Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Correct !!! It will sell like hot cakes as it is a Yamaha and by that name we understand superb handling and performance About the sports touring thing I guess they have sticked to the goal of 'Superbike for everyday'

My 2 cents would be - Yamaha is not even trying to compete with Honda CBR250. Cause CBR250 is a single cylinder and R25 is a twin...so no comparision...but yes if they do take in and still bring out the twin R25 at below 3L INR price tag, be assured most people, who knows what is the difference between single and twin cylinder engines, will definitely go for R25.

Exactly. Don't know why people are worried about the impact on CBR250's sale.

R25 will never be launched as a mass bike...it will be launched as a premium bike...see the example of Nano, 'the world's cheapest car' tag got glued to it, and whenever people see it call it the 'cheap' car...so once your product gets that 'cheap' tag glued, you're gone...Yamaha is not gonna do that...they will offer it as a premium bike...so that people pay the premium to buy it and feel happy over the premium feel

Wrong. R25's engine displacement = (0.785)*60*60*44.1*2 [(pi/4)*bore*bore*stroke*no. of cylinders] = 249253.2 cubic mm = 249.25 cc (1cc = 1000cubic mm/1 cubic mm = 0.001 cc).

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pretty sure it's the kerb/wet weight...if 166 kgs is the dry weight, with the 14+litre tank it's wet weight will be about 175+ kgs, which would be very over heavy for a 250, not even the ninjas weigh that much with full tank (172 for 300, 170 kg for 250R) and that itself is considered too heavy for 250-300 bikes..

even with kerb weight at 166 kgs, it's actually a bit too heavier than what many people were expecting (which was about 160-162 kgs at most)...as a more sport-touring aimed bike than a full-on supersport though, that weight is fine...besides, it weighs 4-6 kgs lesser than its main competitors (the two ninjas) with more power than one of them and nearly as much as the other, so the power to weight ratio is, naively speaking, much higher.

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Wow bidding for the price has been started some 'price gurus'. Some people are even ready to shell out 3l. We dont even know if this bike will be built in India or come through CKD route, yet we have started the speculation ! If this bike is built in India I dont see why it should be priced above 2l - look at Duke 390, Hero HX250 . We all should wish the price to be priced as low as possible for the benefit of all. Keep in mind that Yamaha India may be going through general reactions of Indian people. Comments like 2.5l,3l may give impression to Yamaha that lets price it higher, people are ready to shell out premium.So I request all to stop this higher spectrum price speculation.

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First of all, lovely bike with great numbers up its sleeves.
If someone has been following Yamaha launches and their strategy in general, then he will realize that yamaha is no longer content with releasing the odd 'masterpiece' every 6-7 years and occupying a premium space.

They are trying to grab market percentage, much like what Honda has been trying to do but albeit with lesser vigour, justifying their means(Honda is a giant globally and has the resources to launch product after product, without bothering too much of the financial implications of a dud).Look at the way the 'performance biking' company has been busy launching scooters

I doubt they'd launch a 'competitor' to Ninja as most people have been stating. And I mean competing in price terms. Come to think of it, there aren't too mnay Ninja's on the roads. Something in the range of 3 lacs for the Yam would be equivalent of committing Harakiri by Yamaha.

This has to be a product for yamaha which would give it much needed share of 'premium affordable' bikes in India and the learner bike pie globally.
Keeping the price low doesn't mean giving it a 'cheap' image like what happened in Nano's case. First of all, 2-2.25 Lacs is not cheap by any means for a bike in India and secondly, what matters is how it's positioned in ads. If they concentrate on the performance with a muscular ad campaign, then there is no reason to think that junta would term it cheap since its less pricey than the Ninja. I think this is ridiculous to think. Nobody would buy the Pulsar over the FZ then, since pulsar is cheaper than the FZ. The pulsar ads have been awesome over the years and helped to form the cult we have for the pulsar brand.
Yamaha has the brand image thing covered anyway as they are always thought of building powerful bikes with amazing quality here.

I think if they bring the 250 here, then it'd be locally manufactured for sure to keep the price down and has to be around the RC390. No body targets kawasaki as a competitor in India, may be globally but not in India. They don't have numbers here and Yamaha would have the CBR/RC in mind when bringing anything here.

I don't understand this talk of a twin belonging to a separate segment than a single even if the performance figures are same. I understand people with love of multiple cylinders having the cash would prefer the twin over a single even settling for a few less ponies. But the aam junta don't give a damn for a twin and would always keep in mind the bang for buck criteria. The 'kitna deti' hai question has been increasingly rare these days but I have been asked 'kitni speed tak gaya hai ispe' many times. So performance figures are important and the RC has the Yam comfortably covered there. May be on the road the difference would not be as stark as on paper(difference in power at crank is sometimes much more than what is at the wheel), but still the RC would have the upper hand.
The CBR on the other hand looks set to loose on every count and a decent price for this would mean Honda would scamper to bring the new CBR design to India with more hp.

So they need to play the price card very carefully

They'd have to manufacture the R25 here to share the pie with CBR and RC and may be later bring the R3 as a super premium CKD offering to compete with the N300.

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Hope Yamaha(mgmt) reads this and price the twin accordingly.

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@ Doga , bang on mate, exactly what i was thinking there is no point in bringing in this bike as CKD, i has to be manufactured in India, and may be exported out.second thing, if RC390and R25 is on same price point, or very close, then R25 may face difficulty.In my opinion 2.0 to 2.25 lakhs is the ideal price.

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Twin cylinder, locally manufactured, below 3L OTR&we have a winner here.
I for one, am already sold by just seeing the redline&power figures!

P.S. I don't care about the rear sets, rake angle, color combo, rear seat or tyre etc. as long as it lives upto the R series handling monicker.

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i dont know if someone has already said it,but damn! a two pot from yamaha which we can actually buy...the racetracks are going to be fun and sadly the roads more unsafe..

Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Sometimes I don't understand what do we actually want as consumers. Low price or good quality because afaik both of these don't exist in this world together.

People are speculating that rc will eat the sales of r25 in case of higher price difference. But have we considered the reliability which we will be loosing ?
Look around the d390 forum. Oil leaks within 2k of ownership, coolant seepage hell broken alloys not bent but broken. In such a scenario I will happily shell 30-40k more if I am getting better quality. ( No offence to any duke owner ). Compare this to ninja owners who have far less issues and always praise the quality and finish of the bike.

In case of cbr which is highly localised bike the price is ~2l. Add to that cbr is going to update its line up with the latest model which bumps the power to 29 bhp ( it is sure gonna add at least 10k more on top model). And since we are getting a twin cylinder I believe it will definitely add to the cost. Also setting up a facility will not be feasible in the initial months in India. IMO yamy will first check the demand and then will think about investing more in India.

This does not mean that ideal price should not be 2.3l. But we should not expect from Yamaha to deliver something ingenious at delectable price.

P.S : I am not a spoilt brat of rich dad who is willing to shell more. It's just that I don't want to have high expectations and watch them shattered when price is released. ( like what happened with triumph Daytona)

P.P.S : ok I am may be bit spoilt but definitely not rich. [emoji13]


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Could not be more true. Reading posts of few members above it is quite disheartening. You want sun and moon and you dont want to pay the price. I dread to buy RC just because of lots of issues with its naked siblings. Yamaha has never compromised on quality and all their products have been well rounded.

I am in the same boat as you are. And I always feel Yamaha was right when it made a comment that India is not ready for such kind of bike. Any manufacturer that decides to give us a quality product we shoot it down with unrealistic expectations. Hope things are better now and Yamaha sees success with R25.

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Superb reply mate..!! -Mooh ki baat cheen li-
Good point, impression must not be given to yamaha motors that people are ready to shell out big amount. Also everybody do not have this much money.

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we dont want sun and moon, and definitely dont want yamaha to compromise on quality.

but we think that manufacturing it in india and selling it at around 2.25 lakhs and also exporting (like R15) is feasible with profit for company.

plz dont suggest higher price point to yamaha guys.

think, a CBR sells at 2.0 lakhs approx. with ABS and manufactured in india, if CBR makes it two cylinder, can they not sell it 2.25 lakhs.


while a price point of 2.25 -2.3 lakhs is profitable feasible for yamaha R25, the actual price point will obviously depend on what yamaha think is the right price for india, how much profit they want and whether it is manufactured in india.

but if they price it above 2.5 lakhs or close to 3 lakhs, it will surely impact sales numbers.

Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion.

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Because the 30.6hp CBR300R is in India for R&D right now and will go on sale by the end of this year. Its already launched in Thailand for 2.41 lakhs INR and when the R25 rolls out the pricing will be much closer.

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At all those who are talking about price of the R25, please remember this.

Fast and reliable is not cheap.
Fast and cheap is not reliable.
Cheap and reliable is not fast.

There's no way you can get a bike which is fast, reliable and cheap as well. For those who want a cheap bike, you have 2 options.
Cheap and reliable = slow
Cheap and fast = not reliable.
It's your choice. Do not expect the R25 to be priced low. It won't be. I am ready to pay 3 lakhs for this beauty. And I'm not rich. I have been dreaming for this for a long time. And my 2 years of hard work and savings are not enough to buy this. Am still a very long way behind. And talking about competition, Yamaha themselves mentioned that they are competing wit the Ninja. I guess you guys missed that part.

OT: that CBR300R looks eye candy and way better than CBR250R. Looks promising.

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I guess in India, we develop a default mental mechanism that governs our reactions towards price. Barring the lesser percentage of enthusiastic urban crowd, the ordinary junta will always be finicky in case of high-priced commodities. The RC and R25 analogy will keep igniting conflicts between think tanks; this is just the beginning! As biking fanatics, we can discuss points rationally but imagine a situation which involves the majority - RC390 is a definite win.

For they aren't bothered about the hidden but significant facets that differentiates both the bikes from each other, and make them superior in one or the other feature. A SHOWBAAZ does not give a rat's arse about the functionality anyways, or maybe they are confused in defining their own requirements in a bike.

The problem lies in the fact that we all know, in all probability the Yammie will outshine the RC (I am a YAMAHA fan), but we also cannot deny anything about RC being a superb package overall. And when it comes to our hard earned savings, the typical Indian customer inside us start playing funny games, and we start digging, researching which essentially influences our decisions. BTW if R25 is specifically taking on Ninja 300, I guess there shouldn't be a problem, and yea - why bother about the RC! (that's only me though - 1 in a billion in India)



PS - I am a YAMAHA guy at heart but, if you ever see me, ever, riding a RC (Just in case, okay! just in case), please, please don't kill me