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  • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

    Was it confirmed during launch about the tank material? Is it steel/metal tank or the fibre cladding one?

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    • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

      Originally posted by chidafn View Post
      Was it confirmed during launch about the tank material? Is it steel/metal tank or the fibre cladding one?
      It's fibre cover and underneath that a metal tank is there.

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        • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

          Originally posted by Chandan92 View Post
          It's fibre cover and underneath that a metal tank is there.
          Just like the fz16? When we tap it do we get a metal "ting ting" or plastic "tak tak"?

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          • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

            At Admins and Mods,

            Do you have any information on when the media rides are happening and when we can expect the comprehensive review?

            Cheers!

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            • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

              Originally posted by jazzysaravana View Post
              At Admins and Mods,

              Do you have any information on when the media rides are happening and when we can expect the comprehensive review?

              Cheers!
              I guess Feb 1st week
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              • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

                They differed a lot in gearing too.
                Karizma's 5th was like, really tall. Its overall gearing was strange too, 3 short, than a big gap for the next 2 tall gears. Probably, this happened when the source engine, Honda CRF 230's 6 speed gearbox was reduced to 5 gears by Hero Honda (back then).

                P180 was still short-geared than Karizma, talking only about the 5th gears of both bikes.

                Technically, a torquey engine doesn't help in top speed as such, if the power figure is not high enough. You can regear it to any speed you want, but if it doesn't have power, it won't accelerate hard enough.
                For example, a Royal Enfield 350 engine can't be overgeared to match a Duke 390 in top speed, because the RE won't accelerate strong enough, due to lesser peak power... but we all know, RE leads in torque spread over the rpm range.

                Although i didn't understood the RE vs Duke gearing part very well. But it did raise a few doubts regarding the Power Vs Performance w.r.t. Fz250 and the awaited R15 V3.
                Both powered @ 20bhp.
                FZ got 5 gears where R15 has 6.
                Currently the 6th gear is overdrive and meant for better fuel efficiency and comfortable highway cruising at good speeds.
                Now that the V3 is churning out more power then what should we expect in terms of city / highway performance of the V3 in comparison to the V2 and FZ 250.

                I know there is still a lot of time before the bike is launched and the naked/ faired disparity but if you would please indulge me.

                The V3 would have better gear ratios, achieving greater speeds at the same RPMs with lesser FE and therefore giving a more stressed out engine/ ride quality in comparison to the V2?


                Cheers.




                P.S - Now that we have a bigger FZ does it mean they will phase out the older, smaller one ?
                Or it depends on the market response ?
                Last edited by dnewguy; 01-28-2017, 01:38 PM.
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                • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                  Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                  The V3 would have better gear ratios, achieving greater speeds at the same RPMs with lesser FE and therefore giving a more stressed out engine/ ride quality in comparison to the V2?
                  It depends. That's the maximum power I believe that can be extracted from the 150 cc mill. For normal riding conditions in city and highway, there should not be much differences. Since it's a track focused bike, flooring the engine all the time might result in shorter engine life compared to V2. Anyways, this is off-topic, let's wait and watch before making much assumptions.


                  Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                  P.S - Now that we have a bigger FZ does it mean they will phase out the older, smaller one ?
                  Or it depends on the market response ?
                  It's logical to keep the existing FZ series so that customers will have choices. Not everyone is power hungry, people look for FE also, and the current FZ series is delivering quite good results.

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                  • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                    Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                    Although i didn't understood the RE vs Duke gearing part very well. But it did raise a few doubts regarding the Power Vs Performance w.r.t. Fz250 and the awaited R15 V3.
                    Both powered @ 20bhp.
                    FZ got 5 gears where R15 has 6.
                    Currently the 6th gear is overdrive and meant for better fuel efficiency and comfortable highway cruising at good speeds.
                    Now that the V3 is churning out more power then what should we expect in terms of city / highway performance of the V3 in comparison to the V2 and FZ 250.

                    I know there is still a lot of time before the bike is launched and the naked/ faired disparity but if you would please indulge me.

                    The V3 would have better gear ratios, achieving greater speeds at the same RPMs with lesser FE and therefore giving a more stressed out engine/ ride quality in comparison to the V2?

                    Cheers.

                    P.S - Now that we have a bigger FZ does it mean they will phase out the older, smaller one ?
                    Or it depends on the market response ?
                    We can expect from the R15 V3, exactly what we expect from alow capacity Sportsbike. A little bit of a compromise (maybe) in the low end torque, but otherwise a potent ride in the top end. I personally expect it to touch around 155 kmph on the digital speedo, due to its aerodynamics, and focus on top end performance. Plus, I also expect decent 0-100 timings at least.

                    No such thing exists as "better gear ratios", I think. Because, you would use lower gear ratios for stunts and low speed competitions, while you would use higher gearing ratios for highway touring (for top speed, easy cruising and mileage) or creating high speed records.
                    You may use the term "balanced" or "well spaced" gear ratios maybe. That's exactly what R15 V3 might have...

                    One more thing, refering to the part of your text I marked in bold above:- As long as sufficient torque is available, achieving greater speeds at same rpm, only increases FE/ mileage, not decrease it. This is because, at a certain rpm (say 5000), the engine consumes fuel at a particular fixed rate (ignoring external factors like vehicle condition, rider habits), whether it travels at 40 kmph or 60 kmph, but please note that at 60 kmph it will be covering a greater distance in the same fuel.... this means better efficiency.
                    It is for similar reason that you often get maximum mileage in the top gear of a vehicle, which is mostly 5th or 6th in our case...


                    I do not expect the present FZ to be phased out for 2017 at least, because there is still a good price difference among the 2 FZ's.
                    And of course, a big difference in the mileage too, specially after the Blue Core update to FZ16...



                    A small clarification irrelevant to the question in hand:-

                    "Overdrive" is a technical, gearbox-related only term, often used in automobile marketing world as a selling point, but with not much practical relevance to actual riding... Let me explain.
                    One or few of the top gears (could be ONLY 6th, OR 5th & 6th) could be there, in which the driving gear (the one receiving power from the engine crank), has more teeth than the driven gear (which indirectly carries power to the rear wheel), such gears are said to be in "overdrive".

                    Its formula = no. of driven gear teeth / no. of driving gear teeth.

                    For example, R15 V1's 6th gear could have 21 teeth in driven gear, and 25 in driving gear, resulting in 21/25, (which is 0.84)

                    And, R15 v1's 5th and 6th gears are in "overdrive" (0.957 and 0.84 gearing values respectively, if I remember correctly).
                    This marketing wise suggests that the R15's 6th gear is "quite tall" and we all believe it, BUT if you fit in a huge rear sprocket, all the gears will be undergeared together, including 5th and 6th.... So, the bike will be undergeared (giving more acceleration in all gears, but not enough top speed in each gear), just because you changed final gearing...
                    So, what's the real world meaning of "overdrive"?
                    Nothing. Exactly.
                    The bike can have top 3 gears in overdrive, and STILL, it could be undegeared heavily, its a possibility.

                    So, "overdrive" is just a technical term, used more in automobile marketing, as a "symbolic representative" of a higher gearing, but it does not necessarily have to be so (because final gearing is determined by front sprocket teeth, rear sprocket teeth and of course, the rear tyre and wheel's overall diameter).
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                    • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                      Exhaust note @ 4:06

                      Last edited by The Monk; 01-30-2017, 11:58 AM.
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                      • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                        Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
                        Exhaust note @ 4:06
                        I never liked the FZ16 design. The front half is more aggressive but the rear half is totally out of the proportion.

                        But this FZ25 is what i expected to be as a proper naked design. Design is more complete and mature.


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                        • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                          I have been following this thread and very excited to test the FZ25.

                          I am in the market for a bike and being a Yamaha fan FZ25 is on top of my list and also has been considering Dominar, since it is a next segment bike at a small incremental value to the FZ25.

                          Have the dealers started received the bike yet? I am at Bangalore.

                          KK

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                          • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                            Originally posted by KK_HakunaMatata View Post
                            I have been following this thread and very excited to test the FZ25.

                            I am in the market for a bike and being a Yamaha fan FZ25 is on top of my list and also has been considering Dominar, since it is a next segment bike at a small incremental value to the FZ25.

                            Have the dealers started received the bike yet? I am at Bangalore.

                            KK
                            I am waiting for this as well, but it is not in Pune yet. I think it should arrive in a week or two. Today's budget will bring clarity on taxes!

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                            • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                              Originally posted by manishh View Post
                              I am waiting for this as well, but it is not in Pune yet. I think it should arrive in a week or two. Today's budget will bring clarity on taxes!
                              I've booked FZ25 last week. Yamaha showrooms started accepting bookings in Chennai. Yamaha showrooms are having advertising banner like "FZ25 Booking Open". But the bike is not yet available in showrooms. what they have is only the brochure. They are not sure about the on road price. Bike will be available around 3rd week of Feb.

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                              • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 launched at RS 119500/-

                                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

                                One more thing, refering to the part of your text I marked in bold above:- As long as sufficient torque is available, achieving greater speeds at same rpm, only increases FE/ mileage, not decrease it. This is because, at a certain rpm (say 5000), the engine consumes fuel at a particular fixed rate (ignoring external factors like vehicle condition, rider habits), whether it travels at 40 kmph or 60 kmph, but please note that at 60 kmph it will be covering a greater distance in the same fuel.... this means better efficiency.
                                It is for similar reason that you often get maximum mileage in the top gear of a vehicle, which is mostly 5th or 6th in our case...
                                The point here to be highlighted is "As long as sufficient torque". What commonly happens while sprocketing a bike is it runs LOW on "torque" after tall gearing. So we end up opening more throttle for a particular speed in contrast to stock gearing setup. This leads to rather a drop in mileage than an increase, as More throttle opening simply means more fuel consumption.

                                A similar phenomenon works all the time as the bike behaves a bit sluggish in picking speed, hence we subconsciously compensate the drop in acceleration by opening more throttle.

                                Most of the times, even the top speed remains the same as the torque is not enough to push the bike any further. In some case, the top speed drops in top gear as the engine runs low on torque due to too tall gearing in top gear(considering more wind drag at top speeds & other factors).
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