Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Can you speculate what kind of 'internal business needs' would prompt a company to insist on replacement of a part in 5k kms which would last 20 kms? I see the internal business need as strictlty a business need, meaning profit!!
Btw I don't think Bajaj has targeted that kind of interval for the cycle parts of the duke. I am not talking about the chassis, which I think is a gem, but the general nut /bolts/gaskets.
/chain/ etc.
I would be honest to say that the duke 200 is my first ride and I don't have a previous ride of a different make to compare it with, but this also gives me a unbiased view to look at it.
I have had many instances when the spanner had simply ground the edges a screw/nut rendering it useless and forcing a replacement. A business need for opting for bad metallurgy?
How about oil leaking from numerous 200 and 390 heads(I haven't had this issue, touchwood). The chain and sprocket lasting less than 10K in many cases?
Suspect clutch? The fan also needed replacement?The tank leaking in under 25 K(Ok it's plastic so may be a design thing and is susceptible to cracks, but then the bumpy Indian roads should have been taken into account )
Make no mistake, the duke is a hoot to ride, but the quality is definitely subpar. Your bike is new. I hope you don't have to change your view as the bike ages

yes, historically, Yammies have been premiumly priced, meaning they were content with lesser numbers and higher margins. But this never drives growth and the reason they are still a relatively small company in India(and globally too compared to the other Japs). They were not driven by growth,yes. But I think they are now. They want growth now and they want to capture the market for that.Look at their global strategy and the launches they have made. Chief among them is the FZ-09. They have tried to pull a 390 duke there. The FZ 09 is 847 cc triple which is priced at a mind boggling price of $7999. This is competing with the brutales ,street triples and monsters but is priced several dollars lesser. They have compromised a bit on the chassis.The forks are below par and the shock too, plus the fueling is glitchy. But the motor is an absolute gem. The quality aware Yaks and the Euros are going ga ga over the motor despite these shortcomings.
So Yamaha is playing the price card there. A lot like what KTM is doing in India with the 390. Fantastic motor and awesome specs and great value as a package.Is not as uncompromising as the Triumphs or the MVs or the Ducati's(quality wise), but won't burn a hole in your pocket.
So if the global strategy has any bearing on the Indian arm, and I think it has going by the flurry of scooter launches, then they'd bring manufacturing of the R25 here to keep costs down, since CKD would relegate the R25 to a fringe-premium offering like the N300.
I am not saying this will happen. But this has to happen if Yamaha wants to make some numbers and grow.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

If that is true (i.e pricing aggressively) than they (Yamaha) probably don't believe that their Crux, YBR 110, SS125 and SZ-X-R-RR is "Kick Ass" enough.

One has Pricing power when one the Product/Service is "Differentiated"... Like the "puffed up muscles" on the FZ and the "mini R1 like full fairing" on the R15

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

91 RON is the standard fuel in India right now.

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So will it suffice or one has to opt for higher 93 - 97 ?

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WOW. my eyes are bleeding blood after reading so much

to sum it up:

Guys speculating on pricing: its not worth it till its launched

guys speculating it will win/lose depending on pricing: come after 1 year after its launched and has done sales.

so basically speculating something thats really not gonna help in anyways is total waste of time all we do is "bashing" rather discussing on the product thats infront of you.

lets talk about the design, engine etc. let the company worry about the sales and pricing, thats their job. Let discuss on what might work (as few guys discussed about it) and what might not.

Right now i dont see a reason the bike wont work here other than the "speculative" pricing we are talking about.
you are getting a twin,
good power,
comfortable ride,
better headlights,
new design (thank goodness it does not follow the same design and different CC "strategy" ),
a globally launched bike which means better aftermarket products and finally i hope there is a frame slider,
i will blindly trust the handling and braking.
a new designed console with more things at offer unlike r15 console. (here is what i did after looking at the earlier one provided by the launch and gave it to this FB page)



If any of you thinks that yamaha is not considering india as their "target" then i will say its untrue.
Yamaha took feedback from current r15 owners on the bike design of r15 last year and most of them said they would want a little comfortable bike.

OT: people complained about r15 being too 'rider friendly' and not a pillion friendly. also a little stressful for the rider. any one noticed that the duke has tiny seat? and the RC series is still more sporty (meaning more stress for riders in city and elsewhere) and that tiny seat with that height (agian more stress for riders and very less comfort for pillion) and as per me the things that didnt work for r15 for few customers will happen more with RC and also not to forget few other things

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

[MENTION=10465]payeng[/MENTION] Sir : Hell no ! That was not in my mind when I wrote kick-ass !

@ Doga : I wasn't aware with what Yamaha did with Fz-09 and I hope your theory holds true. And if Yamaha is looking for some big numbers in India then it'll have to price it competitively.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

11.6:1 should run fine with 91 RON. There are bikes with higher CR running without trouble with Indian fuel. Since Yamaha seem to be focusing more on developing countries with this bike, they'll have tested it thoroughly with the lower octane fuels.

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[MENTION=37022]Ron Syl[/MENTION] Ronnie Bhai,, any idea as to where exactly is that R & D R25; I mean which street/road is it on?
Last update from [MENTION=57593]saquib3005[/MENTION] was - Mr. Meghan from Gaadi.com is redlining & trying lean angles on it
Anything on performance, any pictures/reviews.... anything at all - One year seems to long and I am already short of patience, although I must admit that I am monetarily incapable as of now

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Yes they will make changes to the fueling.

UD bhai, no idea on which road yet. All i know is the testing starts from north and ends in south covering summer, rains and winter. lemme try to get across to him if he is free from revving the juice out of it . 8 months waiting

UPDATE: [MENTION=48174]chaosaddict[/MENTION] UD bhai, meghan aint riding it he said it might be at factory in surajpur so expect it to be spotted the way r15v2 was spotted

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Thanks for the prompt updates bro - the quickness that can come only from an ardent Yamaha fan such as yourself
I guess, I am gonna hafta suppress my urges by drastically reducing the frequency of viewing related media; these are influential, you know!

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he he i am just a message away for you here (in bangalore) bro. the best thing for me is i have about 5 sources in YRC itself that i can pretty much blindly trust with the updates

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guys, any idea whether ABS might be an option?

The white and blue colour looks rich and gorgeous

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Ninja's 250R/300 have service interval of 6000 kms. So plz never compare the service cost of Ninja with KTM.

Triumphs have indeed 10K kms of service interval only after 1st servicing.

R15s have only 3000Kms of service interval.

About the parts pricing, the Duke-200 is cheaper than R15.

Being R25 a twin, the service interval may be 5k-6K.

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off topic, but just wanted to remark that actually from what i have seen being written by owners worldwide in the internet, these european companies' bikes dont usually or necessarily have that uncompromised quality and built as the japanese four, and still cost several thousand euros and dollars more...the MVs have been known to be very finicky in way too many cases, and so have many of the triumphs, ducatis, aprilias and bmw, and also ktms if you consider their non off-road products...of course, many of the japanese bikes also have had frequent issues or major issues, but all that matters is the statistical weight of all that and statistically the japanese always seem to have more reliability, better built and better overall ability to endure riding them rough and fast frequently with lesser nautanki and maintenance..

unless by quality you meant only the engine horsepower and such, in which case yes most of european bikes have probably been faster than their japanese counterparts in the same cc or style/category segment, particularly in the last 5-6 years the europeans have usually built "faster" bikes, but many people say that's also because the japanese stopped concentrating on their high end bikes ever since the recession hit them hard..anyways :-)

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Even though price discussion might have come to an end see this link




Imported at Delhi valued at 2.2l so if its an CKD add 25% tax(not sure) .
If its manufactured fully in India its surely 2.2l with maximum localisation .
P.S discussing about price to calculate the bucks we should save to opt one.