won a GP (not a championship though) at the ripe age of 46 (co-incidental).

However, as I said, different things motivate different people. Many people expected Sachin Tendulkar to retire earlier but at this age, he still plays. Micheal Schumacher returned to F1 at well over 30 years. Does that mean that other cricketers/drivers are not as good as anyone else? You answer that and keep the answer to yourself.

PS: The 80 second joke is a hard hit to the VR+JB camp where they laughed at Casey's statements about the Ducati not handling well. JB was reported saying that they could fix the handling issue in 80 seconds. The overconfidence cost them large as they had to eat their own boots after they could not make the Ducati work in well over 80 weeks

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Priorities aside. My opinion is that you cannot compare an old war horse (Certainly, the best in our era!) with a current rider at his prime. Just because Rossi didn't win or got beaten doesn't mean that the younger rider is better. For God's sake, Tendulkar's and Kohli's forms aren't the same at this point of time. Tendulkar is 40 and Kohli is 24 now. Can't be more clearer than this one.

Well, I know that Stoner is a "Proud dad, keen fisherman" races a V8 down under. A bit more - he isn't happy with the latter part.

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HAHA...kids class room Well, reports are the only way that we are connected to that world aren't we? We are no team personnel not friends of the very riders that we talk of and as a result, most of it is perceived or speculated.

I'm not implying that Rossi is greater or lesser than anyone. For that matter, I'm not even comparing Casey or Jorge with anyone. Every rider is different and has a special ability. All I'm saying is that you cannot compare apples in season with oranges out of season or the other way around as well...enjoy the taste and flavor that each gives you without degrading the other. Hope you get the point.

To put an end to this, let's build up on the news on the coming GP.

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yeah, pulled the line off. Well, other than Ipswich where he was in the top 5, it was quite unexciting all through for Stoner.

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Anyway, there are other things to discuss. Stoner did a 6 lap test before rain interrupts.

Dovi speaks. Use Chrome to translate. It's Polish.

MotoGP

Now, a confirmation - http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/194...togp_test.html

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I would take Kenny Roberts Jr's views on Rossi rather your view on Rossi suggesting how good of a motorcycle developer that Rossi is!

Its good that you brought Jeremy Burgess up in this argument. Would say infact he is the best developer of a grandprix motorcycle.

As [MENTION=11065]niranjanvaidya[/MENTION] has stated, he has developed motorcycles for Wayne gardner, Mick Doohan and Rossi. Infact all of them have won championships on his bikes.
So attributing the motorcycle development skills to Rossi when Burgess is around him from the last decade or so is pure blasphemy! Its time for you to wake up and smell the coffee!!

Ducati is a shit of a motorcycle? Its just a un-competitive motorcycle. When you consider the fact ducati loses just 0.08 seconds to a Honda/Yamaha on every corner, (assuming there are 12 corners on a track), it loses around a second on ever lap and 22 seconds every race. Doesnt this give you a perspective on how close the ducati is?

Ducati of course has not been a easy bike to ride and the testament to that is Melandri, Capirossi and your own ego bot Rossi! Also considering that Stoner was still competitive on the ducati and was able to win a lot of races with attitude, just shows how far a better racer he was than Rossi. Infact Rossi turned out to be a "pussy" on the ducati!

Just because Rossi didnt win or got beaten means definitely means that the younger rider is better, especially if they have done it consistently. Stoner and Lorenzo were able to get the better of Rossi on more occassions than the other way round. Just go and take a look at the stats. Between 2006 and 2012, there were 124 races and Stoner has beaten Rossi 75 to 49 (incl Retirements). Am not even taking the case of Lorenzo here because thats not prettiest of the picture

Its a sport mate, doesnot matter your age, your experience. Tendulkar was a brilliant cricketer once upon a time and he is nowhere nearly Kohli this time. Does that mean Kohli is not a brilliant cricketer? Does that mean Tendulkar can match Kohli on athleticism and batting proficiency now?

Likewise Rossi was a top notch and brilliant racer once upon a time. Not anymore. There are better riders around now who are much faster than him. He needs some of them to have an off day or crash to stand any chances of winning.

NV, You kind of killed the argument with your brilliant post on the racers. Was kind of getting warmed up on the juvenile comments coming from Rossi fanatics

Infact the wway they argue the Rossi fanatics (not the fans) belong to the kids classroom

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At many instances, it's just an echo and more words. That's all.

Never said that Rossi is the current best. Have I?
I am good enough to appreciate quality motor racing. It's not limited to Rossi or his performances (or just motorcycles).

Let's keep cricket aside. But, Tendulkar is still better than Kohli. Don't consider the time point. It is just like comparing Tendulkar and Bradman even though they are from different eras. Hope that you get it.

EDIT:

Let's play some number games:

1. Stoner - Average points scored per year between 2006-2012 - 259

2. Rossi - Average points scored per year between 2000-2012 - 290



PS: I am no fanatic. I don't hate Stoner either. Use your words cautiously or be very specific when you point out.

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Chill out mate instead of getting all warmed up!!! This is a forum where we discuss, share and at times argue. You don't need to bring the entire arsenal to battle. Motorcycle racing is an extremely passionate sport, no point stoking the fire anymore than required.

Cheers

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All I wanted was peace...

thankfully, the set of posts here are nowhere as offensive as found on a UEFA forum.

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And I am not looking forward to getting to that level anytime soon

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Why does everyone think Motogp Started only in 2006??

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This is what happens, when there is a summer break .

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I dun think we have to worry about that here. Tough love tho