Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

IMO, R25 will reach its targeted base in India irrespective of the price. People who have had patience for years will hardly be bothered about price. Even when R15 came out, it was way too costly as a 150cc. But look around today and count the number of R15 on the streets. Performance, reliability and quality matters to most rather than the price when it comes to a long term investment. There are several 150CC bikes which will cost you under 75K. And there is R15 at 1.25L+.
And yes it's an Yamaha. There are many people who were and are lucky enough to enjoy a ride on a RD350 and know what performance means and were eagerly waiting for anything similar from the Japs - must be excited enough with R25.
BTW, I don't have the money to buy a bike for the projected price of R25 in India!!!

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I don't know in general about twins but the Ninja's have a 10K service interval as compared to the 5K for the KTMs. So the higher parts prices are almost offset by the lesser frequency of visits.
I don't remember coming out of the svc after a paid visit having spent lesser than 3.5-4k. The last service for my duke 200 was INR 7K with only the chain-sprocket kit change and a fork seal replacement anything over than the usual.

The Triumphs also have a lower frequency recommended if I am not wrong. So the KTMs are a bit intensive which can be ascribed to the not so stellar parts quality.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

According to me yamaha will definitely localize yamaha r25 because of following reasons:

1> yamaha knows very well that companies like triumph, hyosung etc are coming up with localize sub 300cc category bikes as their plants are under construction which means yamaha will make its future safe rather than depending on CKD route.

2> Kawasaki is competing with yamaha in a segment only. As we all yamaha is a much bigger company in India with all the resources and power to localize r25. That is why yamaha should manufacture r25 in India to trump kawasaki and honda with one shot. People here are comparing it with kawasaki a lot which makes no sense at all as localizing r25 will require much lesser effort than localizing ninja300 because yamaha is a established company in India with Good and reliable vendor base and resources.

3> As far as business is concerned. I think yamaha should earn profits with volumes in a price sensitive market like India rather then earning more margins from low sales.

4> I know yamaha r25 is not direct rival to CBR 250 or RC series or HX 250r or Mojo or upcoming TVS 250 but any thing can happen in India. So yamaha will try their best to keep the price in check so that they can compete with established companies like bajaj, tvs and hero who are known for their VFM products. People can pay 20-40000 rs/- extra for their brand name and quality which they offer but they will not shell out 1.25-1.5 lacs extra for yamaha.

5> Remember when yamaha launched r15 in India. It was expensive than its rivals but it offered a lot of things which were exclusive and unique. As a result of that mind set of Indian customers changed drastically which affected karizma and p220 sales a lot, however these two bikes were in lower price range. I think this time also yamaha is thinking of giving some thing unique and exclusive at 20-30% extra price which can change the game again and by doing this it can compete with army of single cylinder bikes in 250-300 cc range like cbr 250, hx 250, tvs 250, triumph 250, mojo 300, hyosung gd 250 etc and twin cylinder bikes like ninja 300, hyosung gt250r etc with single weapon called YAMAHA R25....

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia


the wait is finally over
but is the wait worth the time ????
a very big question

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

It's worth if one is willing to shell out 2.50 -2.70 Lac

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I also agree the R25 is not in competition with the CBR...due to their different characters in engine.

And about that percent of customer who knows the difference between the Single and the twin is not greater than the list of customer who consider price factor...at least in India...I would like to quote an example that why RTR sells more than FZ in India...as they are in the same category its simply due to the price factor, where FZ is expensive than the RTR, which leads the RTR to sell in better volumes over the FZ. and

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Pricing will play a very important role because there are already few big players in this segment
the pricing should be below two lakhs if it wants to capture the market because the cbr 250 r abs retails at more or less 2lakhs if i am not wrong
then there is alredy the ktms 200 and 390 both below 2lakhs
then the hero hx 250 and bajaj ss 200 r coming in the market
so its only and only the value for monney that yamaha needs to prove to sell this product in the indian market.
then again i being personally an yamaha user i know that yamaha is very reliable and very rough and tough but still at a perticular point i think if it comes to india with a price tag of 2.70 lakhs it wont sell as much as the yamaha r15 sold and got success
THE PRICING AND VALUE FOR MONNEY WILL DRAW THE FINAL VERDICT ON ITS SELL STORY IN INDIA..

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I THINK WE SHOULDNT BE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE IN INDONASIA
THE PRICE OF YAMAHA R15 IN INDONASIA COSTED 28 MILLION RUPIAH WHICH WAS THEN 1.50 LAKS IN INR VALUE BUT IT WAS RETAILED IN INDIA AT A PRICE TAG OF 1.08 LAKS ON ROAD KOLKATA AND CBR 150 RETAILED AT 2.45 INR IN INDONASIA WHERE AS AT 1.15 LAKS IN KOLKATA THEN

SO THE PRICE WILL BE MUCH LESS IN INDIA I THINK

AT LEAST 50000 TO 60000 LESS

I MIGHT BE WRONG ALSO
WHAT EVER I SAID, I SAID ON SPECULATIONS

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Yeah !! Maybe I missed the central theme of your post. Happens to IT people. BTW, apart from biking knowledge I am also picking up on my reading and writing/composing skill and all thanks to xBhp.

Point noted and agreed upon.

Seriously bro, if Yamaha really place the price at the range you're saying, I will personally give you a treat. Because I would be saving a lot of money then.

Again point taken and agreed.

I don't quite agree over here. Some machines are there, which are launched as premium. Otherwise, potential people will not buy it. That's why there's the term of 'Limited Edition' and 'Special Edition' in almost all the products. Exclusivity is the word. Manufacturers charge a premium over the standard ones for these as those are exclusive. For example, Fiat has both Punto and 500 in India. But there's a difference of almost 9L INR, because 500 is premium product. People drool over Litreclass bikes, Triples, Bugatti , Porsches, Ferraris, Lamborghinis as they can't buy and other way that's the same reason why potential buyers buy those mean machines. They offer exclusivity. Tell me, if those products are being sold as mass products will there be a hype created about them? No. Can't Kawasaki sell the N300 at ~3L INR? Can't Yamaha sell the R15 at ~1L INR. Yes they can. But they offer it as premium. Why? It will give their customers a premium feeling which you'll experience personally. That premium feeling is of zero value but still people love to be felt premium. That's the same reason why I said that Yamaha may think of making R25 as premium bike. Cause then the potential buyers will feel premium, though the whole 'premium' thing is nothing but marketing gimmick.


I am not hell bent. I'm a broke person totally. But If Yamaha launches R25 at 2.25L INR, trust me, as I said before, I will give you a treat.

But it was a good discussion with you over R25. Let's not argue anymore. Let Yamaha launch the R25 here and then we can start from where we're leaving today.

Yeah !! Very true !!! Same way Pulsar sale is more than FZ. Cause of the price. But most of the people who have ridden/owned a FZ swear by it, which is not exactly the case for both Pulsars or RTRs.

It's my personal opinion only.

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I just hope Yamaha doesn't read these "premium-premium" posts and get carried away, and price the R25 uber expensively!

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Yeah my bad. I meant to say Duke 390 is in the market for long. Hence you probably know what to expect from RC.

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No matter what we discuss here, Yamaha will price R25 it deems fit. When R15 was launched at higher than expected price most were of the opinion that it would fail because of its price. But people slowly appreciated what it was all about.

Same may happen with R25. Yamaha is not known to price its products attractively. It is buyers who have to sooner or later adapt to its pricing. I dont see why it would be any different this time, especially when their year on year numbers are still positive.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

The R25, if it comes localised parts to a good extent can be expected to be priced below 2.5 but if not then it will surely not be below 2.5L. It's just not possible for them to sell it at price and make any decent money. But this bike is well made and supposed to offer a better choice to people looking at CBR250 and and low price alternative to people looking at N300. So, it is kind of placed in between and leaning more toward N300 in character and would be priced likewise.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

I think its high time to rename this thread as 'Yamaha R25 price speculation'

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

They way I see it, both Yamaha & KTM are in the same league when it comes to expected quality. We expect RC to be a lot like Duke 390. And We expect YZF R25 to be a lot like YZF R15. We have a point of reference in both cases.
Which turns out to be more of a good news for Yamaha, although yes, Duke 390's quality has improved too over time, & Yamaha's engine will be all new.
BTW trips of 1600+kms/ day are possible on both bikes, someone did a SS on both of them AFAIK, although yes, quality is not all about riding on and on...


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But, why people attribute quality with service occurrence/ schedule is what I don't understand?
Just because parts are officially scheduled to be replaced often DOES NOT mean that they are of low quality. In fact, in India many owners go on and on, without even servicing, and still their vehicle continues to work normally.

If a part lasts 20k kms, you can schedule its replacement in 15k, 10k, or even 5k in some cases, as per business needs. It could be possible that KTM wants quick movement of inventories, including all their parts, for some internal business reason. Does it in any way signify that once you miss a service, your bike's gonna go rough or will break down in 2000 kms more? No. It doesn't.
Yes, I officially certify that the Duke 390 is a strange/ different kind of bike. It idles unstably at around 2 krpm, heats up in low rpms but remains moderate on high revving on racetracks & tours, switches off in low speeds sometimes, may require longer cranking to start, etc. Otherwise, riding it is still no problem at all. And higher octane fuel is known to solve some/ all of these issues.
Its still dominating roads though, which makes up for every little thing it lacks in. Ask owners how they dominate the roads, and you will know why it sells.



Coming back to the R25, if its anything like R15, one shouldn't fear at all. We all know what R15 is, we all know that only big complaint against it was the displacement- and when Yamaha is solving it, along with an added cylinder, we should just relax and wait for Yamaha to do their job, which they know very well.
Price depends on how they import/ manufacture/ source the bike. We'll have to wait and see.

And, just for reminding everyone, we shouldn't be even talking on the topic of service costs. Performance bikes will prove expensive in everything, from tyres, to service, to fuel, to other maintenance. Some bikes more, some less.
The faster in league, the more expensive. Its a fact. Get it, only if you're ready for it.

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Yamaha's pricing has been discusses extensively in the earlier thread too. It one of the favorite topics here. However, hardcore Yamaha fans will opt for the R25 regardless of pricing. Yamaha is known to price their products steeply and R25 is not going to be an exception. Furthermore, Yamaha doesn't believe in penetrating the market by cutting the prices of its offerings. Yammies come at price and, in my opinion, the price is justified. R15 is the best example. Even after 5 years of launch, it almost costs the same. Other manufacturers have doled out much powerful offerings at cheaper rates but this has not meant death knell for R15.

Typically in an oligopoly a company with a price advantage will always penetrate the market with lesser priced offerings. Bajaj /Hero will always want their sales figures graphs to steep exponentially.
Historically, Yamaha has never resorted to aggressive pricing tactics to capture market share. They have a product and they believe it kicks ass. Now they need to ensure that the customer believes that too.

It goes without saying that most people will opt for the most powerful bike in their budget which would inevitably be SS400/CS400/RC series. A confused buyer will not opt for the R 25. Guys who are on the fence will mostly opt for RC unless KTM seriously ****s up. Guys upgrading from Pulsar 220/NS will mostly opt for CS/SS 400 due to the price advantage. Hero fans will go for HX250.

Yes. Yamaha entered very late in the market and they have lost quite a bit of share to Kawa. But with the R25, a prospective Ninja buyer will definitely look at the R25 before making the final decision.

I, for one, am happy that I have an option from Yamaha to upgrade. And like Rossi said a couple of months back. This bike DOES pack a punch.

And I am blown.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Just wanted to ask a noobish question. Would R25 require 91 octane fuel owing to higher compression ratio ?