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  • #76
    Re: My Rx100 restoration

    The factory recommendation of oil use per litre is 3% or 30ml. Less than the factory setting won't make your bike stall but if it is newly rebored, then it needs oil to keep the walls lubed until the piston rings beds properly. Consequences of inadequate oil might lead to scratch on the liners and in some out of excitement WOT, could even lead to cease.
    For first ton kms, set the Afr rich so the engine is cooler and using adequate oil ensures slickness on the walls. It is recommended to use premix until run in is complete. Needle position is always in 3rd position from top and Afr turns for the run in could be half to one turn on the carb.
    RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

    2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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    • #77
      I'm posting my thoughts for those who are new to RX. Do you know that occasional short burst is good for the engine than riding at one speed? Here you go ..initial 500 kms where the engine tends to mould and that's how the rest of the life it behaves. All all know that we should not be taking the ride to high revs. But there is a small exception to it. It is said that we need to vary the rpm/speed so that the bore doesn't get glaced.
      This is what I did on all my restorations...
      1st 500 kms 35-45kmph and occasional short burst to 60kmph
      2nd 500 kms varied my speed from 40-60kmph with occasional short burst till 70-80kmph.
      After 1000kms riding around 50-60kmph and taking up to 70-80kmph. Hold on.....

      Get back to workshop/garage and re-tight the bolts and nuts and again calibrate the Afr to optimum.

      After doing 2000kms on the odo and if you don't have any suspicious sounds from engine, whack a bit on empty stretches to see if that holds good ie if you realize you entering the powerband.
      RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

      2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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      • #78
        Re: My Rx100 restoration

        Originally posted by The Celebrity View Post
        Hi Balgi, myself from Kerala and own a '87 model RX 100. Nice to see your enthusiasm on your rebuild. Closing watching it's development since I plan to restore mine to stock look shortly. The RX is in good condition and still running on Japanese parts, just the aesthetic part is comprised little to mix-up with the current trend. (can post a click if you are curious to see it)

        Since I'm here and reading about your numerous engine rebuilds, can you tell me if it needs to be a periodic process or only when in need of one?

        Transmitted from 'La Suisse'


        Hi friend, great to hear from another enthusiast. Yes please post a pic of your 2s beauty would love to see it.



        And if you need any help you can rely on the members of this community that includes me. We will help in any way possible.
        No it is not a periodic process. Sometimes if used right the bikes engine need not be touched for a decade. But periodic checks are adviced but not rebuilds. That only applies if you feel your bike straining to perform. We only go to the doctor if we are sick right.
        Last edited by Balgi; 09-29-2014, 08:15 PM.

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        • #79
          Re: My Rx100 restoration

          Originally posted by avhad sitaram View Post
          [MENTION=72198]Balgi[/MENTION] i know that [MENTION=54239]Nehal[/MENTION] is silent member but itz may not be the criteria to determine ones dedication towards biking.

          i think thousands of silent yet very knowledgable and dedicated bikers are here...i will send him a pm and tell your requirement , lets see what happens..?? I have already placed my demands to him ..!!

          btw my restoration process is damn slow but non stop , hunted parts like footrest front and rear
          footrest bracket
          side stand
          side panels
          manifold rubbers
          all hoses
          engine gasket set
          engine oil seal set
          kick assembly complete
          clutch lever and holder
          brake lever and holder
          all cables
          brake shoes front and rear
          meter bracket
          headlight complete assembly
          headlight stay
          speedo gear assembly
          bearings set engine
          grips
          rear fender with tail lamp assembly
          all ruber part(grommet dampers)
          rears shox platina
          all emblems
          cup and cone

          and yet to hunt
          chasis
          center stand
          oil tank with oil level guage
          air box
          tool box
          lock set rxz
          fuel filter with mount
          front shocker springs
          clutch plate
          kick gear

          i will start restoring once i double sure about parts in hand.
          [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] thanx brother for the useful info .

          Of course my friend all I meant was I couldn't get a hold of [MENTION=54239]Nehal[/MENTION].
          That is a mouth watering list of parts. Awaiting your restoration with eagerness man. If you need anything just let me know. I will help to the best of my capabilities. Btw double checking is a good idea never start a project without all resources. Cheers

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          • #80
            Re: My Rx100 restoration

            Originally posted by kusmaker
            That's nice bit of technical information for the new ones who have just got there Rx-100 rebored,personally i would like to know what is the top speed of an rebored rx-100, i have ridden some rebored rx-100s but after 70 km/h it feels that engine is taking stress, and one wouldn't enjoy pushing the engine further,add to it the AFR is set optimally with proper flow of 2t oil, and is it advisable to rebore an Rx-100 to last 4th O/S piston.

            It is actually not advised as bore gets weaak with every rebore structurally. Upto 2nd oversize only unless absolutly necessary. The new bores are metalurgically weak compared to older series of bores. On those upto 3rd was accepted. Just what I know. So please confirm the metallurgical strength of your cylinder before rebore.

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            • #81
              Re: My Rx100 restoration

              Originally posted by The Celebrity View Post
              Since I'm here and reading about your numerous engine rebuilds, can you tell me if it needs to be a periodic process or only when in need of one?
              Jay, usually a factory built engine(bottom end) lasts at least 10-15 years unless its been abused badly. When you see a problem with shifts, transmission, clutch, its time to do a full bottom engine complete rebuild and that will eliminate all other possibilities that old parts might give up in due course of time. Remember, do it once, do it right. Peace of mind.
              Originally posted by kusmaker
              That's nice bit of technical information for the new ones who have just got there Rx-100 rebored,personally i would like to know what is the top speed of an rebored rx-100, i have ridden some rebored rx-100s but after 70 km/h it feels that engine is taking stress, and one wouldn't enjoy pushing the engine further,add to it the AFR is set optimally with proper flow of 2t oil, and is it advisable to rebore an Rx-100 to last 4th O/S piston.
              It all depends on how best the engine is tuned. Yes, as you said the hike would feel dragged after 70kmph and screaming lungs out. But that's not going to stop. I have taken my rx100 beyond 80kmph and after it behaved normal off course it heaved a pile of smoke though. FYI.. RX can go touch 3 digits(rx135) but it's not stable because of its feather lite thus not safe. To answer your question on top speed I would say 95-100 max on GPS. Again depends on rider and his body weight too. Hope this helps.
              RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

              2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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              • #82
                Re: My Rx100 restoration

                [MENTION=72198]Balgi[/MENTION] check your inbox...!!

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                • #83
                  I have bored 16th OS on my RX ie 54.00 mm and ran 2000 kms without issues. Up to 2mm oversize is very normal on old bores. This comes from my experience.

                  Last edited by SriramEfunds; 09-29-2014, 05:57 PM.
                  RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                  2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                  • #84
                    Re: My Rx100 restoration

                    Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                    I have bored 16th OS on my RX ie 54.00 mm
                    Originally posted by kusmaker
                    i think you might have used Rx-135 piston in Rx-100
                    54mm isn't RX135 spec. Search for his threads to understand the fact.

                    Nissan Sunny XVD | Toyota Corolla | Suzuki Ritz
                    Yamaha RX135 4s-->5s | Yamaha RX100 | Yamaha RXG | Yamaha Ray | TVS Scooty Streak | Duke 390
                    2000 Yamaha RX135 5s (Sold) | 1998 Yamaha RX135 4s (Sold) | 1997 Yamaha RXG (Sold) | 1994 Yamaha RX100 (Sold)

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                    • #85
                      Re: My Rx100 restoration

                      [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] , In my case, old RX100 block took it without issues. It was not RX135 piston that I had it on, as its piston dia is 58.00mm ie 32nd OS in other words, but I had RX115 piston dia 54.00mm with me, so thought would experiment from stock. My friend gave a bore for this experiement and took it forward.

                      To again answer your question on clutch noise, normally there shouldn't be noise emitting from the clutch ie bell because there are two moving components involved, ie. Clutch bell and primary. But certainly there will be a sound from moving parts but we need to distinguish them before we jump into conclusion that theres something wrong.
                      There are cases where the noise emitting is evident only when riding. If there is a ply or the improper mating between them, result would be a noise. In the long run, the teeth might get damaged, if, so, It would not be able to make the primary gear move, thus small front sprocket won't move. That's why the factory fitted clutch assembly (Bell and Primary gear) needs to be kept as pair as they are matched for clearance. Mixing with other pair might lead into issues. Infact, if you are aware all the RX135 bell and primary comes with component gradation where there is distinct code which needs to be matched.
                      RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                      2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                      • #86
                        Re: My Rx100 restoration

                        Originally posted by avhad sitaram View Post
                        [MENTION=72198]Balgi[/MENTION] check your inbox...!!

                        Hey thanx man. Will do.

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                        • #87
                          Re: My Rx100 restoration

                          Originally posted by kusmaker
                          Sixteenth O/S! quite too much man, i think you might have used Rx-135 piston in Rx-100 and what was the fuel consumption with such large bore piston, does cylinder has this much of strength to hold this piston size.

                          Yeah you are right after 70km/h Rx-100 screams out and its light weight doesn't inspire to push the bike further, from my experience i have felt 60km/h is the safest limit on this bike, for the bike and for the rider.

                          Right now my engine is also running on 2nd O/S, though there is some sound of clutch but that's not too harsh, my mechanic told me that this is the genuine sound of any Rx-100 and even new clutch assembly will start making some noise after sometime, later he was suggesting me to go for new cylinder block, but i was insisting on 4th O/S, which he is not suggesting, i even asked him that whether we can fix an rx-100 cylinder with 135 piston, the answer was in negative, may be he knew that with new cylinder block he will be able to extract more money from me,



                          Actually what Sriram says is possible and dooable but no mechanic will advice it as it is close to a race mod. As I mentioned in my post the strength and integrity of the bore is compromised after each boreing is done to some extent. Older bores can take some abuse but new ones come made of lighter material if inferior metallurgical quality and as such 16th OS is quite a wonder man. That's like fixing a new Rx135 kit on the bike.

                          Btw is the noise coming more when the bike idles and reducing when its declutched at idle if so then I had the same problem on my Rx. In fact it was this problem that started it all. It might be the crank gear bolt from the gear that mates with the clutch outer. In my case it was loose and my old mech told me problem would go away with time. I had the presence of mind to take it to my present mech who sorted it out before it did too much damage. Will post pics soon. Do not listen to your mech insist on checking the clutch assay completely. Btw there should be no play between gears or it will eat awy at the driven gear till its irrepairable.
                          Last edited by Balgi; 09-29-2014, 08:32 PM.

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                          • #88
                            Re: My Rx100 restoration

                            Sorry for hijacking this thread....

                            I have 1995 Yamaha Rx 100 and looking for someone who can do decent paint job at nominal cost. Could someone help me in this? I stay near to Indira Nagar / Bangalore.
                            Last edited by rajkumark; 09-29-2014, 09:09 PM.

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                            • #89
                              Re: My Rx100 restoration

                              Originally posted by rajkumark View Post
                              Sorry for hijacking this thread....

                              I have 1995 Yamaha Rx 100 and looking for someone who can do decent paint job at nominal cost. Could someone help me in this? I stay near to Indira Nagar.
                              I'm from Chennai, however, if you are ok to go around your city, go to Kamanahalli, you'll find many who does decent paint job. Answers are available only that we need to move around to find them. All the best

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                              [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] - I don't mind asking around to find out the reality than approaching the mechanic. Offcourse I do go and consult experts but they are not mechanics but they have learned from their experience. While being associated for some years with these machines, you hardly let your mechanic to decide than believe in your experience. While I constantly believe in learning everyday so I stopped consulting mechanics, after all not all of them are trust worthy.

                              To your clarification, you can comfortably go upto 1mm piston on your present bore. IIRC Yamaha was supplying pistons till 1mm for RX100 (seniors correct me if I'm wrong). For sure I know they were supplying piston rings till 0.75mm and I got few too. If you are looking for mileage, then go back to standard is the best choice. Infact, the 1mm will be slightly peppy due to the bigger dia., and drink oil and petrol generously.


                              FYI..Yamaha India only supplies 2 OS pistons for RX135 right from introduction is not because of the liner incapability to Oversizes. Infact, many have purchased the oversizes pistons of RX-K (Malaysian) abroad which shares the same bore spec and run successfully.
                              RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                              2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                              • #90
                                Re: My Rx100 restoration

                                Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                                Jay, usually a factory built engine(bottom end) lasts at least 10-15 years unless its been abused badly. When you see a problem with shifts, transmission, clutch, its time to do a full bottom engine complete rebuild and that will eliminate all other possibilities that old parts might give up in due course of time. Remember, do it once, do it right. Peace of mind.
                                Guess my riding style is giving my RX some more years then before a rebuild.

                                Transmitted from 'La Suisse'
                                Last edited by The Celebrity; 09-29-2014, 11:28 PM.
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