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One more suggestion here - Use front brakes first! Rear ones are mainly to complement in braking. There's a reason why front discs are bigger than rear drums/discs, right?
Use 70:30 front:rear braking ratio.

However, you may use more of the rear brakes in gravel and slush. Maybe like 50:50.

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There are no fixed rules for braking mate. Once you master the art of riding and you understand your ride's capability you should be the best person to describe braking
If your rear brakes are powerful use them first and then continue with disc for added braking. This is what I do . I use the front discs only at stop and go traffics.

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thanks all.
and while we are still on braking....... there is this one more thing.

earlier when i hardly used d front discs i used to punch in the rear drums HARD which results in the rear wheel getting locked and the bike coming to a sliding stop with the back wheel coming to my right.
whats that all about ?
i know its wrong and ineffective braking though i enjoyed it and the bike always remained in my control. the problem disappeared when i got using the front discs.

got to ride the new RE Electra, hell scared on using the discs on that one. but its got rear drums too.

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Next time you are in a car, do try this. Close all the windows and doors, and listen to any music at the mid range of the volume bar, and ask any of your friend to honk from outside of the car, you would be able to listen to the horn.
Now use your headphones at the same volume and let us know if you can hear any other sounds or not, leave aside the honking from other road users.

Be it safe or not, you just cant change lanes just like that. Be it first world country and you would have been behind bars for overtaking from the wrong side.
There is a reason why our country follows right-hand steering system and law says to overtake from the right. Please search blind spot on Google too.
As Divya said, whom so ever said that 2 wheelers are for "cutting" through traffic, give him a tight slap.

He said highways with reference to red lining, although I am not in favor of that even. City or even highways in this case is no place to "learn and try" these things, Enroll in CSS and change your "perception".

You are inviting some trouble here by doing this, just using the disc brake in straight line will result in skidding if the tires are worn out or if any uneven surface is there.

Don't jeopardize your and others life just for "enjoyment".
It comes to your right because you unconsciously are doing counter-steering.
For braking go through this thread "Braking"

Why scared? It wont bite you. May be because its heavy and you are "assuming" that it wont stop? It will stop. Too much physics involved in that, torque, momentum, centre of gravity etc etc.


P.S. : Honestly, I somehow thought that your thinking about riding two-wheeler in a city would be different from "commuters", but sorry I was disappointed. This I hope you take in a constructive way, I do not mean to de-motivate you. Period

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About Braking:

Primarily, use both brakes in tandem gauging it through real time feedback the brakes have on the lever.

In nakeds and cruisers the back brakes are lightly more effective due to the center of gravity bearing more weight on their back wheels, while on a super sports or a sports tourer the COG is below the footpeg and biased towards front so the front discs really work well and the back discs are hardly effective for actual braking.

On a Naked you can pretty much stunt around whacking your backs to drift like you said (sliding on the right etc - can even be done while engine braking)... do get accustomed to the ride, weight and braking on a cruiser before you try drifting or stunting... and ALWAYS REMEMBER safely to others and you are of paramount importance, so keep your stunting on a playground or an abandoned road and keep a watch for animals even there... apart from suiting up aptly for it.

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Had another incident this monday. I fell off after the rear tire of my bike slipped badly on a unused railway track which had potholes all around it and it was raining too. I barely took 30 seconds to get up and get back on the road. During this interval I had to face super bad honking and shouting of these retards on the road who think I was lying there for fun . Why are people here always in a hurry? They even force me to break signal which I don't and proceed to the extreme side and let em pass. We really do need a reform in the traffic management and how rules are applied and actions taken.

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Hope you're fine bro. See, the problem is all of us crib about this and do nothing. We must be the change. At least, we xbhpians. May be then, by the next gen, we'd be able to see some change on our roads.
Something worth reading - Why should I be the sucker? - Team-BHP

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Well people are not idiots all the time. Some are idiots due to arrogance, stress and lack of knowledge. Well we can change/help people who are idiots due to stress and lack of knowledge. But people who are idiots due to arrogance, lets say just ignore them or try to stay as far as possible from them. The other two types can be helped in many ways.

Just an incident the other day. A person was walking in the platform so I was relaxed as he is no immediate threat to my ride. But suddenly he tried to cross the road and I had to panic brake. Luckily nothing happened, But he was under a terrible shock. He just stood there dumbstruck. I was calm and told him to watch where he is going. I was astonished to find him apologise to me saying that he was thinking of some serious matters in life and was not concentrating on the road. I told him to take it kool and be careful in future as he may not be lucky next time. I could see a smile in his face and he was on his way safely.

One more incident happened when me and wife were together on a ride. This time at an traffic signal. The time was about 8.30pm. The road was pretty empty and my way was having a green signal. So I was just cruising when a young man just crossed the road. Again stopped safely. But was full of anger and was about to shout at the person when he said sorry sir. Then that chilled me to my kools and I asked him why did he cross the road when it was red for the pedestrian. He said he don't know what red stands for or what green stands for . He said he is very confused by these signals and just crosses the road when it is empty and does not look at the signals. I literally felt pity for the guy and gave him a quick lesson about the signals. My wife was even more astonished as to how kool I was and teaching some guy about the traffic signal.

Anyway I think there is a lot scope for people to change. The only thing that is required is our patiences.

Cheers,

Mathews

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I am absolutely fine. Escaped with minimal injuries like a sprained wrist . Yes we should absolutely be the change as no one else is gonna bother about the same and i even try to teach my friends some of the important aspects . But everytime I end up being laughed or pitied upon so have reduced doing it. A little stricter rules and restrictions will always help(but that will come in a million years ) . Will surely read that thread in spare time.

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Kudos. We do need more people like you. I get laughed at too, I've being shown the finger many a time, by ladies as well; but that does not deter me.
Regarding the bold part, that is the key.

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hmmmm .......interesting.

now before i start i would like to say that there are multiple ways to approach a problem. there is an Ideal \ Absolute way and then there is a Real world scenario with variables hence different viewpoints and right and wrong so i see it its "All Relative".
picking a fight is not my intention here but if ur reading too much into it and being too literal then im bound to come up as cocky and pompous....only thats not my point.



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i get it.
i have stopped using earphones inside helmet in the city at least. but on the highways i just have to listen while gently cruising on the sides..........what do you know im the idiot you will find on highways.......but at least im the one whose got potential to evolve !!



Be it 1st world country i wld have cared and already been to CSS.
but its NOT so i care more about getting to my destination safely. who am i hurting here and if the cops find me i will pay for breaking the law ( read Fine).
Thanks for the "Blind spot". will keep it in mind from now on.



i see that divya Strongly disagrees with me and so do you clearly but thats okay bcz its All Relative.
mine works just fine for me, we all get late and stuck in traffic and want to get to our destinations and if i can shave off a few minutes then i will take it. sorry for not waiting when the signal is Red and its Midnight....... the voice in my head says "u can pass - i pass."
its not that im rooting for "the citizen of the year" award.........its usually my close friends who get it.

and on the same note when others on the site say that "duke is So much FUN in the city what fun part are they refering to ?? "

in case u didnt notice i refered to it as "the problem"
i dont do it purposefully....... it happened just wn i have to break in emergency and i fear using the front disc i apply the rear drum hard and hence the skidding part.
im trying to Save others and my life there.
and lets face it - Skidding Stop........its pleasurable; on the same note "how great was Tokyo Drift !! "
cool to know that i can countersteer.... now thats going on my Resume !!



i think somehow i associate disc brakes = skidding and so have hard time trusting them in an emergency or when on a new and more powerfull bike.
the new electra scares me bcz the seat height is a bit uncomfortable for me giving the weight of the bike as i can only get both my toes on ground and even slight shift of balance while braking would mean i would have to let go.
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P.S. :- i am sorry if u felt that way.
in a broad sense we All are "commuters" but i guess u are talking relatively. as i see it there's always a learning curve to things and each person has its peculiarities....... well mine may not coincide with yours or be anywhere near "the ideal curve" but thats okay i can understand it.
and Perception is a Fickle thing my friend and who knows with time my thinking about riding a two wheeler wont dissapoint u. [ May be it will Infuriate you ]
As u said so and i agree "i have a lot to learn" and im willing, but at My pace not anyone else's.
yours says 'Rusted' i respect that.........mine says 'Rookie' u should accept that.

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hey Vykier
thanx for explaining in easy terms.
i do try stuff on a playground but the loose mud\sand makes it difficult and risky.
while tryin a wheelie the rear tyre wont grip the earth as it does on the road + it gets wobbly and uneven.

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I am happy that you accept you flaws all of us have it in us. I was not always like this. I was the same idiot that is mentioned in the thread. But time, friends(XBHP) and experience changed that all. You will have your day of learning and changing your ways. Then please listen to what your mind and heart says and please change your self. The sooner you change the better you will be able to enjoy your life to the fullest.

Cheers

Mathews

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Completely agree to accuengineer here. I'm not against anybody here. After all, who are we? A forum right? Where one can agree to disagree!
But, what we're trying to convey is - what is right not just for one person, but others on the road at that time as well. But yes, one learns with time and experience. Let our new guy have that experience first. Nobody learns the easy way. Sigh!

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There's somethings i've got to state even if I run the risk of being an Idiot... which I am in any case (some very close people call me that just because I'm an ardent rider)... so lets keep relativity inside discussions because in our country you hardly get 'exactness'... while you always get 'relative'... well, relatively .

I do too stuff my earphones in my ear before long distance riding... mainly for a couple of reasons; One, to hear calls when my phone rings (I get imp calls anytime, anywhere). Secondly, the volume I keep on the earphones are bare minimum (just to aid humming along) ... enough to enjoy the sound and the grunt of the bike's engine/exhaust, making me surely capable of hearing horns and other sounds. While soloing I also find myself more susceptible to dozing off or get the 'rider's numbness' if I'm not jigging along to music whenever I feel so... so I find listening to music relatively safer ((Personally))... wouldn't advise it to anyone, nor would recommend. But if you can draw your own line somewhere safe... then good... otherwise life reminds us... harder than any xBhp member can. I have dozed off while riding in the past and life did remind me with many broken bones (bless my gear) I still ride.

About traffic rules... some might find me a bit of a rebel/idiot out here, but I find blindly following rules (especially lane system) a failure to Indian society. The rules we have aren't by us and made for us... its by the British, made for them when they were here. For everybody quoting rules and regulations... where in the rule book does it give guidance to deal with cattle? or Bullock carts? or even Rickshaws or fully loaded tractors in cities? Its for a society that does not have these issues or these issues are controlled. With this sort of a population and diversity in it... there needs to be either a more complex form a rule book encompassing every type of road using vehicle/person in India (for which there'd be need of bigger roads/infrastructure than even the US), we dont have the land for that, so the next best thing is to adapt... that doesn't mean I cross over red lights at midnight... that means I will break the so called laning law for things like 'cattle on the road' or a dumb fuc walking like a 'hero' on the Fast lane, or that crazy gap in the median dug out by villagers to cross over... In these situations by following lane discipline, i'd only be endangering more lives... so you may call me an Idiot but i'd rather bank on common sense here sometimes than simply follow an inadequate rulebook. But again, drawing a line for oneself is something everyone (especially someone like me) ought to do, for in our country, there is definite catastrophe beyond it.
[MENTION=63636]dnewguy[/MENTION] For drifting practice etc = Empty Playground or field. For wheelies use abandoned roads/old unused roads or best join a legitimate stunting club. Look and ask around the forum, i'm sure you'll find fellows doing it the right way.

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