Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[Shreeni0403]

ya ideally we can connect it to ground or battery negative terminal, both should work.

but i want to know which is preferable and recommended. also tell us where you guys have connected it on your bikes.

I had grounded it as well as connected to battery

[sajjt]

I had grounded it as well as connected to battery

Only connected to the chassis along with the RR where the stock rr was bolted.

[princesirohi]

Ok. I think i will also connect it to chasis. Damn dis new mobile i purchased . . . Qwerty keypad . . . It's gonna take sometime to get used to it. So i think by sunday my bike should be ready.

[vinbex]

i hav the headlight assembly.two rear view mirrors and tank flaps of pulsar 200(2009 feb model).i wish 2 sell dis.all r in good condition.any1 intrested can contact me at [email protected]

expected price is approx Rs.1800/-

[road_ripper]

@ all DC conversion Gurus, I have some Queries Please help and answer them
I own a P180 ug3 and i intend to convert my Bike to all DC

1> I intend to make my Pilot lamps, Tail light and Speedo meter run on DC. How to Surpass BCU?

2> I want to try the APE RR way, What will happen to the stock RR then? Does it mean that the Stock RR also remains along with APE RR (Parallel charging?)
@ princesirohi it'll be very helpful if you put out in detail how to do it on a ug3 bike like from stator coils what to ground what to short and how to give input to APE RR etc.

3> I have an Avenger coil with me (headlight = 60 watts power) I dont intend to run many auxilary lamps like drvtm but an HID would be suffice so rewinding isnt neccesary i guess, just an Ape RR and APE RR output to Battery, correct?

4> Does the Ape RR has charge monitoring circuit to stop charging when batter is full? i.e, what happens if my battery is already full and ape rr is still charging it? I do a lot of day riding without the headlights on so there is more than a slim chance that my battery would be fully charged and overcharging would drastically reduce my battery life right?

[drvmtm]

@ all DC conversion Gurus, I have some Queries Please help and answer them
I own a P180 ug3 and i intend to convert my Bike to all DC

1> I intend to make my Pilot lamps, Tail light and Speedo meter run on DC. How to Surpass BCU?

2> I want to try the APE RR way, What will happen to the stock RR then? Does it mean that the Stock RR also remains along with APE RR (Parallel charging?)
@ princesirohi it'll be very helpful if you put out in detail how to do it on a ug3 bike like from stator coils what to ground what to short and how to give input to APE RR etc.

3> I have an Avenger coil with me (headlight = 60 watts power) I dont intend to run many auxilary lamps like drvtm but an HID would be suffice so rewinding isnt neccesary i guess, just an Ape RR and APE RR output to Battery, correct?

4> Does the Ape RR has charge monitoring circuit to stop charging when batter is full? i.e, what happens if my battery is already full and ape rr is still charging it? I do a lot of day riding without the headlights on so there is more than a slim chance that my battery would be fully charged and overcharging would drastically reduce my battery life right?

safest bet is go for rwinding and change of rr.using dual charging with 2 rr s are always risky because the voltage backflow can destroy rr s and ultimatly resulting both rrs and battery can be gone.
what load you want to pull?if you are satisfied with one hid or one 35 watt halo in dc the stock coil of avy also can do the job with some certain tricks,but dont expect butter smooth output from it as you only will be using 4 poles of it.if you have extra coil in ur hand i suddegest you go for rewinding,it will provide you with a strong charging system.
overcharging is not an issue and most of the bike and cars charging system doesnot have any cutout to stop charging after the battery is full.the rr will always keep the voltage in a safe level,so the voltage remains in 12-15 volt area.the battery at first can consume more like upto 3-4 amps but later it gets down to steady 1 amp charge,trickle charge to maintain the battery's charge. ape rr will do it,its tested by me.NOT EVEN P 220/KARIZMA/R 15S charging system drops amp to 1 amp to protect the battery,THEY GIVE MIN OF 2.5 AMPS AT THE MINIMUM.so if those battery can survive,i bet urs also will.

remember if you rewind you use 7 poles thats why you will get better voltage output a more stable one then compared to just floting the ground from an avenger coil.i did both and even for a hid,4 poles will just suffice but in b2b traffic u can face some probs.

just give the coils output 2 wires to ape rr s 2 grey wires,.then,there will be 2 more wire,one yellow,connect it to batterys positive terminal,and black wire,connect to ground via batterys negetive terminal.now just reroute the ac line which was coming out from the stock rr to the battery through the ign switch,you are done.no bcu bypass is needed.

once you fit hid and hit he highways you will then feel the high beam spread of ug 3 reflectors are not at all good,it spreads toomuch. that is the only reason i went for a aux hid for highbeam.more over i am used to car s lighting while driving so 2 lights are minimum.

and please remember if done properly there will be no load to the engine even if you rewind heavily.
currently my coils output is 12.5 [email protected] k rpm,no issues at all.

hope this helps.

[sajjt]

i hav the headlight assembly.two rear view mirrors and tank flaps of pulsar 200(2009 feb model).i wish 2 sell dis.all r in good condition.any1 intrested can contact me at [email protected]

expected price is approx Rs.1800/-

Dear pls do not spoil the charm of this thread, this is not a Classified thread, pls read the the thread name and do accordingly. You can catch more guys if you post it in the right thread. Hope you will take this in right spirit and take care in further posts.

@ all DC conversion Gurus, I have some Queries Please help and answer them
I own a P180 ug3 and i intend to convert my Bike to all DC

1> I intend to make my Pilot lamps, Tail light and Speedo meter run on DC. How to Surpass BCU?

2> I want to try the APE RR way, What will happen to the stock RR then? Does it mean that the Stock RR also remains along with APE RR (Parallel charging?)
@ princesirohi it'll be very helpful if you put out in detail how to do it on a ug3 bike like from stator coils what to ground what to short and how to give input to APE RR etc.

3> I have an Avenger coil with me (headlight = 60 watts power) I dont intend to run many auxilary lamps like drvtm but an HID would be suffice so rewinding isnt neccesary i guess, just an Ape RR and APE RR output to Battery, correct?

4> Does the Ape RR has charge monitoring circuit to stop charging when batter is full? i.e, what happens if my battery is already full and ape rr is still charging it? I do a lot of day riding without the headlights on so there is more than a slim chance that my battery would be fully charged and overcharging would drastically reduce my battery life right?

If u convert the system to DC then all ur lights will be on DC regardless of the the usage. After all why do u want to make only positions lights and tails to DC? Any benefits?

I think Dr has given you a very comprehensive briefing and that will do for your need.

Avy coil can be used for DC conversion but as Dr said, may be B2B traffic it can be tricky. Am using only 4 poles for DC but that's a re winded one capable of driving 8A, so considering future upgradations u can rewind later also.

safest bet is go for rwinding and change of rr.using dual charging with 2 rr s are always risky because the voltage backflow can destroy rr s and ultimatly resulting both rrs and battery can be gone.
what load you want to pull?if you are satisfied with one hid or one 35 watt halo in dc the stock coil of avy also can do the job with some certain tricks,but dont expect butter smooth output from it as you only will be using 4 poles of it.if you have extra coil in ur hand i suddegest you go for rewinding,it will provide you with a strong charging system.
overcharging is not an issue and most of the bike and cars charging system doesnot have any cutout to stop charging after the battery is full.the rr will always keep the voltage in a safe level,so the voltage remains in 12-15 volt area.the battery at first can consume more like upto 3-4 amps but later it gets down to steady 1 amp charge,trickle charge to maintain the battery's charge. ape rr will do it,its tested by me.NOT EVEN P 220/KARIZMA/R 15S charging system drops amp to 1 amp to protect the battery,THEY GIVE MIN OF 2.5 AMPS AT THE MINIMUM.so if those battery can survive,i bet urs also will.

remember if you rewind you use 7 poles thats why you will get better voltage output a more stable one then compared to just floting the ground from an avenger coil.i did both and even for a hid,4 poles will just suffice but in b2b traffic u can face some probs.

just give the coils output 2 wires to ape rr s 2 grey wires,.then,there will be 2 more wire,one yellow,connect it to batterys positive terminal,and black wire,connect to ground via batterys negetive terminal.now just reroute the ac line which was coming out from the stock rr to the battery through the ign switch,you are done.no bcu bypass is needed.

once you fit hid and hit he highways you will then feel the high beam spread of ug 3 reflectors are not at all good,it spreads toomuch. that is the only reason i went for a aux hid for highbeam.more over i am used to car s lighting while driving so 2 lights are minimum.

and please remember if done properly there will be no load to the engine even if you rewind heavily.
currently my coils output is 12.5 [email protected] k rpm,no issues at all.

hope this helps.

Another vouching for APE RR, as you know I've installed a relay to take care of the over charging once my horn points got damaged. On a new points it was working fine with this setup till last week it went out of tuning again which shows its nothing to do with over charging. I am going to connect it directly to the batt. RR is smart to keep the charging rate according to the batt requirement.

[drvmtm]

Another vouching for APE RR, as you know I've installed a relay to take care of the over charging once my horn points got damaged. On a new points it was working fine with this setup till last week it went out of tuning again which shows its nothing to do with over charging. I am going to connect it directly to the batt. RR is smart to keep the charging rate according to the batt requirement.

dear,if i remember correctly you are using roots vibrasonic.those are really good.i am using the same in my swift ldi.are you using a spst relay for the horns or you are using default connection?
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE USING THE SMART COUTOUT CHARGING SYSTEM.
can you please check one thing,use a dmm and see the voltage drop while blowing the horns.
also ,try to use horns for short blasts and repeat if needed but use short blasts,i think you are using like this only.

[sajjt]

dear,if i remember correctly you are using roots vibrasonic.those are really good.i am using the same in my swift ldi.are you using a spst relay for the horns or you are using default connection?
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE USING THE SMART COUTOUT CHARGING SYSTEM.
can you please check one thing,use a dmm and see the voltage drop while blowing the horns.
also ,try to use horns for short blasts and repeat if needed but use short blasts,i think you are using like this only.

Yeah, its on SPST relay else my switch will go within days. They are very good in performance especially when u want to take an overtake from a reckless lorry driver.

Am yet to buy a new one, I smoked the old one. Traffic block and B2b traffic is really a pain, waiting for a holiday to get it.

OMG, if u keep on pressing on a road unnecessarily, people will slap at u, its too loud for continuous honking. U can honk an air horn with melody which is more louder than the Roots (Stebel/Thunder or so) no one will even stare but this will attract every ones cursing.

Batt stays cool, I can start with a single crank but the horn cries, the contact point must've gone again. Its time for another DIY on horns.

[road_ripper]

safest bet is go for rwinding and change of rr.

remember if you rewind you use 7 poles thats why you will get better voltage output a more stable one then compared to just floting the ground from an avenger coil.
currently my coils output is 12.5 [email protected] k rpm,no issues at all.

Thank you so much for the long n detailed reply,
Then i'll be going the rewinding way, what should i tell them? i.e, should i tell them just to rewind or is there something like 19guage, 17 guage wire etc? I guess the pulsar has 7 poles so they would rewind all the 7 poles right? will try fetching an Ape RR this weekend and also i heard there are actually 2-3 versions of Ape RR, which one should i get?

If u convert the system to DC then all ur lights will be on DC regardless of the the usage. After all why do u want to make only positions lights and tails to DC? Any benefits?
Avy coil can be used for DC conversion but as Dr said, may be B2B traffic it can be tricky.

Ya actually i want to convert my bike to full DC including headlight but I heard from some of them that in UG3 models the BCU is the spoil sport, if u make headlight to full DC also the BCU restricts the headlight load to 35W. so wanted to ask if there is any part played by BCU in controlling all the lights.

I have heard a lot about Ruby electricals in Bangalore, can anyone please tell me where this comes and also if anybody has some feedback after coil rewinding from Ruby please share it, I would like to get it done from Ruby. More details about Ruby would be appreciated.

[sajjt]

Thank you so much for the long n detailed reply,
Then i'll be going the rewinding way, what should i tell them? i.e, should i tell them just to rewind or is there something like 19guage, 17 guage wire etc? I guess the pulsar has 7 poles so they would rewind all the 7 poles right? will try fetching an Ape RR this weekend and also i heard there are actually 2-3 versions of Ape RR, which one should i get?


Ya actually i want to convert my bike to full DC including headlight but I heard from some of them that in UG3 models the BCU is the spoil sport, if u make headlight to full DC also the BCU restricts the headlight load to 35W. so wanted to ask if there is any part played by BCU in controlling all the lights.

I have heard a lot about Ruby electricals in Bangalore, can anyone please tell me where this comes and also if anybody has some feedback after coil rewinding from Ruby please share it, I would like to get it done from Ruby. More details about Ruby would be appreciated.

PM Shree, he knows the details. Ask them to wind all the 7 poles with 19g wire as much as possible. They may not like the idea of converting it to full DC, rest u can do as per the directions given on previous pages.

Actually u r not going to give any stress to the BCU, instead use the stock switch to power the relays only. Load to the bulb will be routed thru the relays. Dr can tell u more in this.

[road_ripper]

PM Shree, he knows the details. Ask them to wind all the 7 poles with 19g wire as much as possible.
Actually u r not going to give any stress to the BCU, instead use the stock switch to power the relays only. Load to the bulb will be routed thru the relays. Dr can tell u more in this.

ok will do it with 19g wire, You mean my headlight switch will control a relay and the relay will operate the load from battery? In that case i may have to change the wiring right and The doctor suggestion "just reroute the ac line which was coming out from the stock rr to the battery through the ign switch,you are done.no bcu bypass is needed" of routing the wires cannot be followed.

[drvmtm]

ok will do it with 19g wire, You mean my headlight switch will control a relay and the relay will operate the load from battery? In that case i may have to change the wiring right and The doctor suggestion "just reroute the ac line which was coming out from the stock rr to the battery through the ign switch,you are done.no bcu bypass is needed" of routing the wires cannot be followed.

please read this,this will clarify a lot of queries.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/desi-bikes/13426-electrical-modification-convert-apaches-full-dc-power-run-hids-all-day.html#post447482

bcu is no problem-latest update,just reroute the ac line which was coming out from the stock rr to the battery through the ign switch,you are done.no bcu bypass is needed.
use a relay if you use any load more then 35 watt,

hope this helps.

[abhichotu.abhi]

Incase of already DC bikes, what should be done to increase the charging rate?? Will it require the change of RR too?? I own a 180 UG4.

[drvmtm]

Incase of already DC bikes, what should be done to increase the charging rate?? Will it require the change of RR too?? I own a 180 UG4.

change the rr to a high cap one eg piaggio ape one,or bajaj gc 1000 s rr.then see ,the charging rate will def increase.p 180 ug 4 uses a 8 pole stator wich i thik will be enough to support a 55/60 all day.in case of any prob just rewind,you are done.