Helmets

[Soul_Hunter]

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Like i said, whats the gamble when you have returns/exchange/refund
And yeh, to each his own.. and if someone wants to read about the ISI standard https://law.resource.org/pub/in/bis/....4151.1993.pdf

Don't you think its a PTA to wait for days to get the right sized helmet shipped if you are going for an exchange, when you can directly go to the shop and pick up the right sized helmet then and there itself. And you can also check the quality of the helmet by yourself instead of relying on some pictures shown in the site.


Cheers

[s1d]

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Don't you think its a PTA to wait for days to get the right sized helmet shipped if you are going for an exchange, when you can directly go to the shop and pick up the right sized helmet then and there itself. And you can also check the quality of the helmet by yourself instead of relying on some pictures shown in the site.


Cheers

Do you think all shops will always have the right size in the model/color of the helmet you have chosen ? From my experience NO.
I remember once being at the biggest wholesale/retail store in Chennai, but was unable to get the right combinations (model/color/size)
As I mentioned, buying online is JUST ANOTHER OPTION the customer has.. it may not suit your needs but there are others who would make use of this option.

Ok, I am not going to continue this discussion on online vs offline shopping here - Let's get back to discussing the real time helmet related items here before the mods throw me in prison

[dannyR15]

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Why not ? Especially when you can return them if you aren't satisfied (size/fit) with it.
Also if you had used a particular helmet in the past and are looking for the same one (being sure of your size), picking it up online wouldn't be a problem
And of course not to mention the discounts that are sometimes available online & not at the brick n mortar stores.
The idea is not absurd (at least not as absurd as selling undergarments online ), but just another choice for the customer

PS: I ordered my helmet from a dealer in Chennai because i couldn't find it in Hyderabad.. it was over email/phone and back then I was wishing someone sold them online at reasonable prices including shipping.

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What do you mean by that ISI standard helmets are 'flimsier' ? Did you perform any test's to come to that conclusion or is it just your intuition ?
That is the standard in India, and nobody said it being above or beyond anything. They are of course fake/duplicate helmets that just have an ISI sticker on them being sold for 200rs, but I am sure a good brand like Studds/Vega etc.. will adhere to the real ISI standard and that their helmets are of good quality (of course the benefits will be available only when you wear them on your head)
A totally different topic if you say the desi standard (ISI) is poor, then there are whole range of other things which can be debated, like for example the 'crash test' standards for automobiles in india.. have you read that recently most small cars sold in India had failed the crash tests conducted by NCAP ?

Very much am aware of crash tests on indian sold vehicles (some like nano and alto etc etc). But yeah i have compared the studds 3G ? And the LS2 supra just the feeing when you put it in your hand is what im saying. To each his own. I've owned all of the helmets you talk of (studds 3G, steelbird (the bug eye lens ones), both "ISI", and then the LS2 supra and now the MT AXXIS). In hindsight the sheer shock of difference in quality is what got me. This is only my opinion, the indian brands are getting better, but ISI vs DOT. DOT always. Sorry if i offended your sentiments but this is the truth.

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[prateek2210]

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Let me share my experience too then just to let people know why I call Vega plastic buckets.
Helmets I personally had/used were Autogreen, Vega Formula HP and Boolean, Studds Rhyno. My current one is DOT LS2, the first lot that came from Spain, yes the rarest one and thats why I could not source its visor till now.

Autogreen was stolen within days of me buying it and that was way back in 2005.
Vega Boolean's so called flip up almost took off when it fell from my hand (could imagine what would happen in a crash)
Vega Formula HP, still somewhere in my junkyard, can be bent with just my hands.
Studds Rhyno is way better than the Vegas

[dannyR15]

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Let me share my experience too then just to let people know why I call Vega plastic buckets.
Helmets I personally had/used were Autogreen, Vega Formula HP and Boolean, Studds Rhyno. My current one is DOT LS2, the first lot that came from Spain, yes the rarest one and thats why I could not source its visor till now.

Autogreen was stolen within days of me buying it and that was way back in 2005.
Vega Boolean's so called flip up almost took off when it fell from my hand (could imagine what would happen in a crash)
Vega Formula HP, still somewhere in my junkyard, can be bent with just my hands.
Studds Rhyno is way better than the Vegas

We have the same LS2's i had to upgrade coz no visor :/

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[xpranav]

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Why not ? Especially when you can return them if you aren't satisfied (size/fit) with it.
Also if you had used a particular helmet in the past and are looking for the same one (being sure of your size), picking it up online wouldn't be a problem
And of course not to mention the discounts that are sometimes available online & not at the brick n mortar stores.
The idea is not absurd (at least not as absurd as selling undergarments online ), but just another choice for the customer

PS: I ordered my helmet from a dealer in Chennai because i couldn't find it in Hyderabad.. it was over email/phone and back then I was wishing someone sold them online at reasonable prices including shipping

I am very sorry if "absurd" came as some rough expression. What I only meant by stating my post was that every thing around us has a purpose. Sometimes the addition of purposes improves the usage and sometimes it fails. Buying general purpose stuff is ok but dedicated stuff needs some dedicated shops (whether online/offline).

but I am sure a good brand like Studds/Vega etc.. will adhere to the real ISI standard and that their helmets are of good quality (of course the benefits will be available only when you wear them on your head)

Although we already had this discussion many-many times before as well, but just FYI ISI is indeed a good (if not the best) standard for safety guidelines related to helmets but the home players have been making a lot of fun out of the lose law enforcement in our country. You will appreciate my words further more if you take a look at the new models from these "brands"

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Not only that, the helmets tat are shod with the ISI marking feel flimsier than good quality toilet mugs (fast track) and i dont get how if something is DoT standard or ec standard, that the ISI mark is above and beyond it o.O , like really even nowadays people still ride without strapping the helmets on -_-.

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Though we have a lot of worrying products these days in the market from Indian manufacturers, who have stamped them as ISI certified, still there are a few models which are "really good for what you pay"

And it really shows a lot of lack of respect & information in oneself when you fail to recognize a fake/faulty helmet labeled with ISI and keep on chatting that "ISI helmets feel flimsier". If you take a closer look at the construction of the chin protector of many of the ISI labeled helmets available in the market from these home-name brands, you will realize that there is no shell at all and it is all plastic. That is why when you try to press it with both hands it feels flimsier even if the shell at the crown is good enough for our everyday use. And please do not compare ISI with DOT/ECE ( you know why )

[dannyR15]

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And it really shows a lot of lack of respect & information in oneself when you fail to recognize a fake/faulty helmet labeled with ISI and keep on chatting that "ISI helmets feel flimsier". If you take a closer look at the construction of the chin protector of many of the ISI labeled helmets available in the market from these home-name brands, you will realize that there is no shell at all and it is all plastic. That is why when you try to press it with both hands it feels flimsier even if the shell at the crown is good enough for our everyday use. And please do not compare ISI with DOT/ECE ( you know why )[/QUOTE]

A HUGE majority of real and FAKE ISI shod helmets feel like toilet mugs. and yes there is a lack of respect where they show a lack of concern towards absolute safety. And everyday use? I'd want my head to be protected best no matter if it was everyday or if I was hurtling down Ehra-Lessien at the speed of sound. I find it a necessity to compare them bro, coz these helmets are approved by the government and won't stand even on test for any international standard, appalling if you ask me.

[xpranav]

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A HUGE majority of real and FAKE ISI shod helmets feel like toilet mugs. and yes there is a lack of respect where they show a lack of concern towards absolute safety. And everyday use? I'd want my head to be protected best no matter if it was everyday or if I was hurtling down Ehra-Lessien at the speed of sound. I find it a necessity to compare them bro, coz these helmets are approved by the government and won't stand even on test for any international standard, appalling if you ask me.

If you have any anger and concern, then take it down on to the real culprit ......... the manufacturers ............ file a lawsuit and pursuit them to the justice that they deserve. ISI is still the same as it was before. And you know it way too well how things are approved from a government office, so there is no point draining out your energy on an already good standard. That is what I am appealing here. Any rule/law is generally framed as per the economy and the population at hand, ours being a very populous nation is not so stringent on safety standards, which stands as the cruel reality. We even have relaxed emission norms as compared to Euro ones (and so we are allowed to cause more pollution), but does that mean that you have started to ride one European machine ?

[dannyR15]

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If you have any anger and concern, then take it down on to the real culprit ......... the manufacturers ............ file a lawsuit and pursuit them to the justice that they deserve. ISI is still the same as it was before. And you know it way too well how things are approved from a government office, so there is no point draining out your energy on an already good standard. That is what I am appealing here. Any rule/law is generally framed as per the economy and the population at hand, ours being a very populous nation is not so stringent on safety standards, which stands as the cruel reality. We even have relaxed emission norms as compared to Euro ones (and so we are allowed to cause more pollution), but does that mean that you have started to ride one European machine ?

I feel as though were saying the same thing.

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[s1d]

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All this discussion over the past few posts started just because i mentioned flipkart was selling helmets look at where it has snowballed to ! [MENTION=59642]xpranav[/MENTION] - @your last cpl of posts : i agree & that' what i was saying/implying in my prev posts. You gotta use your head (pun intended, if any) when you judge/buy helmets.
btw, i liked how you put it - We even have relaxed emission norms as compared to Euro ones (and so we are allowed to cause more pollution), but does that mean that you have started to ride one European machine ?

[chaosaddict]

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If I see one more post on ISI Vs. DOT/ECE/SNELL certification, I must admit I'll hafta cut myself off of this thread, sigh!; beloved xBhp.


Anyways, can anyone tell me if the Sparx visor is switchable with any other helmet; those ventilators are real handy when foggy?

[Sid85]

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If I see one more post on ISI Vs. DOT/ECE/SNELL certification, I must admit I'll hafta cut myself off of this thread, sigh!; beloved xBhp.


Anyways, can anyone tell me if the Sparx visor is switchable with any other helmet; those ventilators are real handy when foggy?

Don't exactly know if Sparx's visors are switchable or not but yes the ventilators are really good on the go...if you stop in a traffic the inside would get doggy.





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[ShyamSasindran]

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Just ordered this helmet online for my Avenger 220

[Divya Sharan]

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Just ordered this helmet online for my Avenger 220

Looks cool indeed, but why the aversion to full face helmets? A fall > 25 kmph can be lethal with these kinda buckets!

[jeevan.life]

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Just ordered this helmet online for my Avenger 220

Looks cool indeed, but why the aversion to full face helmets? A fall > 25 kmph can be lethal with these kinda buckets!

Completely agree. It may look cool, but helmet is for your safety. Strongly advice you to buy a full faced one.

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