+1, on personal experience and my friend's R170, it has indeed changed the character of my ride even though i am currently on stage 1 mod only.. i.e. just the FFE upgrade.

My gen of exhaust also has witnessed rust forming up but a visit to plating shop should do the trick an take care of the rust. Joel knows what his exhaust's output will be in terms of performance. However, i do wish he would use better steel. But that would also mean that the price band will also increase by quite a bit.


Cheers,

Would suggest the 180CC kit from Joel, Race Concepts.. it is quite simply blazingly fast!! . For more info check out Rylan's thread on the same: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...-concepts.html

To view pics of the parts currently offered from RC's end: http://64.130.9.251/talkies/motorcyc...16-a-1329.html

the video (Sorry posting again for reference!! ): Race Concepts FZ - top speed run - YouTube

Would recommend to also change the front sprockets to 15T will increase the top end.

To contact Joel, you can mail him at: [email protected]

Cheers,

Have been riding FZ-X since last 9000 kms with the FFE and haven't been stopped even once by a cop. Mumbai cops are much more stricter in this regard. However, as the FFE looks are not very eye catching for them, they cannot differentiate between the stock and the real deal .

If you do see these guys, blip the clutch or else ride at under 4k revs that's all!!. Its worth all the fun you are going to have with the FFE and the way your FZ would fly past 90kmph in a matter of seconds..

Cheers,

Mileage Results after First service (Third filling)

Reserve to Reserve checking

ODO Reading: ~650 kms
Fuel poured: 3 litres
Trip Reading at Reserve: 144
Mileage: 144/3 = 48 km/l

Just surprised how mileage sprang up from 42km/l to 48 km/l

Petrol was filled at different fuel station and I also doubt if SVC guys poured any petrol (normally they take out petrol

Anyways will check out on fourth fill.

Riding style

Gear changing: 3.5-5k
Speed limit: 45-55 km/hr (sometimes kissing 60)
Traffic conditions: Mostly City Traffic

@shiv18, waiting for you to accept my friendship so that I don't bother this thread when I ask silly questions.

This morning when I started the bike, it started with just one touch and I revved @2-3k rpm for few seconds as you advised but after 30-40 seconds when I left the throttle, the engine stopped and after that it didn't start immediately. Did use kicker for 3 times when it didn't start with start button. I switched off the ignition for 30 seconds and after that it started.

The same scenario happened when I was returning from office to home. There was gap of 7 hours when I again started the bike in the evening after finishing my office work. Weather here is normal, it's not hot. And I drove only 6 kms this morning from home to office and couldn't go anywhere else.

Seeing the mileage and all I'm convinced but this problem still exists. What do you think?

sick FZ?

Dear All,
I own an FZ16. Despite the near universal praise heaped upon this bike for its low-end pickup, I have never found it impressive. My Twister was better. And so I assumed that this was the case with all FZs, until I rode a brand new bike (test ride at Vijayawada). I was deeply impressed with the composure and low end pickup. Unfortunately since the meters were disconnected, I could never ascertain the RPM nor the speed.

Since I do not have friends my age who ride an FZ (yes I am an "uncle"), will FZ owners please give their insights on my problems:

A. My bike's poor pickup is an exception. Until 2500 to 3000 RPM, the bike lags. I need to shift down and cross 3000 RPM to get useful pickup. Do you all ride this bike above 3000 rpm, and is that how it is meant to be ridden? (Lord of the streets and all that).

B. The chain and sprocket (driven sprocket as it is called) were changed recently and everytime I spin the rear tyre I get the impression it does not roll smoothly. Is this because of the substantial weight of the rear tyre or an adjustment issue?

I bought this bike used at 8000 KMS, 6 months after it was purchased. It is possible the original owner did not follow a careful run-in procedure, which might be the cause.

It should be obvious from my post that I never "rip" the bike nor speed. I have crossed 70 exactly once.

I would like to keep the bike, but everytime I get bogged down due to the lack of pickup, I promise myself it should be sold.

I get the bike serviced at Orion motors, Bangalore. They assure me it is perfect, that the pickup is marginally poorer as the bike ages.

The only other mechanic who is close by ( & whose opinion I respect) fixes Hayabusas and other 'smaller' bikes. I don't know him well enough to get him to take time to carefully view my bike.

So my question is:
A. Is my pickup issue common? Joel told me over phone that Yamahas lose compression over time. In this case my option would be to go for a bigger engine made by him.

B. Any good mechanics around Koramangala (Bangalore). Bangalore riders, please help. I was referred to Jagadish at Kathriguppe who apparently worked with a Formula 1 team, but I do not have the time to travel that far.

P.S: should I go for Karishma for pickup?

You can't compare different bikes and different exhausts unless you are only going to look at the finished product. Different engine characteristics mean different length header pipe, size, length of muffler etc etc. Its like looking at a RS4 and a Hyabusa exhaust (one side) Different sized end cans, header diameter, length etc.
I'm certain that Yoshimura have done their homework, along with Leo Vince.
These 2 companies have complete exhaust systems for the FZ but sadly in Luc and my case, these are made for the factory 153cc.
The whole system from header pipe to muffler is researched, designed and tested. The build quality of these are just awesome, No scratches, ugly welds, rough edges, Mirror finish on the header pipe and stainless sections of the muffler. I'm not putting down JJ's exhaust, just the choice of materials used. Why keep buying a product that will rust,knowing you will have to buy another to replace it or pay more money and loose time (how valuable is your time? $/hr??? I know mine is precious and I don't have time to keep replacing parts that have poor finish to them) repairing them.
Personally I prefer Stainless and Carbon over painted rusting mild steel.....

Luc, I'm running my carbon Yoshi without the DB Killer. I've still got the other exhaust system with the carbon Akro and stainless header pipe that Mr Khoa had made (for you) and I've still got the factory exhaust so that makes it 3 complete exhausts I've got at home. 2 spare and 1 in use.
I'm looking for a 250cc muffler to go on at a later date. The air "popping" out of my muffer at idle is very strong, Enough to blow your shirt around and your hair (if its long enough) Possibly too much backpressure and muffler is for a 150cc scooter, Not a 200cc 5sp bike.

1 alloy swingarm that I'm going to try and use again with bigger rear sprocket and I'll make a teflon chain guard and hope the custom chain doesn't cut it. I'll also have to grind down the bracket surrounding the shock so it doesn't foul against the chassis.

2 different types of rear disc brake conversion kits.

1 standard carb rejetted for the Yoshi + 1Mikuni TM28 carb. I'm going to install the TM28 and check if the response is more crisp with the flat slide Vs cylinder. Will need to get the TM28 tuned.
3 carbs in total. Keihin on the bike atm.

1BRT Dualband CDI that we found out are totally unsuitable for our bikes.
I'm getting the Ver2 CDI single 8pin from Mr Jackson, so I'll have 3 CDI's when I get home.

I also have some Racing rear sets/racing foot pegs with gear lever shifter and brake lever. Just not confident if they can handle my 100kg weight standing up on them and hitting a bump....I've got stainless bolts to replace the galvanized bolts the sets come with.

Spare 153cc engine cylinder, piston, factory head, Harys mystery "cam with corners", 2 engine bearings. I have enough spares to make a replacement factory top end .

Still got the ill fitting belly pan body kit and front fork covers. I was going to leave my bike with Josh but time got away from me and I had to go back to work.

I had emailed JJ regarding his high lift cam and after a long wait got a reply from him. He wanted US$100 per cam and US$25 postage.....I thought that was a little over the top. He was pushing me to buy more than 1 cam and the postage will get cheaper. I just left it at that.
I understand JJ is a budy man, and no doubt he gets emails/contacted by a lot of dreamers but perhaps its time he gets someone to answer the phone and despatch parts. I'm sure just with members in this forum he can afford to pay someone to do that job.

I'm going to try and put that mystery cam in get a feel for it.
If I buy JJ's cam then I'll have 3 of them.....
Seems to be a common theme with this bike...3 sets of parts
No wonder why my wife is telling me to just buy a big bike and be done with it Thinking of R6 or similar


Better off getting a machine shop to machine and insert a liner to suit a 66mm piston. That will give you the 200cc BUT you will need to make sure your piston is suitable, your gasket is suitable, compression ratio is streetable for the petrol u use, not to mention the countless other measurements needed to ensure the parts "play nicely together"
Not a matter of re-sleeving a cylinder and slapping in a new piston.
You will need to change carb + tune and get a new exhaust header + muffler. Not a cheap swap in any sense.

^^^ sorry, I am not comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing a stock R15 with TBR with a stock R15 with Joel's exhaust. It so happen that we were curious to see how it compares with the TBR, so we removed my FFE and put it on the another friend's stock bike for comparison.

new problem arise as my fz 53k in odo making chirrr sound as execs of non stop driving like today 80 km as the noise is coming form cam shaft chain any buddy knows whats happening to my bike??

Hi,

Bit difficult to suggest without knowing the service history. I would usually associate pick up problems with carb not being cleaned or faulty carb jets or may be the accelerator cable needing an adjustment/ replacement. However, if that is not the case then I guess get a compression test done at the SVC which will give you an idea about the health of the piston and the rings. Are you by any chance also witnessing drop in oil level after say riding for 200-400 kms since last service? Are the gears feeling very rough?

Get the chain slackness checked, if the chain is overtightened, it may effect free movement of the wheel. In your next service do make sure that both the front and rear wheel bearings are greased.

Cheers

I feel that the current ambient temperature at your place is very cold. Atleast all the pointers you are mentioning are making me suspect that the weather is culprit. Anyways, it is not a major headache. Start the bike with applying a little throttle. Once, the engine comes to life, apply a little throttle to keep the revs till 2000 for about 30-45 seconds. After that see if the engine shuts off. Next service change the engine oil to Motul Semi Synth 15W 50. I feel a thinner grade should help your ride to start easily. Also for the time being keep the idling at around 1800 once, your engine heats up fully following the same process. See if increasing the idling helps your ride start better. I feel you should start riding your bike close to 6 k revs now and modulate the throttle to let the engine open up better.

If you are certain after replacing all the stuff that I have suggested.. Then get the cam timing chain replaced. I still feel that it may not be the case. Check the condition of the front chain sprocket. Other senior riders may be in a better position to answer your query.

Cheers,

HAHAHA Nice troll bro!! Thumbs up!!

Help

Hi FZ owners.

Iam posting this on behalf of my friend, who has asked me to help him out, His bike feels very sluggish these days, its feels like a heavy loaded truck that's struggling to climb up a small hill. On releasing the accelerator the bike immediately slows down drastically, it feels like its jammed up.

On 5th gear the bike runs better buts its not the actual free feeling. What should he check out? Some mechanic has told him that the clutch plates need to be replaced.

Would also like to know what oil is best suited for this bike and also for the Fazer.

I own a zma -r , use Motul 3000 20w40, and the results are really superb. similarly what's you recommendation for Fz and Fazer ?

Thanks SHV for these links: I did not know about the "FZ steroids " thread (!!!), and had missed the replies that followed your post in the earlier page (1329) of present thread.

Alas, and that is really the problem with busy-Joel: you will notice that he did not bother replying to ANY of the questions I asked: about a stainless steel version, about heat insulation, and about the time it will (would, might, ought to, could eventually etc....etc...) take for the further development he announced...!

He just replied to a comment I posted on Youtube (the one you showed again), though, as I was puzzled by the speed attained with, he said, the stock CDI: 135kmh is a lot, and the rev-meter will have gone up to 9,500 rpm....which it did and Joel confirmed that the CDI allows up to these revs. (FYI).

Would surely rather go for THAT camshaft than the "unidentifiable bumpy object" mystery cam as you call it we got from our genius Haryono/ automotivespartsshop!!!

Look at the difference in finishing:



Well, I do not have 3 of each single item - although I might have more exhausts than that in the end... - lets talk about that privately!), excepted alas the useless parts we both have, but quite a few double since I have kept all the stock parts. Not sure they will ever go back onto my bike, though...