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**Naveen1985** · 10-22-2013, 03:54 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by Boom S View Post

much better than you think. as of now there is exactly zero evidence of any such agreement.
but please, do keep making up stories.
@Rakesh Rok, I get it. ZMA/ZMR is the ambassador of the bike world.

it lags behind the competition on almost "every single" parameter that counts, including in the tourer segment, where the CBR250 comfortably rules in sales numbers, even though it costs almost twice as much.
sure, zma still has a few hardcore fans (so does ishant sharma) but like amby, its (increasingly few) fans would tomtom its 'comfort' and 'space' even when sales tumble down.

even I want hero to do good but if this current release is an example of their vision for the future, I don't see much hope.

oh and just FYI, when you try to make fun of other's arguments, it only tells people you have facts or logical basis for your views, just emotion.

Please post some evidence or source link comparing zma/zmr and cbr's sales figures....otherwise dont spoil the decorum of this thread....
firstly learn something about bikes rather than posting this crap. why are you comparing a bike which is in a totally different segment (price wise)...???
Its like comparing hyundai accent with honda city...Please just relax and take rest....
You are irritating people out there...

**riazmomin** · 10-22-2013, 03:56 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by Boom S View Post

much better than you think. as of now there is exactly zero evidence of any such agreement.
but please, do keep making up stories.

No, you still don't understand.
Let me Help you in understanding the case here. There is no intention of showing you down except educating you.

If you have ever been provided any Offer Letter by any MNC or Renowned Organization, you get what I said. Offer letters are Contractual agreements. Here you and the company are Business entities. Company lists down the rules and regulations, compensations, Intellectual Property points and Patent coverages too. You accordingly accept the Terms and Conditions and Sign the offer letter. One copy is with you and another is with the company. So when ever one violates the agreement, they can pull them to court legally.

And apart this, this Offer Letter is confidential. You are not suppose to share it legally with any one. Though we do share with our close ones considering you trust them that they wont advertise that to the world.

There is something called Contractual agreement between Hero and Honda which is legally confidential. Unless we have Julian Assange types here you wont see them in public. So kindly forget about me providing you the Source and try to analyze the facts in front of you.

I don't need to make up stories for you and I have no interest in it especially when a person is Hell bound to not agree to that. I think you will disagree even if Hero shares the details with you.

Originally posted by Boom S View Post

@Rakesh Rok, I get it. ZMA/ZMR is the ambassador of the bike world.

it lags behind the competition on almost "every single" parameter that counts, including in the tourer segment, where the CBR250 comfortably rules in sales numbers, even though it costs almost twice as much.
sure, zma still has a few hardcore fans (so does ishant sharma) but like amby, its (increasingly few) fans would tomtom its 'comfort' and 'space' even when sales tumble down.

even I want hero to do good but if this current release is an example of their vision for the future, I don't see much hope.

oh and just FYI, when you try to make fun of other's arguments, it only tells people you have facts or logical basis for your views, just emotion.

Again, If I have Rs 2 Lacs why would I go and buy Karizma? But If I can afford only Rs 1 Lac, why would I even consider CBR250R when Karizma fits my Bill of Reliability, Durability, Comfort and Resale value? Coming to the sales numbers, at least I have never seen the breakup sales of two wheelers till now today. If you have any source, I would be happy with that.

You are again comparing two completely different category of bikes. But If you stand true, CBR needs to be Compared with Ninja 250/300 cousins. Does it makes sense? No.

Your comparing looks like, comparing Indian womens Hokey team with Japanese Mens Hockey team.

Calm down and lets not add fuel to the fire. If you have problem with Hero, put your money somewhere you are keen on.

Coming to Hero's vision, your vision has been struck at Refresh Upgrades of ZMA/ZMR. See beyond that.

**Rakesh Rok** · 10-22-2013, 03:58 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by Boom S View Post

much better than you think. as of now there is exactly zero evidence of any such agreement.
but please, do keep making up stories.
@Rakesh Rok, I get it. ZMA/ZMR is the ambassador of the bike world.

it lags behind the competition on almost "every single" parameter that counts, including in the tourer segment, where the CBR250 comfortably rules in sales numbers, even though it costs almost twice as much.
sure, zma still has a few hardcore fans (so does ishant sharma) but like amby, its (increasingly few) fans would tomtom its 'comfort' and 'space' even when sales tumble down.

even I want hero to do good but if this current release is an example of their vision for the future, I don't see much hope.

oh and just FYI, when you try to make fun of other's arguments, it only tells people you have facts or logical basis for your views, just emotion.

ha ha ha good joke by you again, BTW now you are comparing it with CBR250R, seriously you need a break away from Hero's threads, I mean how can you decide a bike's sales just by looking at the bike, . ? Have you ridden it or at least seen it flesh, if not at least sat on it and felt about it. . ? I don't know if it's better or lesser compared to CBR in anyway, will comment only after I see it in flesh and take a test ride but as we see in the pics, it looks like a good tourer, with better cushioning in the seats, big bike feel, looks sought of a classy sports bike from the side view which I loved it cos for me at least it looks like a classy superbike kinda, etc., and so many other stuffs and most importantly it's reliable compared to Bajaj. . .

BTW let me just ask you a small question, how did you start after falling down and getting some injury mate. . ? You started running as soon as you were injured, didn't you even, get up dust yourself, check your status, slowly walked up and then after sometime, you started running again, right. . ? That's how it's done and you should appreciate Hero here instead of scolding it, it's putting so much efforts and in short period, it has made something since it broke up. . .

PS: The above example applies to normal people, if you still say that you run as soon as you fall down, please ignore this message, no point in carrying this any further. . . Good day

, also I mate a PS at the end of my last comment stating no offense. . .

Cheers!!!

EDIT: Neither am I interested in Karizmas cause I ain't a tourer, also I don't know if it's an Ambassador or a Benz

, Again NO OFFENSE. . .

**rreneav1987** · 10-22-2013, 04:26 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by Rakesh Rok View Post

EDIT: Neither am I interested in Karizmas cause I ain't a tourer, also I don't know if it's an Ambassador or a Benz

, Again NO OFFENSE. . .

LoL.. LMAO.. hahahahahaha..

**ravi@17bhp** · 10-22-2013, 06:16 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

My post is conveniently ignored where I have provided some links explaining the break-up reasons of Hero/Honda. It clearly says, Hero needed permission of Honda to change even graphics.

Maybe people want to buy/see Karizma/ZMR at 2 lacs bracket with monoshock, new frame, new design, and powerful 30 ps engine, which does complete a CBR250, N300, KTM390, etc (karizma can be compared to any segment conveniently). Unfortunately, Hero decided to bring in an all new 250cc bike with all these features, which people don't want to see.

**itsmevini123** · 10-22-2013, 06:32 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

I don't expect anything good as much as what ever Bajaj is doing.....

**rreneav1987** · 10-22-2013, 06:37 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

My post is conveniently ignored where I have provided some links explaining the break-up reasons of Hero/Honda. It clearly says, Hero needed permission of Honda to change even graphics.

Maybe people want to buy/see Karizma/ZMR at 2 lacs bracket with monoshock, new frame, new design, and powerful 30 ps engine, which does complete a CBR250, N300, KTM390, etc (karizma can be compared to any segment conveniently). Unfortunately, Hero decided to bring in an all new 250cc bike with all these features, which people don't want to see.

If hero did bring up all those features to the Karizma.. the cost of the vehicle would increase.. and people will start cribbing about the prices..

they want something economical and something very good.. but they don't understand that is what the Karizma is about..

so how many people are going to buy the bike that the manufacturers have to offer in the nearing festive season?? lets see..

**Naveen1985** · 10-22-2013, 06:53 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

If hero did bring up all those features to the Karizma.. the cost of the vehicle would increase.. and people will start cribbing about the prices..

they want something economical and something very good.. but they don't understand that is what the Karizma is about..

so how many people are going to buy the bike that the manufacturers have to offer in the nearing festive season?? lets see..

but I strongly feel that hero will name its upcoming bike under karizma branding. May be karizma 250 or karizma zmr xx, karizma zmx...

**plasmabhai** · 10-22-2013, 06:54 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

This is a better news than seeing the upgraded Karizmas. A bigger re-tuned 223 cc motor would be the best for Impulse. Or, they can fit the 223cc mill as is on the bike..
It'd be a hoot to ride!

Lot of people here are lapping up the idea of an impulse with karizma engine, but that has already been done multiple times in our country by individual tuners. Following is just one example: Hero Impulse with Karizma engine tested Page - 1| ZigWheels.com

And just so that it is clear, impulse is not an "Indian Bike".... It is a 1000% HONDA BIKE. It is the exact same bike sold as Honda NXR 150 Bros in Brazil.

I also agree with @kochumvk in that the impulse is no where near what Hero is portraying it to be however it is not the bike who makes the rider, it is the rider who makes the bike and nothing demonstrates that better than this video of the hero impulse

As far as the engines are concerned, Hero has said that a 250cc is coming, believe me when I say this but that 250cc is that last thing Hero wants to perfect. When the agreement ends and Hero can no longer use the 100cc Honda gems then their splendour market is going to sink faster than titanic. If by then they do not have an excellent alternative, there is not going to be any money left in the Munjals pockets to even think about selling a 250cc ZMA/Impulse.

As far as the Bajaj vs Hero or the ZMA vs P200NS battle goes then without a shred of doubt no matter how hoarse the Hero Fanboys cry themselves, Bajaj and P200NS is the winner here at the present time.

But this is only because Bajaj has had a lot more time than Hero in the market. When Kawasaki Bajaj split, Kawasaki had zero toe hold in the market, and almost abandoned it. Even then Bajaj took years and years to come to the stage where it is today at - STILL behind Hero. Hero has not only to fight Rivals like Baja but mega corp like Honda who is a much tougher opponent in todays indian market to every one - from Yamaha to TVS to Hero to Bajaj. No body is playing this game better than Honda. Their Dream series and low displacement capacity bikes are already taking off. I see new ones every day on the roads. Discover is trying hard and getting there but not reached there yet. When the splendour days are over - be sure who is going to succeed. And it will probably not be Hero unless they make GOLD out of that new 100cc engine because that is where the money is, large capacities be damned...

p.s. : People need to chill and let go. Please! And also onus of finding proof is on the person who claims first. Neither side of the party is interested in backing their statements up with hard proof. I think both sides should stfu else this thread will also get locked - and every one knows I am talking about just 2 people here.
@Divya Sharan bhai tera quote example ke liye hi tha, dil pe mat liyo... Ok??!!! Mil kabhi chai sutta marte hai...

Edit: Formatting - goddammit o_O

**kochumvk** · 10-22-2013, 07:13 PM

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[MENTION=42765]plasmabhai[/MENTION] , shall I remind you that, I was not discrediting Hero there, was saying that hero put up an offroading bike (highly uncommon in India) on an Urban background in the official page portraying it as a street bike, actually its more than that.

To all those who still trying to fig out how bad Bajaj is , or how better a Karizma or 200NS is..., this is a thread about new engines developed by Hero.What is the relevance of taking karizma and even bajaj here guys. Again I am not asking anybody to grow up or get younger like Roul Vincy, just be a bit sensible.

If you like a bike just say boldly," Pulsar/Karizma sux, so what, I like it still",

Lets move on... or Mr, Monk can come back with that mop

**plasmabhai** · 10-22-2013, 07:16 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by kochumvk View Post

@plasmabhai , shall I remind you that, I was not discrediting Hero there, was saying that hero put up an offroading bike (highly uncommon in India) on an Urban background in the official page portraying it as a street bike, actually its more than that.

Oh, ok... But like I said - I agree with you - still do. Thanks for reminding everyone that this thread is about the engines.

**ravi@17bhp** · 10-22-2013, 07:30 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by plasmabhai View Post

As far as the engines are concerned, Hero has said that a 250cc is coming, believe me when I say this but that 250cc is that last thing Hero wants to perfect. When the agreement ends and Hero can no longer use the 100cc Honda gems then their splendour market is going to sink faster than titanic. If by then they do not have an excellent alternative, there is not going to be any money left in the Munjals pockets to even think about selling a 250cc ZMA/Impulse.

As far as the Bajaj vs Hero or the ZMA vs P200NS battle goes then without a shred of doubt no matter how hoarse the Hero Fanboys cry themselves, Bajaj and P200NS is the winner here at the present time.

But this is only because Bajaj has had a lot more time than Hero in the market. When Kawasaki Bajaj split, Kawasaki had zero toe hold in the market, and almost abandoned it. Even then Bajaj took years and years to come to the stage where it is today at - STILL behind Hero. Hero has not only to fight Rivals like Baja but mega corp like Honda who is a much tougher opponent in todays indian market to every one - from Yamaha to TVS to Hero to Bajaj. No body is playing this game better than Honda. Their Dream series and low displacement capacity bikes are already taking off. I see new ones every day on the roads. Discover is trying hard and getting there but not reached there yet. When the splendour days are over - be sure who is going to succeed. And it will probably not be Hero unless they make GOLD out of that new 100cc engine because that is where the money is, large capacities be damned...

Its not so easy as you said, Hero sinking down. I don't think Hero would sit without putting tough fight. In the recent news, it was evident that Hero can use the existing Honda engines till 2017. May be the new engines are reworked Honda engines, who knows? Now, Hero is free to change/modify the Honda engines, and the current 223cc engine is the proof. How far these changes would work is yet to be seen. And nobody here is saying that ZMA/ZMR is the best. There is no bike that caters to everyone. Lots of options available now, unlike before, and ZMA/ZMR is one option. I don't say P200NS is better than ZMR or ZMR is better than P200NS. They simply cater to different bikers with different needs. And the new bikes with extra power are yet to be tested.

As payeng said, this is the acid test time for Hero. They have to focus more on commuter segment than the ZMA/ZMR or the upcoming 250cc.

**rreneav1987** · 10-22-2013, 07:41 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

Its not so easy as you said, Hero sinking down. I don't think Hero would sit without putting tough fight. In the recent news, it was evident that Hero can use the existing Honda engines till 2017. May be the new engines are reworked Honda engines, who knows? Now, Hero is free to change/modify the Honda engines, and the current 223cc engine is the proof. How far these changes would work is yet to be seen. And nobody here is saying that ZMA/ZMR is the best. There is no bike that caters to everyone. Lots of options available now, unlike before, and ZMA/ZMR is one option. I don't say P200NS is better than ZMR or ZMR is better than P200NS. They simply cater to different bikers with different needs. And the new bikes with extra power are yet to be tested.

As payeng said, this is the acid test time for Hero. They have to focus more on commuter segment than the ZMA/ZMR or the upcoming 250cc.

True.. and comparing a p200ns with the karizma and zmr is like comparing a hayabusa with a FZ1 which are meant for different reasons..

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**Rakesh Rok** · 10-22-2013, 07:45 PM

Re: Hero Moto's 3 New Engines: xBhp News

Guys I guess we seriously need to put a HALT to this, seriously have a look at these points,
1. Why is everyone determining Hero's fate by just looking at the new bikes (sorry facelifts) that they have made, seriously they need a good break. . . Determining a bike's performance by just looking at the pics and without even riding or seeing it in flesh is a pure sign of FOOLISHNESS. . .
2. Time by time, it's just going off-topic, while some speaks with the topic, others go OT (include me for this list

). . .
3. I really don't understand some people who go comparing any bike they find, I guess tomorrow they'll see the xxxxx 250cc from Karizma and go compare that either with Duke390 or R1 or Discover ST, . .

So guys all OT speakers (including ME) let's stop it here, taking Hero's side or complaining about Hero, if you have a problem with Hero's products or you think the new Karizma looks like an ugly duckling, just LEAVE, we know what it is. . . Others let's get back to the topic, don't want this thread also to be blocked. . . Thanks all. . .

Cheers!!!

**payeng** · 10-22-2013, 07:47 PM

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This news link says that production of the Hero Impulse was stopped sometime in 2012..?!?
And that an upgrade with a big engine is coming.

Hero revs up for Impulse comeback

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