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  • @ Abhimanyu

    I have used the dtsi oil on my 220 for the first 20000 kms without a problem. But I switched to Castrol full synthetic only for the drain interval. Other benefits being negligible. The dtsi has to be changed within 2-2.5k kms. FS oil gives me about 5k kms. Good enough for a tourer. With dtsi I have to tote a can of oil in my saddle bag on a long ride.

    Also FS works out cheaper
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    • Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
      Luke,
      The Bajaj DTSi oil is made by one of India's top oil company i.e. Hindustan Petroleum (formerly Esso, before nationalization). It is a misconceived idea that many have that oil from such companies is inferior to oils from big names like Motul, Mobile, etc. The companies do not have big racing programs or huge marketing budgets. Their distribution is predominantly from the fuel stations that sell their fuel, thus allowing these companies to keep their cost low.
      I did read the specifications of Bajaj DTS-I, and found it was effectively superior grade oil.

      You are right that the marketing expenses of for example Motul (sad to say that since it's a French Company and I am French too) make people think their products are "super-superior".....while they may be actually lo-cost, like the Motul 5100 for example, but sometimes sold at a premium. Motul spends a lot of money sponsoring all the major motorcycle races, but what they do not tell you is that the oil they provide for those bikes is NOT available on the market (and is not a multigrade as well!). The get themselves a big name by their commercial activity, and all believe their stuff is Number One!!!
      When I do something stupid, my consolation is to know that I'll do the worse one only once!

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      • Back to the mods on my bike an interesting comparison!!!

        Both Mik and I , and eventually some others, have highly praised (hahaha!) the beautiful work delivered by Mr. Haryono, of Automotivespartsshop.

        Although his "capabilities" have been well demonstrated already, and although I had already posted a picture of this wonderful piece of precision machinig and also one of Joel's, I thought it was interesting to show a side by side comparison of the camshaft I had received from this person, and the one I just received from Mr. Joel Joseph.

        Here they are:



        Which is who's, do you think?

        But what is more "educative" is actually this other shot of the shape of the cams:



        Joel's camshaft, on the right, is made from a rough casting, and then machined to the required profile, while the Automotivespartsshop one is grinded from the stock camshaft....and when we say grinded, we mean grinded! Look at the amount of metal that has been taken off, and also at the extremely steep opening/ closing, with a very round top of the cams, and a huge difference in height of the cam between open and closed (+ 4mm than stock!) compared to far more gentle, not too long time open, and only 1mm. higher opening than the stock camshaft.....which stock camshaft is presently on my bike, but I shall post a picture once it will be taken off.

        The consequences one must be aware off (forget the miserable quality of the machining) when using such a camshaft, is that the whole valve train, from the chain sprocket on the crankshaft to the valves themselves, springs, guides, rockers, camshaft, chain and all, will be submitted to much higher accelerations, and much higher strain. Also, if the engine and valve train will "force" the valve to open at high speed, it will still be the springs that will close them....and with such steep cams, it might (no: will) actually limit the rpm at which the springs can close the valves.

        So, what is the gain?
        One sure thing is, to start with, that the valve springs will need to be changed! So much, once again, for the "plug and play" this "gentleman" keeps on selling.
        One, also, is that the rockers will have to work at such an angle that they will touch the edge of the spring retainers, as Mik discovered!
        Last but not least: a bike fitted with such an extreme camshaft is practically...unusable!!! It will have power only at very high revs, and will be impossible to adjust the idling. May even be VERY difficult to start!

        All this to warn you, bros, not only about this automotivespartsshop joint, but against all these many suppliers of super-fantastic-expialidocious aftermarket wonders. Some - a very few actually! - will have well studied, tried and proven parts, while others will just sell you....that kind of junk! That is one danger of the Internet: one cannot see what he is buying, just read the blah blah of the salesman....but in the other hand, Internet allows everyone of us to warn against such suppliers as this Indonesian one.

        In all cases: beware!
        Last edited by Lucky Luke; 11-06-2012, 04:30 PM.
        When I do something stupid, my consolation is to know that I'll do the worse one only once!

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        • ^^^ just wanted to add; the amount of 'stress' that such a cam will put on the valve seats will eventually lead to distortion and requiring replacement.
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          • Congrats on your new acquisition!! When time does permit would love to hear your views about post installation experience with the RC camshaft..


            Cheers,
            Last edited by shv18; 11-05-2012, 06:42 PM. Reason: correction
            A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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            • Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
              ^^^ just wanted to add; the amount of 'stress' that such a cam will put on the valve seats will eventually lead to distortion and requiring replacement.
              ....on the valve seats..????...or do you mean on the valve guides? On the guides, yes, sure, but I just can't see where/ how the seats themselves could suffer: all they get comes from the springs, not the cams...

              Well: since the springs would have to be changed to be able to close the valves that fast, the poor seats would then get a nice little "bang", effectively...! Bronze seats would fare better in this instance....
              Would need good valves too!!!
              Last edited by Lucky Luke; 11-06-2012, 04:26 PM.
              When I do something stupid, my consolation is to know that I'll do the worse one only once!

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              • Originally posted by Lucky Luke View Post

                Well: since the springs would have to be changed to be able to close the valves that fast, the poor seats would then get a nice little "bang", effectively...! Bronze seats would do better too.
                Thats what I meant... Once you put in stiffer springs, its going to be one of the side effects....
                Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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                • Originally posted by Lucky Luke View Post

                  All this to warn you, bros, not only about this automotivespartsshop joint,
                  FCUK Hary and his Automotivesparepartssh1t shop.
                  Everyone I've spoken to in Indo, Philippines and VN have nothing but bad things to say about him.
                  2013 Ducati M795 with a few mods in here http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/superbik...95-owners.html
                  Want to talk about modding your FZ? http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tech-talk.html
                  My videos http://www.youtube.com/user/FZSMik/videos

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                  • Hello someone could recommend a shop to buy some parts, to accept payment via paypal and make shipments to South America

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                    • Originally posted by ramiro47 View Post
                      Hello someone could recommend a shop to buy some parts, to accept payment via paypal and make shipments to South America
                      Luke and Mik should be able to help you out better. However, if you are looking for an Indian source then you could take a look at :.Welcome To Race Concepts.: and Joel Joseph. Since he has shipped some parts to Luke in Vietnam, I think he should be able to help you out.
                      Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                      Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                      "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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                      • Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                        Luke and Mik should be able to help you out better. However, if you are looking for an Indian source then you could take a look at :.Welcome To Race Concepts.: and Joel Joseph. Since he has shipped some parts to Luke in Vietnam, I think he should be able to help you out.
                        Thanks for the prompt reply, he planned to talk with a cam and clutch springs, and know of any business that is dedicated to accessories like front brake disc. etc

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                        • Originally posted by ramiro47 View Post
                          Thanks for the prompt reply, he planned to talk with a cam and clutch springs, and know of any business that is dedicated to accessories like front brake disc. etc
                          Joel also has front disc break with steel braided lines. He will also be able to provide you with a 180cc big bore kit and custom blue printed head.
                          Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                          Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                          "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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                          • Originally posted by ramiro47 View Post
                            Thanks for the prompt reply, he planned to talk with a cam and clutch springs, and know of any business that is dedicated to accessories like front brake disc. etc
                            Hi Ramiro,Why don't you check out this thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...ouse-fz18.html It lists all the kits available from Race Concepts India.

                            Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                            Joel also has front disc break with steel braided lines. He will also be able to provide you with a 180cc big bore kit and custom blue printed head.
                            Mate would you mind also throwing a light on the braking kit provided by Dagrex from Yamaha for FZ? How good or bad are its figures?

                            Cheers,
                            Last edited by shv18; 11-15-2012, 07:31 AM.
                            A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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                            • Hi Mik and Luke

                              Would appreciate if you throw some light on Leo Vince Cobra Exhaust. I have searched google but couldn't find a review about it. It would have been nice if you can share any information about it.

                              My questions are:

                              1. Is it street specific?

                              2. How about the sound comparing to stock, Is it too loud (with db killer inserted)?

                              3. What is the performance comparing to the stock?

                              4. What about pollution. Is the pollution controlled just as the stock one?


                              Was very much interested in Joel's exhaust but I don't like the sound. Not because it's too bassy but it itches the ears of cops here. Cops are catching bikers here with loud sounds coming from their exhausts

                              Thanks

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                              • Modified FZ16, FZ-S, Fazers owners Tech Talk

                                ^^^ the Disc kit from Daytona is actually a Nissin disc, master cylinder, steel braided lines and caliper bracket. Frankly if you ask me, it's a overkill, actually feel there are more draw backs to this whole kit than positives.

                                First of all, the stock brake has plenty of stopping power. Even under extreme conditions the stock brake will not feel under powered. It will take a lot to overwhelm the stock setup and if you are able to do that, then you have really got your self in to serious trouble. The biggest and most positive change that you could make to the setup is changing over to steel braided line. This one change will really transform the stock setup from good to superlative.

                                The bigger disc setup has its set of drawbacks. For one, it increases weight. Secondly, the caliper does not fit directly onto the fork mountings. It requires a adapter plate which means two extra bolts and greater chances for flexing under certain conditions.
                                Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                                Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                                "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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