Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Hmm, that's news to me. I agree, we are going to see a supersport like 250-300 bike only when it becomes a well established competitive racing class like the Supersports. I would to love see that happen and hopefully soon.

> but that part of mind that really has long wanted to have the option of a proper quality and reliable sportbike in the 250-400 class, perfect to power-upgrade from the brilliant R15v2, is left unsatisfied..

Personally i am really hot on the upcoming KTM RC 200. I love the Duke 200's powerband and that close ratio gearbox is just kickass! Also the 200 is quite refined and not vibey like the 390. (Going by the 200's owernership thread it does have a few quality issues though nothing major i suppose.)
There was some buzz about Aprilia building a 200 cc sportbike a year ago but haven't heard anything about it since.

> the way i see it, nimbleness, traffic maneuverability, etc is all part of the "handling" aspect

No they are not! Maneuverability is a concern for the typical city commuter. Handling is a concern for the rider with intermediate or advanced riding skills (even for street riding). Handling really matters when a rider starts approaching the limits of the bike. Fact is most riders will never get there in terms of riding skill.

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see this from about a year ago - http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/popu...k-250cc-class/ ... it seems the decision has yet not been finalised. i might have remembered a bit inaccurate but anyway that 250 class is soon expected to start happening.

yeah, it appeared to be the expectation at the time when aprilia said something about planning to go bigger in india and other major asian markets with plans of small cc bikes...i think this also happened sometime exactly a year or so ago from today..i had commented somewhere it'd be awesome to have a properly built 250/300 RSV2 (unless it's also a V4 :P).

still dreaming of a day that has the following open to buy and rip (and dreaming of that kind of free money :P) - a proper 250/300 YZF R3, ZX-2/3R, CBR250/300RR, GSXR250/300, RSV2 250/300, S250/300RR, panigale 250/300, daytona 250R :P :P well at least the RC 200 and 390 will be reality soon haha

sorry guys, way off topic.



i believe filtering through traffic skillfully very fast yet safe through those usually narrow gaps and overtakes requires fairly advanced street riding skills mate ;-)

anyway, i meant handling's meaning as a general word includes the hand-ling capability of the rider and bike in any and all kinds of external conditions..of course, in some you and your bike will be good, in some not so much.

true story, with respect to the emphasis on that italicised word.

true story again. in terms of riding skill as well as even having the opportunity to test the limits of riding skills (which requires the availability of race tracks in several regions because that really is the ideal place where all to focus is on you and your bike and not random other things that forever exist or can exist suddenly on the public roads)

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[MENTION=40282]incipient[/MENTION] - haha i see i have a comment posted on that asphaltandrubber article :P

Re: Yamaha R25 Showcased at Tokyo Motor Show: xBhp News

Ninja quite ruled the quarter litre segment for a long time! Maybe its timeout for "the Father of all 250cc's"
Yesss Yamahaa! xD

Re: Yamaha R25 Showcased at Tokyo Motor Show: xBhp News

This is the reason, we are not going to be seeing this in india anytime soon..
Overall lovely bike, it would be refreshing if it does come here

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia


No Sir..A bike that is designed to handle well will be easy to flick or maneuver in traffic. Can you maneuver a Bullet or a Pulsar as easy as an RTR or a R15 in traffic? Why?

Heard of Salolm test for bikes and cars? To salolm is to zig-zag. A machine that handles well will zig-zag pretty well. Zig-zag is flickability or Maneuverability.

Quoting "The slalom is an excellent test of a car and bikes transient handling prowess and is influenced by a number of factors including its suspension tuning, physical dimensions and weight, to name a few. "

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With bigger fonts comes bigger visibility.

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Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Ok, so if a small 50cc moped can zig-zag through a set of cones placed 2 feet apart and a 160+ kg MotoGP bike can't do that, is it because the moped has got better handling?

My R15v2 has got great handling but i can't say its very maneuvarable in traffic (not that it concerns me), certainly not as good as say an RTR.

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Answering that question looks futile. You dont want to agree be my guest.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

that's why i said handling as a general word means hand-ling of a bike in any and all kinds of scenarios (corners, hard braking, traffic, slippery road etc etc) and obviously some bike and some rider will be better in some of those scenarios than the other...a race bike is a better handling bike on corners, brakes etc and not in traffic (usually), a moped or small commuter is a better handling object in traffic but not on corners...

imo it's all basically a matter of semantics and the context in which one is using the word/concept, and how narrowly or broadly the word's meaning is being used/implied/expressed.

so that would imply it's not as good handling a machine in traffic conditions as something else that's better..

personally, while i havent ridden rtr and all those bikes, i find R15v2 extremely awesome and precise handler/maneuverabler in traffic...maybe it's just my skill (:P) or whatever, but absolutely no complains and rather awesomeness in filtering the bike through narrow gaps and overtakes in heavy traffic that frequently includes hard braking, sudden accelerations and very curvy overtaking/gaping-through lines all together and/or one after the other..:-)

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One of the main reasons why the R15v2 in not as maneuverable in traffic as an RTR is because of its longer wheel base. (the fairing, narrow clip-ons and the general bulk doesn't help)
But its a better handler than the RTR. Hence my point. Anyway, lets not worry about it anymore. ;-)

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Reading all the news going around I'm afraid this R25 looks to good to be true for India. It is looking more likely that they are going a plonk a single pot 250CC and sell it for 2.2L here, which would be the anticlimax IMO.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Agree. Yamaha would play safe and put a single cylinder engine. They would sell more bikes that way.

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Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

If that happens I will be one among many disgruntled prospective Yamaha customers !! I would start dreaming about Ninja again.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Exactly, same here. A single pot will be the disappointment.
But i don't think that's gonna happen. It will be a twin.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

yep true story ;-)