OK, the bike in question might not be the same as the one being discussed on this thread but the post certainly is not OT.

I bought my bike, a Pulsar 220, about 3 years back. As you can see from my join date, I was a new joinee back then and had just learnt about the Motoman method. I didn't buy it completely back then and not wanting to ruin the engine of my brand new bike, I decided to apply it, but only partially.

So, I took it slow, as per maufacturer recommendations, BUT, I dumped the oil from factory within 60km. And true to what Motoman had said, it was full of metal filings and shavings. Since there is no real replaceable oil-filter on a Pulsar, I could easily see most of it in the container in which the oil was drained. So I refilled it with the cheapest mineral oil of the correct grade on the market and went about following 'soft' run-in as mentioned in the manual. Around 250ish km, I changed the oil again, but this time, I could see comparatively lesser metal shavings as compared to earlier. No further oil changes till first service (500km-750km) which I deliberately delayed till 700+. After 1st service, I started riding it normally, just not redlining. All the way till the end of 2k km running in period.

Q.: Now, how much extra did this cost me?
A.: Around Rs.300 back in 2009

Q.: What did I gain?
A.: I wrote the following last night
Those FEs are for a bike which pumps 1.5 times the power of a Yamaha FZ.

Q.: Do I recommend it?
A.: Very much so! In fact, I will surely do this with my next bike too.

Guys is there any link to download digital version of FZ-S user manual(not service manual) ??

Thanks in advance

http://bv000245.ferozo.com/despieces...D2(patada).pdf

How Does IT Help

How does the fazer helps over fz with the fairing while riding inside city?

Is fazer good for city ride like cut the traffic, quick turns etc?


I ride a dio(100cc). If am going for a bike for city ride below 200cc is better for me.

FZ is much better in cutting traffic,quick turns..but for a bit of highway fun,fazer is better.Though I use Fazer,u might find the mirrors a bit problematic while cutting through traffic..they look damn good,but there is this problem.Not a great issue,though! I love my Fazer.

Proud to an xBhpian

Guys BTW how is the stickering mod???

I agree with SpeedyKol excepted about the "quick" turn: the turning radius of both Fazer and Fz is the same: satellitar !!! (mind: these are sport bikes, basically). Besides the mirrors, giving much better rear view than those of FZ, but also being much wider hence problematic, I will add that the attention one pays to not damaging that lovely fairing which gives so much appeal, IMHO, to the Fazer compared to the "naked" FZ, is also a handicap in city riding. In the other hand, this fairing is really remarkable, and does work extremely well with side wind, and also makes long rides less tiring as it protects from the full blast of the wind on the chest (not on the head, though ... ).
The difference in price between these two models, however, appears to me exaggerated!

Hello everyone.. hope all of you are doing great..

I'm back to the forum with some more troubles that I'm facing with my Fazer and looking for some help and guidance.

Last week I gave my bike for regular servicing. There was no specific issue as such, but it had been > 3K kms since the last oil change and I wanted to get the basic bike overhauling done.

When I got the bike back, it felt a little rough to ride, unlike the usual case when the bike is butter smooth after an oil change. I was in a hurry at that time and it as looking like it would rain so, I rushed up to the office without paying much attention. Later in the evening, when I was riding back home, it felt noisier and felt some strong vibrations on higher rpms.

I could sense that this time it hasnt been serviced properly. The next morning, when I took it out, I noticed a peculiar sound coming around the engine area, as if something was rubbing/pushing/hitting against the wheel or some moving object. The sound was periodic like a feeble "thak thak" and was noticed only while I accelerate. If the bike is rolling without being accelerated, it wasnt there at all.

I thought it must be either the chain which got some play or something stuck closer to the wheel. I checked for both but couldn't find anything. Also, the sound reduced as the bike ran for a few kms. After running for 10-15 mins, it was gone completely. The roughness, engine vibrations and other noise was still there.

I took it to the SVC again, and asked the mechanic to check, but as the thak thak sound was not there anymore, he couldnt diagnose anything. For the engine vibrations, he said that some thing is wrong with the block or something.. and he would need to open the engine and replace something to fix it. I was disappointed and argued that none of this was there when I brought the bike for servicing and its only after that all these problems have come up.
He assured me that nothing is wrong with the bike or engine, certain components need to be tightened and it would be fine.

Unfortunately, I was already late to get an appointment for that day at SVC and if had left the bike there I woudl have got it the next day. The mechanic told me to bring the bike next day and ride it without any worries. That evening once again, as I started the bike and moved for home, that "thak thak" sound was audible.. this sound is not a proper hitting sound, its more of something rubbing against some metal part.. and the frequency increases as the acceleration increases, no acceleration, no sound at all. Another thing that I noticed was the engine turned off when the clutch was pressed after rolling for a while. On traffic signals or jams, whenever I used to press the clutch without rolling the accelerator, the bike turned off on its own. I thought about increasing the idle rpm, but it doesn't turn off when I just start it and leave it in neutral, or in gear with the clutch pressed. Its only when the bike is rolling and I press the clutch without accelerating, it dies.

The sound was prominent the next morning too, and vanished by the time I reached SVC again, but this time i left the bike at the SVC and asked the mechanic to check every part of it and ensure that there are no sounds, noise or vibrations.

He took two days to finish up the work. I got my bike again yesterday, and the mechanic said that he had opened up the engine assembly and reseated all parts firmly and there would be no vibrations anymore. I took the bike for a ride, the engine was smoother than earlier, but not the same as it used to be, there were no vibrations as such, but the ride still feels rough. As the "thak thak" sound wasnt there, I took the bike back. They didnt charge me for the service this time.

But today in the morning, the sound came up again..and the bike still goes dead on pressing the clutch for a while while the bike is still moving.

I am completely lost now. I can go back to the SVC again, but I dont see a point going back and stating the same thing which the mechanic clearly doesnt understand. I dont know any other reliable mechanic towards the western suburbs in Mumbai who can help me with this.

The bike has done almost 23K kms have been serviced regularly. Earlier, I used to ride it on speeds >80kmph quiet often but for past 5-7K kms it has been doing 50-55kmph at an avg as the roads are quite busy at this side of the city.

Can you experts please help me identifying the cause for the issues and get a proper fix for it?

Hi,

I am just speculating:

1) Check the condition of the sprockets and the chain tension.
2) If the engine is very very rough then do check the level of the engine oil.. also which brand of oil was put in?? any clue on that??
3) Have they checked the Valve clearances as per the yamaha service manual??
4) Are there any other alternative SVC around your area where you can troubleshoot the problem??

Besides the above, i really don't see any other reason for such a sudden change of character of your ride.

Cheers,

@Lucky Luke: I meant that only.Sorry.Love my Fazer's mirrors.Even R15's mirrors don't look so good IMO.

Asking a question to all: I am gonna order Joel's FFE next week...now a friend just told me that only FFE spoils the engine in the long run,if the headwork and big bore are not installed.Is this true? I wanna keep my ride for a long long time,hence I am worried.A little info from Joel's FFE owners would really help me a lot.Plz mention since when ur using the FFE.

As far as my conversation with Joel and the overall ownership experience with the Race Concepts FFE for FZ/Fazer for over 10,000 kms now... i feel it is a ridiculous notion tht it ruins the engine. Such thing happens only when due to FFE the AFR leans out and as a result the engine is running lean and over a period of time overheats and seizes to function. In Joel's FFE case, it is a plug and play system and doesnot require any upjetting or rejetting of the carb. Please please Please.. read out all the detailed experiences posted on this thread before putting forward an enquiry.. i have done a detailed write up for the same on this thread.

The Stock Mid ship muffler has been designed to give out the best low end grunt one can witness.. however the same system generates a lot of back pressure when one is gunning the ride.. which will eventually reduce the life of the engine..

My gen of FFE, the only complaint is that it is catching a bit of rust. And Joel had admitted that my batch of FFEs, the electro chrome plating was not done correctly. Anyways, it is not a major headache.. a small visit to a local plating shop in Mumbai will take care of it... will get it done post monsoon.


Cheers,

Thanks shv18.I had gone through all the posts previously.Still I got a bit scared,because I didn't wanna screw up engine.FFE means "free flow",so I was wondering how can it possibly screw up the engine?
Now my friend is saying that his friend used a local FFE which screwed up his ride.Sorry guys.my bad! Thanks for the clarification.

More upcoming mods in the pipeline: (Please feel free to comment)
1.Angel eye+Projector setup
2.Rear disc brake assembly (as done by LuckyLuke)
3.LED tail-lamp
4.LED indicators (need a custom-made e-flasher for that!)

Is it possible/advisable to chrome plate the brake levers (hand & foot)?

Time to stop listening to that friend....
Perhaps you misinterpreted his words.
When the FFE is used inconjunction with airfilter, headwork, big bore, carb tune, (possibly) CDI then it will be the most beneficial. Though look at the thousands if not millions of bikes (and cars) that only have sports exhausts. In particular you can get slip-on mufflers or the entire header pipe/s and muffler to suit various bikes out on the market.


Every car, bike, truck, infact any internal combustion engine out there all have backpressure, Infact backpressure can be beneficial in helping scavenge exhaust gasses out of the exhaust header pipes (Low pressure - High pressure) providing you have bought or designed and fabricated tuned length extractors/headers.
Unless you are dealing with forced induction (turbo, supercharged) then you don't need backpressure (Unless you use it to control boost in extreme cases)

If anything having excessive backpressure can be limiting to your HP output but I wouldn't be as bold as to say it will reduce the life of the engine, there are too many factors out there that play their parts.

There is so much hearsay and myths being posted as truths it is almost impossible to know what is fact and fiction. Someday people will take the wrong piece of advice and it will cost them dearly.

anyone has any idea whether we can change or repair the drum of the rear wheel or not? my rear wheel was making strange noises after changing the liner so got it checked from a mechanic he said the drum is busted and so the whole wheel needs to be changed..... last time he took out the liner sanded it and put it back and the noise as well as the brake bite was gone but now the noise has resurfaced.... any ideas??