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May not term it as ban, but as part of their contractual agreement.
Sorry, I have no source. May be because of the 2nd statement in above line.

I doubt that if Honda was so easy towards Hero.

AFAIK, Majestic shared Activa engine and Hero'Puch' Winner doesnt have Honda with it.

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so, please pardon this question, if there's no publicly available source, how do you know it ?

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Good question. It is part of deductive assumption and publicly available facts that Hero doesn't have its own R&D though it has loads of money. You may ask the reason!


EDIT:
And some thing interesting that I came to know.

Honda had 26% stake along with Hero who has same amount of stake. And of course Honda will be having their people of the "Board of Directors". So obviously Honda had equal control on what HERO HONDA could do.

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Without proof, its speculative
Hero always had the freedom to do whatever they wanted "outside" the Hero Honda brand.

Around 2006-07 there were even rumors of Hero trying to do something with Aprilia.

Wow.. that some wild statement.

Hero Majestic Bike Commercial - YouTube

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+1; Looks like Majestic & Maestro are confused

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So how do you say that as if you were working with hero honda and you know each and everything thats happening in there.. hero was depending on honda.. no doubt.. now they have come out of that they are trying something on their own.. instead of criticizing.. why dont you guys appreciate?? They are an Indian brand after all..

Bajaj has been developing from a very long time on their own with struggles and now they are developing even better with the help of KTM.. development of an Indian brand is no doubt a good for the Indian market.. But isn't Hero trying to do the same?? Bringing in a 250cc bike in 2yrs simce the break up?? I do understand our expectations are way high buy tell me one thing.. are you actually gonna buy the P375 once it is launched??

I definitely wouldnt unless i know how it is performing on roads than in the tested conditions.. as we know new models always have a flaw initially and most of times they are called back..

Even honda cars have been called back for flaws..

What I am trying to convey is.. lets not criticize Hero's upcoming product without knowing anything in detail..

Just an example.. how will you feel.. (in general) if someone talks about your yet to be born baby?? The baby could grow upto be short, fat, ugly, fugly as people found a new term, good for nothing etc.. i mean why talk about something before it has given its full efforts..

People are praising the TVS - BMW's upcoming bike which is not even known when its going to launched and degrading Hero who has plans of launching a 250cc machine...

All this is my Opinion..

To add to it.. someone mentioned a comparison between the 180cc and the 223cc is logical and objective comparison.. If that was suppose to be sarcastic.. I would like to ask you guys something.. its not just about the CC.. the CC doesn't play a vital role in power output.. or does it??
[MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION].. please correct me if I am wrong...

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riaz, that's not even enough for idle speculation I am afraid. on current evidence it is just imagination to say that honda stopped hero from working on its own.

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I guess you missed reading my edited part of the post. I still stand on my statement what i said.

Do you think Honda would have allowed Hero to build its own engines? Give it a thought.

Apologies for the confusion with Maestro and Majestic. Again the ones you listed were not direct competition for Honda when they were planned or launched.

So the board of directors would obviously not have any problem with that. Do you expect the same to be happened in 100cc+ section?

This is what happens when we ignore to read and understand that we are not keen on.

Read the edited part of my previous post again buddy.

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It is okay, bro! It is only human to err...

Hopefully with a monoshock - a perfect substitute till I get a litre.

Seems like a lot is going on with Hero. Good and informative discussions going on, 'hope the MODS don't act.

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Honda had equal amount of stake as Hero in Hero Honda. The break-up happened because of the rise in differences between the two parties over time. They differences reached peak after Honda decided to enter India alone. With the rise in differences, Honda simply refused/slowed down cooperation. Hero could proceed further only with the approval of Honda, because Honda is a major stakeholder.

The rising differences between the two partners gradually emerged as an irritant. Differences had been brewing for a few years before the split over a variety of issues, ranging from Honda's reluctance to fully and freely share technology with Hero (despite a 10-year technology tie-up that expires in 2014) as well as Indian partner's uneasiness over high royalty payouts to the Japanese company. Another major irritant for Honda was the refusal of Hero Honda (mainly managed by the Munjal family) to merge the company's spare parts business with Honda's new fully owned subsidiary Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India (HMSI).^[17]

The above paragraph taken from Wiki. Hero MotoCorp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were numerous news all over internet regarding this. Honda and Hero never made public statements to get an official source. But, everyone knows why the break-up happened. A little knowledge in business is enough to understand that Hero can't do anything without the approval of Honda being the major stakeholder along with Hero.

Read the following.

"Earlier, we had to take Honda's permission to make a change even on the design graphics but now we can change the engine or gearbox or develop on the platforms, if we wish, on our own," Sud said.

Hero doesn't even have the freedom to do graphical changes. Its logical to think that Honda didn't allow Hero to set-up its own R&D as long as Honda was there in the Board.

Hero Honda may continue using Honda's technology | Business Standard

Knowing that they are going to break-up with Honda, would Hero just sit without setting up an R&D if they had any chance?

There might be so many other constraints in a business that we really don't know. We might say its as simple as that from outside, but its not so.

To sum it up, there was a bullock cart with two bulls pulling it. There were differences between the two bulls, and one bull (Honda) simply stopped/slowed down in protest.

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Lot of emotions from both sides!

See bro, people trust BMW more than EBR and thats not without a reason. BMW makes 650cc street bikes as a minimum and hence they are trying to leverage TVS to enter sub 500cc segment. On the other hand EBR has made only litre class race spec machines. This adds ghee to existing fire on HMC's capabilities in developing segment leading bikes.

Now, we know that AVL is helping Hero develop engines as well. So, what exactly is EBR doing? And how? These questions should be answered shortly. Hence, I'm keeping silent and waiting for the product. That's why I say that, if the product is good, it'll silent all nay-sayers.

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Firstly respect to Hero for this quick work up after the break up, good job from them and hoping to see their future bikes, especially the 250cc to be a better bike, both in terms of design and performance. . .

OT: I read in another thread and also some here, people comparing the sports-tourer karizma with R15, 200NS, really are most of the people out of their minds . .? Had a discussion regarding the same in fb which later on turned into a fight, . .

PS: The hero has worked out good now and hope to see better products in the future, now don't start commenting it doesn't have good handling blah blah blah, this is a sports tourer not a track machine . . .

Cheers!!!

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Building 3 new engines in this less time (250 cc or 25 cc) is an outstanding effort. Yes it may have issues. But they have done that job in record setting pace.
Respectable.

Though the market is moving towards 300-400 cc its price will also move up (2+L)

There will be a market for 200-250cc even in 2016 if priced right. No problem there. I mean if priced at some 1.4 / 1.5 L it will sell. CBR 300 will be 2+ I guess.

This move will help Hero. At this stage its is better for hero not to get into that intense battle field of 300-400cc (CBR300,N300,D390,P375,Mojo,Triumph300)

And there should be something for people looking for 200-250 cc range.

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Did someone say Impulse with a bigger Engine

Hero revs up for Impulse comeback

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This is not even tourer, these are just 3 engines.