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  • #91
    Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

    There has been news of Honda PCX 150 motoscooter being launched in India.
    Anybody has got any info?

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    • #92
      Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

      Pardon me for this OT, but this is something I had read a long time back and thought of sharing now as it seems very appropriate.
      This is an article about the Honda of yesteryear and the bland stuff they turn out nowadays.

      From the 6-cylinder 250cc, 20K RPM, 65 Bhp RC166 of the 1960s to the 1-cylinder commuter CBR 250s of today, its been quite the slide, if I may put it so.

      Do go through the article. HIGHLY recommended.

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      • #93
        Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

        Originally posted by tanay View Post
        Pardon me for this OT, but this is something I had read a long time back and thought of sharing now as it seems very appropriate.
        This is an article about the Honda of yesteryear and the bland stuff they turn out nowadays.

        From the 6-cylinder 250cc, 20K RPM, 65 Bhp RC166 of the 1960s to the 1-cylinder commuter CBR 250s of today, its been quite the slide, if I may put it so.

        Do go through the article. HIGHLY recommended.

        WTH, Honda? | Megaphone
        No point glancing over the past. That was a whole different era as far as government intrusions went regarding speed, fuel efficiency, emissions and other restrictions, and there were far more buyers than people complaining on the internet.
        Not to mention the rise in the value of currency involved between now and then would mean a replication of such technology would put an i-4 20k revving 250 somewhere in the 650Fs ballpark and then you have more internet whining on how "I can have 600 for the price of 250" logic.

        If you look at it from any manufacturer's perspective(any because other manufacturers too had 250 i4s and exciting product portfolio then) You have European laws restricting speed, American laws restricting noise and Asian laws requiring the latter two plus better fuel efficiency and less emissions and reduced carbon footprint from the manufacturing facility to prevent hefty fines.
        Impossible to meet all criteria and still sell said bike at a reasonable price today.
        Look at the RC213V-S, 70hp for Japan and 101hp for US due to not being able to meet said restrictions.

        Plus in the Europe you have different license requirements for riders to be able to purchase them with power limitations on displacement being grouped as A1, A2, A3 etc. So you cannot make one bike for the world anymore like every manufacturer used to back then. You can either satisfy Asia and Europe or Europe and America and sometimes only America.

        The governments change, the buyers change and its no surprise that manufacturers have to change their approach too to stay afloat.


        Besides that article is from an American's POV. As you may have guessed now, all major manufacturers have moved away from US markets and are focussed solely on emerging markets in Asia and Europe. Production bases are moving to Thailand, Indonesia and India even for the most chest thumping American manufacturer like Harley who wants a piece of the action.
        The US market ended its honeymoon period when the supersports and SBK sales went from being stagnant to seeing negative sales, which lead to the stagnant development of 600 SS or Litre bikes from the Jap Big 4 after 2008 with only styling and electronic gizmos being added over the next 6 years, Kawasaki being the only exception due to BMW's entry to cash in on the vacancy.

        That's just my 2 cents

        Hope this isn't going too OT.
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        • #94
          Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

          Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
          That was a whole different era as far as government intrusions went regarding speed, fuel efficiency, emissions and other restrictions, and there were far more buyers than people complaining on the internet.
          Yes I agree that the article is from an American perspective and that there are a whole lot of restrictions nowadays but what I feel is that the Hondas of today just don't have the excitement factor. For instance, the only notable launch I can think of is the (yet-to-launch) Africa Twin. Everything else is all so forgettable.

          Also, to keep this post on topic - Honda has readied an inventory of up to 30 CBR650s before launch
          HMSI readies inventory of up to 30 CBR650Fs before launch next month
          200 | 300 | 1200 BOXER

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          • #95
            Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

            Still I think pricing a 650cc at Rs8L is where the practicallity of Indian gets over.
            Again People will go for Benelli or Kawasaki for their greed.

            Honda is no where competing against Ninja 650 anywhere.
            They are actually placing their foot in Street triple & Z800 area.
            Anybody would go for a higher cc bikes in that price.

            What man why does this happens to us Indians ?
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            • #96
              Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

              Originally posted by NightFurry View Post
              Still I think pricing a 650cc at Rs8L is where the practicallity of Indian gets over.
              Again People will go for Benelli or Kawasaki for their greed.

              Honda is no where competing against Ninja 650 anywhere.
              They are actually placing their foot in Street triple & Z800 area.
              Anybody would go for a higher cc bikes in that price.

              What man why does this happens to us Indians ?
              The bike will come through CKD route. If we compare the prices of other CKD bikes, 6l to 6.3l ex showroom and less than 7 OTR would be the apt value which will put it in between Benelli 600i/Ninja 650 and Z800 (which is what is its correct position is).

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              • #97
                Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                I dont know. Why my post is not visible.

                Is using of too much Hindi words against the forum..?

                All I wanted to write was " bike launch hone ke baad, doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jaayega"

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                Sanjay

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                • #98
                  Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                  On 4th August, I think this thread will be full of disappointment and shock because of lack luster launches and sky high prices (As per previous experiences). Hope they don't launch a sporty themed Yuga with high speed graphics.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                    Honda always demands a premium over other bikes. And people pay that. For sometime the Cbr650f will enjoy the spotlight until someone else makes a four cylinder sportsbike in this range.
                    But the fact remains that this is THE quintessential inline four sportsbike that all of us lusted for all these years.

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                    • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                      Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
                      Honda always demands a premium over other bikes. And people pay that. For sometime the Cbr650f will enjoy the spotlight until someone else makes a four cylinder sportsbike in this range.
                      But the fact remains that this is THE quintessential inline four sportsbike that all of us lusted for all these years.
                      Bro People here may mistake CBR650F to CBR600RR, INMO.
                      The power spec are no where close to CBR600RR.

                      I would say if anyone opts for CBR650F for 8L over Z800 then I would say I REST MY CASE.
                      There is no replacement to displacement.

                      These 8L counts alot. and all knows the quality of Kawasaki over Honda.
                      I myslef own a CBR and it's fit n fish speaks all.
                      Now as they have said that it's complete CKD. So need to check the actual quality and performance of this machine in/on Indian Terrain.
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                      • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                        Also lets wait for official launch coz they said they would aim for higher localisation before actual launch and that could bring down the prices a lil bit.. but even that won't save Honda from the rejection they are going to face with this crap..

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                        • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                          Originally posted by NightFurry View Post
                          Bro People here may mistake CBR650F to CBR600RR, INMO.
                          The power spec are no where close to CBR600RR.

                          I would say if anyone opts for CBR650F for 8L over Z800 then I would say I REST MY CASE.
                          There is no replacement to displacement.

                          These 8L counts alot. and all knows the quality of Kawasaki over Honda.
                          I myslef own a CBR and it's fit n fish speaks all.
                          Now as they have said that it's complete CKD. So need to check the actual quality and performance of this machine in/on Indian Terrain.

                          First, people in market to buy CBR650F will know that it is an F, not the RR. (I'm not talking about brainless fellows who don't know what to do with their money!)

                          Second, CBR650F, while I hope it isn't priced at 8, will still have plenty of takers even against Z800.

                          Third, CBR250R is built to budget and while the earlier batches had few fit-finish issues, current batches look as good as anything else. If you're comparing the build quality with Ninja 250/300 then look at its price as well - terribly overpriced with whatever build quality it comes with.

                          Finally, let's wait for the launch and actual price.
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                          • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                            Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                            First, people in market to buy CBR650F will know that it is an F, not the RR. (I'm not talking about brainless fellows who don't know what to do with their money!)

                            Second, CBR650F, while I hope it isn't priced at 8, will still have plenty of takers even against Z800.

                            Third, CBR250R is built to budget and while the earlier batches had few fit-finish issues, current batches look as good as anything else. If you're comparing the build quality with Ninja 250/300 then look at its price as well - terribly overpriced with whatever build quality it comes with.

                            Finally, let's wait for the launch and actual price.
                            True...
                            So if we see a 650cc coming for that price then it ll be Ninja tale again.
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                            • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                              Here's a nice comparison from a 650 owner who bought it to accompany his RR but then sold the RR because the 650 did everything the RR did and was more liveable.
                              I did my first oil change yesterday morning at just over 300 miles on this winters purchase, Honda's latest fun-yet-practical and somewhat-affordable bike introduced late last year, a 2014 CBR650F. I thought I'd do a little write up since I've had a lot of people asking me questions about this...



                              As for the Z800 comparision, Here's a z800 owner's perspective who now owns 2 650Fs(him and his wife)

                              hello CBR650 F, just burbling in the low to mid-range it is gentle, sneak it over 6k rpm and the claws come out and you know it wants to be let loose. It is incredibly flickable through the countryside, purrs and growls happily and so far handles everything the roads of Kent can throw at it, or should I say remove from its path …damn potholes and missing road surfaces.

                              Standard setup it is not as hard a ride as the Z800. Having done the same route on both bikes the CBR handled it brilliantly and was more comfy over the distance and at speed the wind not trying to rip you off and ripping open the throttle, well not to aggressive, still breaking it in. It does not whip you back like the Zed, takes a bit longer to get to the same speeds but as I said was taking it smooth but when it got there I know the CBR is going to go faster, top end the CBR is going to be so much easier to ride.

                              If it was the wilds the Z800 would be the male and the CBR650F the mamma lion, or guns; a 45 versus a 9mm. The Zed has incredible low down torque and the power is instant and sublimely brutal smooth in delivery. Gear change on the Z800 can be clunky when you not riding it like you stole it, I have not found that on the CBR650F, so far the gear change I find smooth as silk. Maybe cause I am just getting used to it and been spoiled by the Zed but I have found the lower rev range to be a bit twitchy, but then it could have just been me getting used to, it was my first ride, and I am not sure about the right engine cover touching the leg when the feet are down.

                              So far I find the CBR is smooth, and there is more on tap and it pulls no matter what gear you are in and there is always more to give. It is slick and effortless to ride, responds when required and it is gets more mpg. The Zed break in is keep rpm at 4500 for 500 miles then 6500 for the next 500, the CBR650 wins this contest..300 miles conservatively, no harsh throttle action and engine breaking, happy days.
                              The Zed ride stance is aggressive and you feel it at speed, and the mirrors are for show and the rear brake is really only good for sliding into the bends. So CBR wins on mirrors and brakes, I cannot fault the Z800s stopping power the front breaks are phenomenal but they not ABS. It is my commute bike, B road twisties and commuter rat run, handles both effortlessly. I suspect when I use the CBR to do the same run it will be just as much fun.

                              The zed does 0- 70 mph in first in like 3.5 seconds, going to take a lot to beat that smile, you up through the gears in no time, riding it like you stole it and that’s what it wants. It is sedate enough to ride conservatively but it brute power and that’s where it shines, light and easy to move when riding a heavy brute when pushing it around. Want a in your face, get out the way power instantly, brutal acceleration ride, I go with the zed.

                              Got distance to cover? The CBR is designed for it and is a more all-round package.
                              These are two completely different experiences and ride styles, my personal opinion; Want a in your face, get out the way brutal exhilarating hooligan, go with the zed. Got distance to cover, want to go at speed and stay there, not worry about fuel consumption, sports like thrill get the CBR650F is designed for it and is a perfect all-round package.
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                              • Re: Honda CBR 650F launch on 4th August. Bookings Open!

                                Yup, it's going to be quite fantastic.
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