Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Na na, we won't kill you. That's too easy. We will take the bike away and send pics of it every hour

Btw, points mentioned by you about our typical Indian mentality are correct. Most of our decisions are crafted by cost of the product. Only a few will actually take decisions by only considering the performance, features etc.

Lets hope whatever Yamaha does, its for the good of both the parties. *fingers crossed*

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I like your style of writing, and how much I wish i could pen down my thoughts like that. keep it up mate. However, for people like me who have been through all that "Value for Money" fast bike syndrome, we aint biting the bullet this time. We are past all that discussion.

Even though I am spending more from my pocket now on R25, I know deep down it is a more well rounded product, which shows Engineering and manufacturing might of Yamaha. Their attention to details is something Bajaj/KTM products lack.

Yes, majority may turn a blind eye to that, however devil is in the details. And for people like me, Nadz and few others it is this attention to details that matters.

I am glad Yamaha hasn't got into the rat race of providing "Value for Money" fast bikes. Respect Yamaha for that.

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I agree with your observation but it is based on past products(when there was hardly any competition in 250-300CC products) and hence we cant call it as thumb rule which will be applied to all future products. We need to come out this narrow mindset favoring bike manufactures. Why cant a bike under 2l which is fast,powerful and reliable be created ? If we can get 1000 CC 4 cylinder reliable car under 5 lack I don't see a reason why R25, if produced in India should be priced above 2l.

Lastly I am surprised why nobody is comparing it against upcoming Hero HX250r which has above 30 BHP, more torque than R25(which is vital for touring).ABS and Hero reliability(based on previous products) all priced approx 1.75l.

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Yeah, I agree too that this might not come cheap in the sense we consider cheap but it will be worth it. Consider that Yamaha has done more than two years of research to come up with this finished product notwithstanding all the RCs, CBRs and baby Ninjas, so it's a well thought out product and it shows. Remember the R15 was not made to sell as mass market bike but it was made to sell for a targeted audience and it selling well.

RC will definitely be lesser priced compared to this even if R25 gets manufactured here because you can't beat a Bajaj on pricing and economies of scale. But I'm skeptical of R25 being produced here, because if that was the plan it would have been in the news 6 months back and I am not sure if Yamaha in India is equipped to do a twin.
So in all probability it will come via the CKD like N300 and I'm guessing it would be in the price band of 2.8-3.4L to really be a competitor for N300, so with this being the case even 3L looks dicey and most welcome.

But really a nicely put together machine.

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Quality wouldn't be the same if it gets manufactured here. At best they can bring it here as CKD and localise as and when market picks up. This sounds like a good business move. Hero doesn't come in the list of most buyers thinking about RC or R25.

HXR has to first prove its reliability in the market before it climbs up the ladder.

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Totally agree. Been bitten by the VFM fast bike bug (although it wasn't that cheap) once, and very shy of a second time! The compromise on peace of mind is not worth the thousands of INR saved. Although I am not a very big fan of well-rounded products, and like my bikes extreme, quality and attention to detail is what matters a lot to me.

ALSO although Yamaha is going with all that 'superbike to ride everyday' thingie, it is to be noted that Japan/EU/US etc are countries that are far better used to powerful bikes than we are. 250 cc bikes are considered as an entry into the biking world there. So making no mistake, this bike is going to be kick-a**!!

P.S : All that said and done, I don't want to look at an RC390. I fear my heart will smack my mind, my legs will race to the showroom and I will fall for that evil orange again like I did before. Ah! this is a very very bad world!!

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

In that case they will import the engine from indonesia and get the parts from their usual local vendors. which will get the pricing down.

I see some really nice debate going on here

saying it again, as per the only reliable person i know, yamaha is getting their chennai factory up and running ASAP by jan2015 so that they can accommodate and manufacture more vehicles which also includes r25 by nov2014 the r25 testing will be complete. after that the final tweaks and then manufacture it. launch mostly by oct during festivals.

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and also we cant ignore the part where yamaha is testing the bike in india which makes me think that they are considering india as a next target aft their primary markets.

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I seriously hope that this bike comes under 3.5L on road. Otherwise, Ninja 300 would become an obvious choice with a more capable motor and that huge catalog of aftermarket parts.

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They will keep it under 3L for sure. So no worries about it begin as high as 3.5L, that would be straight-out suicide for the bike.

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Front view looks beautiful to me.

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+1000

it seems yamaha's the only major manufacturer (in india at present) that gets that.

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well, don't know about japan at the moment, but north america and europe will be getting an R3, not R25....and it's being expected (and rumoured) there that the R3 will be a full fledged supersport because that's what everyone who is at all interested in low cc sportbikes there wants and has been waiting for for a long time...but anyway, yamaha hasn't really said anything about it, just trademarked the name "YZF R3" in EU and NA so far and it's not coming out anytime soon either..

R25 seems to be primarily aimed for indian subcontinent and the south east asian countries for the obvious reasons (hence the sport touring styling with kickass proper-R-series like specs and (expected yamaha) performance, hence the tagline "a superbike that you can ride everyday") as yamaha also mentioned in one of their press releases some time ago...for those same reasons it's expected to be sold also in south america as well at some point not very later than when it's released outside of thailand and indonesia for the first time..

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Kawasaki does that too.

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indeed, the RC390 does look supersporty kickass (and weird from the front but still inviting) from whatever pics of it has emerged in the internet so far..

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true, but i was talking about major manufacturers...kawasaki is still basically a tiny company in india, essentially only selling the premium costly ninjas and recently the naked Zs...much like the european manufacturers presently in india (except KTM of course)....back in the days of 2 strokes, it seems kawasaki was still quite a big player besides yamaha and suzuki, but not in the modern times though..

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[QUOTE=Ron Syl;1065175saying it again, as per the only reliable person i know, yamaha is getting their chennai factory up and running ASAP by jan2015 so that they can accommodate and manufacture more vehicles which also includes r25[/QUOTE]

jan 2015 ? nice, they are probably progressing faster than they thought...because i remember reading an article in some moto website more than a year ago quoting some yamaha official that the new facility (which is aimed to be a much bigger one, capable of producing high quality and premium motorcycles not only for the emerging domestic market but also a major exporting factory for even the advanced markets of europe etc) but it won't be finished any sooner than early 2016 or late 2015.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

I completely agree with you on pricing but still there are people who opt for duke or pulsar knowing that it has quality issues.
Even if the R25 is priced under 2.5l and RC390 priced the same with better performance definitely RC will sell better even though its a single & has quality issues .

Yamaha if prices it premium will use it for building the brand image .

Yamaha's are known for their premium pricing in India .when R15 V1 got launched it was the priciest bike at that time yet sold like hot cakes for its price .

For the quality they offer it definitely worth the premium .
Meanwhile I am still waiting for that pulsar 400

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Myself on the same boat chinmayakar!! Having had the duke for 2 years now, I know the RC would be another cash cow for the svc other than being a 'track tool'

The reason I am not too keen on it. There is no doubt in my mind that quality wise the Yam would be much better than the RC too. Also performance wise, the Yam would not be too far behind,as we saw in case of the Ninja-RC , as I said power on wheel figures may be closer. But there is no denying the torque figures and thh Rc would decimate the Yam in acceleration and roll ons.

The figure I quoted in my previous post (2-2.25 L) is something I THINK yam should launch the bike here in India to make it a profitable proposition.
Yamaha may launch it as a CKD at 3 lacs + to price it like the Ninja and members here may get an ego massage to see their beloved Yammie slot alongside the premium Ninja, but that would be really unwise of Yamaha. Kawasaki are no Bajaj when it comes to quality and the R25 won't be able to trump the N300 on performance.
So it would be an even battle. Sure die hard Yamaha fans would go for the R25 over the Ninja but tell me guys how many die hard Yamaha fans are out there who have 3 lacs of spare cash?
I always wanted the Ninja , but when I bought the duke, it didn't even was in consideration. The CBR was!
It made sense for Kawasaki to launch the Ninja as a CKD premium product because they didn't have any infra here and India didn't have any notable high tech performance bikes save the R15 which was a good 2 lacs lesser in price. So however the low sale numbers, Kawasaki were content with whatever profit they derived out of it. This strategy of being a niche and hence fringe player doesn't make sense for Yamaha since they have plants here. Why not grab market share when they have potentially blockbuster product ready and condemn the CBR to oblivion?

As I said going by the recent strategy of Yamaha, I think they are looking for market share, so I don't think they'll shoot themselves in the feet and launch the Yam as a CKD ! Even Kawasaki is mulling a plant here to localize the Ninja. Every company looks to grow and growing is not possible by occupying a niche and hey Yamaha are no Ducati(heck, even Ducati tried grabbing the Asian market by launching a 'cheaper' monster').
I am not sure if Yamaha said they were targetting N300 with the R25, but if they had said so then it must have been from a global learner bike perspective and certainly not for the Indian market.They even have not promised it'd come to India, have they?
And globally the RC would definitely be priced higher than the Yam.The Duke 390 sits in the same bracket as the N300, globally(They don't have stupid segments like we do here, faired/non faired/thumper/twin/triple) and is priced the same. The yam would be another option in this learner bike category, the poor quality of the RC notwithstanding.

All I want to say is that Yam may launch it any price they and the members here wish(I think Yam fans here are almost wishing here for it to be 3lacs+), but for it to be big success, it has to be in the vicinity of teh RC(2-2.5 lac max).

PS:A bit irrelevant here but just saying .It's only in India that Yams are perceived to have higher performance and superior quality. The R1 is the most popular superbike(along with the hayabusa), but it is much more maintenance intensive than the blade or even the ZX. Ask any sbk mech or even owners(look up sandman's latest post in the superbike section). Also it usually grabs the last position in shootouts