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I am not considering traffic/streets to rate "Handling". That would fall under "Maneuverability"

> The Duke with its light front end is best for City/Traffic runs and slicing (filtering) traffic
> The Ninja feels rock steady even at 140 kmph plus straights and precise and accurate on fast corners (even "fast" mid corner corrections aren't unnerving on the Ninja)
> The R15 feels like a scaled down Ninja in terms of its Handling and Stability at high speeds
> The 200NS feels like an upright R15 with its center of gravity obviously higher than the R15 (and accordingly the handling) and a feeling of slightly less weight on the front compared to the R15 (but more weight on the front compared to the Duke)

Also Try This: Rip the Bike and then Brake Hard (as on panic braking).. amount of Confidence one gets on the Ninja, R15 and 200NS (in that order) is something that the Duke can't match (the 390 is better than the 200 Duke on the "fast" handling part though).

P.S: Haven't ridden the CBR150R, but have heard its a good handler too.

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My experience shows otherwise. In my books R15 is way above Ninja in handling..And yes, I have tried that braking test..R15 feels lot composed than the Ninja 250.

Filtering through traffic is flickability or Maneuverability as you rightly said. On corners I could lean lot more than a Ninja. Yes, Ninja feels planted on straights or corner, but my experience suggests R15 is 2 notches above. But then if you are more comfortable on a Ninja 250 so be it for you.

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That's your Personal Opinion and Definition and you are entitled to it.

In my Personal Opinion is that the Ninja is Leagues ahead of the R15 in handling. i.e "Outside city, around Fast corners and under panic/late braking (now doesn't that sound like someone riding on a track?)".

R15 is good but its NOT God. But to its credit, the R15 does a pretty good job in Commuting (with decent fuel efficiency) on our congested cities as well.

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Payeng, its quite evident we have difference of opinion. Just like you I too have experience on riding these bikes in city, on highways, on twisties and my experience has been quite different than yours. And I am intentionally not typing in bold. It helps to stay cool.

And yes, R15 is God in handling in India. Cant help if you dont agree.

Having said that, to each his own. Good Luck with your riding.

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The compression ratio of Duke 390 is 12.88:1 to be precise and its the same worldwide They mostly retard the ignition or do something in ECU for Indian 91RON petrol, but the improvement in response on using Speed97 is apparent.

Yamaha can as well keep the compression ratio high and still avoid jerks.

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I perfer bolds

By the way if it might interest you, the Ninja and the R15 are almost so perfect in what they do that they feel almost BORING after a point of time! The R15 with its aggressive riding stance has a bit more "character" for me than the Ninja though.

But Hey..!! That's Me.. and Lucky me that I choose to be an "Agnostic".

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I think its obvious that the R25 is not going to be an R15 beater in the handling department. There is a reason why almost much all the race machines out there use a perimeter frame not a tubular frame. The R25 may have the looks of the R15 but not its purpose.

Honestly i can't understand why none of the Japanese manufacturers are interested in making a hard core 250-300 cc twin with the chassis, suspension, brakes, stock tires and other stuff specced like their supersports. In these times of high oil prices and economic recession i just can't believe there's no good demand for a scaled down supersport bike. :shakes head:

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Won't retarding the ignition timing affect the power output/bhps? I don't think KTM has a knock sensor to gauge the fuel quality. Not sure whether just remapping will help in reducing pinging/ knocking on such a high compression platform which ideally wants 95RON but is getting 91 or lesser. Anyways not going further into this.. will be interesting to see how Yamaha works this out in the Indian segment.

I guess we have had plenty of discussions on the R25, pricing and handling . Time to see when when when?? I guess expected date of rumoured launch should be around diwali or december (ofcourse if at all Yamaha wants to launch it!!)


Cheers,

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Are we confusing nimbleness with better handling?
Anyway, a 250 will not be quicker than a 150 in city at any time due to the weight difference primarily.

This time for a change, I'm happy the bike is heavy. At least cross winds won't affect it like the way they affect my R15!

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Whoohoo !!!
Seems like it's gonna put a strain on Yamaha production schedule. [emoji4]
However, that last para makes me shudder with fright. What if yammy brought single pot to keep costs down ??


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Isn't that a beauty

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"It also noted that the unknown bike had a declared value of INR 2,16,099." For more light on this line, check out this link.
Yamaha YZF R25 brought to India for INR 2.16 Lakhs - Motoroids.com
Its mere a cargo price


And did they say single cylinder?????????

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Yes. With even eyes closed!

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I can already imagine ducking behind the tall windscreen & checking out top speed!

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nah, doesnt have any of the looks either..still alright with me though..

me neither, but for very different reason than the demand for low power supersports in these times of recession and expensive fuel ..as i wrote once or twice long ago when the news of yamaha making some 250 sportbike became official (when they came out with that rossi and baby M1 prototype ad and etc), it appeared very sensible for me to imagine some of the major OEMs going into making full fledged 250-300 supersports simply for the reason that from 2015 or 16 (i forget) there's going to be a 250 class in world superbike series. that, i thought, would mean the major japanese four or even some europeans (i was thinking ktm and aprilia mostly since they both have had interest and experience in sub-600 cc racing machines in the past, but perhaps also bmw) manufacturers would come up with some really competitive 250 supersports for the purpose of racing them in that 250 WSBK class and slightly diluted road legal versions of some of those things will soon emerge in the markets to be sold to us..with the appropriate time with respect to that of the announcements of the R25 with that prototype ad, and of daytona 250 and what not, i really thought that was indeed what was going to happen. but turns out not.

perhaps that's what the YZF R3 for europe and north america is going to be, a real full fledged lightweight sportbike that enthusiasts there have been wanting for over a decade now and which with not too expensive and minimal aftermarket mods can be made professionally race ready for that 250 wsbk class (since the plan was to make it an affordable entry/feeder class for the bigger sbk racing). at least i continue to hope so, despite the fact that it won't be for me to buy one of those if it's really going to be for EU and NA only..anyways.

unless of course the plans of starting that 250 class racing in wsbk series has been chucked away with no one knowing about it.

i like this R25 as well though, very impressive specs and sport touring features surely makes it a very easy (as in comfy) ride which is also a huge plus in practical terms..but that part of mind that really has long wanted to have the option of a proper quality and reliable sportbike in the 250-400 class, perfect to power-upgrade from the brilliant R15v2, is left unsatisfied..

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the way i see it, nimbleness, traffic maneuverability, etc is all part of the "handling" aspect...some people use the narrower sense of the word "handling" which means how it behaves under hard braking, cornering etc, but really handling is just how it handles in any kind of situation be it traffic flickability, hard braking, cornering, on slippery roads, etc :-)