The 2010 Bike Launch Speculation Thread

[enfro]

the same way they import ninja 250R...I guess..

Ninja is imported in no different way than the 800+s (apart from the CKD/CBU thing).. whats the difference between importing a Ninja or ,say, a Fireblade?

For motorcycles below 800 cc (regardless of if its imported or made in India) the manufacturer has to go through the lengthy and time consuming homologation process.

Any manufacturer can import a below 800 cc bike, one just needs to be ready to homologate it.

what homologation process you takl about? Didnt get, sorry... I mean homologation of/redarding what?

There is a nice post from Doctor Arnob on this one (arn) let me see if I can find it

That should help if it could be found bro...i will try searching too.

When the rule was made our government didn't knew there was bikes above 800CC...
LOL...

ha ha ha...good one ...Lol

[payeng]

Ninja is imported in no different way than the 800+s (apart from the CKD/CBU thing).. whats the difference between importing a Ninja or ,say, a Fireblade?

I can't repeat myself again.

what homologation process you takl about? Didnt get, sorry... I mean homologation of/redarding what?

Can somebody help him out? Else try "Google" baba.

[tibby]

what homologation process you takl about? Didnt get, sorry... I mean homologation of/redarding what?

Can somebody help him out? Else try "Google" baba.

Here's the relevant thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...ologation.html

[shift_ride]

I can't repeat myself again.




Can somebody help him out? Else try "Google" baba.

In Layman terms..homologation is sort of getting ur bike registered with Govt.The manufacturer have to deliver a bike to ARAI Pune or ICAT gurgaon.The authorities then check its suitability for indian roads.Also a fee of crores of rupees needs to be submitted.So, if a company thinks that they will not earn this much after selling the product..they dont get it homologated

[shift_ride]

I spoke to Probiking Manager a few weeks bike, The only way a Ninja 650R would be coming is the CBU route which means price at least 8 lakhs due to customs and since it is below 800 cc they would have to get it homologated as per ARAI which would add more cost.

This is a crappy list to excite kids.

Sir its confirmed that SOME 650 cc kAWASAKI is planned thru CKD..it can be a 650r or a 6r....nd it will be priced aprx 5 Lacs

[enfro]

@payeng..i am not looking for google baba payeng ..when i have xbhp i also have Google (if common sense is that common):P

What i intend to say that what are the procedures or what are the differences in registering a 800+cc and a 800-cc bike in India? You said it is difficult..what difficulty/ies exactly? I mean i dont know on what grounds it would be lengthy, as you said. If you know THIS, it would have added up to my knowledge..no offences though
Well technocrat's link given by tibby indeed helped. Thanks bro

[DOCTOR]

Sir its confirmed that SOME 650 cc kAWASAKI is planned thru CKD..it can be a 650r or a 6r....nd it will be priced aprx 5 Lacs

kindly enlighten (speculate) when will this be launched

[shrinathrao]

Frankly saying this all launches of the bike of which we all are talking how many of us are really gonna buy something which will cost more than 2 lakhs.

Today we have ninja which is the best bike for Indian roads, apart from the super bikes but how many of us have it?

see we all want this technology, this much power, this much top end but the big question is at what cost?

We see beautiful ducati, the cbr and busa and then what we think hope we could afford it, but how many actually are able to buy it.

So merely speculating for bigger bikes is good but when it comes to sales i dont think its gonna be that good hit, unless its easily afford ability is close to a R15 to the range of 2 lakhs.


If tomorrow a bike is launched with a 400 cc engine single cylinder with lets say 60 bhp within the range of 2 lakhs then those bike will eat all the markets apart from the sbk in india as people can afford it easily.

I dont mean to hurt anyone but this is what i feel about all the speculations we are making.

[kinshuk.arya]

Frankly saying this all launches of the bike of which we all are talking how many of us are really gonna buy something which will cost more than 2 lakhs.

Today we have ninja which is the best bike for Indian roads, apart from the super bikes but how many of us have it?

see we all want this technology, this much power, this much top end but the big question is at what cost?

We see beautiful ducati, the cbr and busa and then what we think hope we could afford it, but how many actually are able to buy it.

So merely speculating for bigger bikes is good but when it comes to sales i dont think its gonna be that good hit, unless its easily afford ability is close to a R15 to the range of 2 lakhs.


If tomorrow a bike is launched with a 400 cc engine single cylinder with lets say 60 bhp within the range of 2 lakhs then those bike will eat all the markets apart from the sbk in india as people can afford it easily.

I dont mean to hurt anyone but this is what i feel about all the speculations we are making.

i am sorry but i disagree with your point.... for me biking is a matter of passion and if there is passion (not the hero honda one) one can always save up the amount required for at least a 600 c.c. bike even if not for an r1 or a busa or a gixxer 1000 also with the launch of hyosung gt650r priced at 5l on road i think many of us can go for it........
in my case at least i will start saving for my r1 the day i join a company. (have also notified this to my future better half (zor ka jhatka dheere se lagega))...

[shift_ride]

kindly enlighten (speculate) when will this be launched

Sir your speculation will be as good as mine...One of my friend..an official in Probiking suggested that for last couple of months the pace of activities has slowed down and it might slide to next year..

[Technician]

Baba log, kyon confuse hote ho?

I make the whole story simple for you people here.

Chapter I: Sometime in 2006-07, India allows import of higher capacity bikes without they completing technical parameters (like current emission norms, noise norms, fuel efficiency norms, homologation process, certification of road worthiness, fuel compatibility, etc.) set for sale and registering of all bikes by RTOs in India. Since this was done primarily for HDs whose smallest bike boasts 883 cc, the lower limit for these higher capacity bikes was set at 800 cc (and not 700 or 900 or 1000cc), against the concession by US to allow export of Indian mangoes to US. Yet, imported bikes had to qualify Euro III norms and Indian mangoes had to pass irradiation tests. Bikes, imported or Indian made, less than above size would need to qualify all the above process/tests.

Chapter II: Normal Trade barrier (100+ %) customs duty would continue for the time being, for all the imported bikes irrespective of size of the engine. This was perhaps due to pressure by domestic lobies.

Chapter III: Different and lesser customs duty is applied for import of individual parts which can be imported by manufacturers and assemblers but the final product will have to (i) still pass the above tests/process if it is less than 800 cc & (ii) be exempted from the above tests if the bikes is more than 800 cc.

I think this clears all the doubts in everybody's mind.

But can anybody clear one last question in my mind what happens if a M/s. Chotu Ram & Sons, Jhumri Tallaiya decide to make a rumpty dumpty 1500 cc diesel bike and sell the same at Rs. 1.50 lakh (ex-showroom Jhumri tallaiya), would the product still be exempted from ARAI norms and process? Someone has to think about it.

[gixxer_junkie_m]

Baba log, kyon confuse hote ho?


But can anybody clear one last question in my mind what happens if a M/s. Chotu Ram & Sons, Jhumri Tallaiya decide to make a rumpty dumpty 1500 cc diesel bike and sell the same at Rs. 1.50 lakh (ex-showroom Jhumri tallaiya), would the product still be exempted from ARAI norms and process? Someone has to think about it.

I like the way you always put it man. The kinda import policy we have ,it seems like "M/s. Chotu Ram & Sons, Jhumri Tallaiya" have a political wing too and they are the ones making the policies at the centre!!

[shrinathrao]

i am sorry but i disagree with your point.... for me biking is a matter of passion and if there is passion (not the hero honda one) one can always save up the amount required for at least a 600 c.c. bike even if not for an r1 or a busa or a gixxer 1000 also with the launch of hyosung gt650r priced at 5l on road i think many of us can go for it........
in my case at least i will start saving for my r1 the day i join a company. (have also notified this to my future better half (zor ka jhatka dheere se lagega))...

i fully agree to your point but if you look at the mass population of people out there who can at max afford a r15 or a karizma, its about those people here and there are many of them in XBHP who come from middle class families have not good paying jobs as yours but has a passion for biking and needs a good machine which is affordable at the same time gives performance.

[Aravind]

i fully agree to your point but if you look at the mass population of people out there who can at max afford a r15 or a karizma, its about those people here and there are many of them in XBHP who come from middle class families have not good paying jobs as yours but has a passion for biking and needs a good machine which is affordable at the same time gives performance.

++ for that
before jumping to 5L+ vehicles,there is a huge gap in the >70-<2L segment which would be a more affordable and reasonable range for a relatively higher percentage of the working population..we should get more 200+ bikes in this segment...sure at this price range these bikes wont be at the pinnacle of performance but would rather balance performance and price at a more practical level

[bhadoriabtp]

Is there any news about new bike in commuter and cruiser section coming in near future in 200cc and above power over 20bhp.