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**RTRab** · 05-03-2022, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Ratan Prabhu View Post

1.80L for a used bike makes no sense when the brand new one can be bought for 2.20L (on road Mumbai) even if the used bike is a year old and less ridden.

Also, if your usage is mainly city, then u should consider sticking to your Apache bs6 as it is not even 2 yrs old.

CBR250R/Gixxer250 are bikes that can do ok in city but real fun is on the highways at 5k+ RPMs

Thanks Ratan, I also think that the price quoted is too much. My need of a bike is majorly in the city with a few highway rides, the RTR thrives in these conditions and gives me a mileage of 50-52 kmpl. I can imagine that the running costs of a 250cc will be far more. Maybe I can wait to see if Honda is to introduce a CBR this year (fingers crossed)

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I do miss the power on the highway Ratan, the only place where the RTR feels out of place man, otherwise its a gem.

**RTRab** · 05-03-2022, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

A look at the CBR250 and their ownership experience is available here in Xbhp. Take time to Go through it . An LC is always better in Engine heat management than an oil cooled one. If the engine temperature and the inside moving parts are stabilized better in hot condition , then it's life and performance under heat stress conditions will be better than an oil cooled one. Every time the Oil cooled engine Becomes Hot and the Oil has to do the cooling , it takes a toll on the oil property over time , and ultimately on the engine.
An LC engine oil change can be after a longer Kms traveled than an Oil cooled one. People have changed CBR engine oil at 6,000 Kms to sometimes 8,000 Kms , and the engine had survived. So now it is a question of one's preference , rides likely to be done,and what it costs the pocket .

Thanks for the advice psr, I will do that, I was also inclined to the CBR because of the long service haul and liquid cooled engine.
I must say these two bikes create a very tempting confusion

. But something tells me that Honda CBR is the one. I wonder ..

**siddhant** · 05-06-2022, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by RTRab View Post

Thanks for the advice psr, I will do that, I was also inclined to the CBR because of the long service haul and liquid cooled engine.
I must say these two bikes create a very tempting confusion

. But something tells me that Honda CBR is the one. I wonder ..

Recently, I did a 1450 km trip on my CBR over 3 days in this sweltering heat. The engine performed flawlessly even when I was riding at 90+ kph during the afternoon at around 44-45 C. In fact, I was more worried about the tyres than the engine. The Gixxer SF 250 certainly seems like a good bike but the CBR is a tested and proven performer in all conditions - peak summer or freezing Ladakh rides. When maintained properly, it'll serve you for years without hassles.

One more thing, with the Apache RTR, you would never have the same itch to do long rides as you'd have once you get a CBR.

**Seamus** · 05-07-2022, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by RTRab View Post

Thanks for the advice psr, I will do that, I was also inclined to the CBR because of the long service haul and liquid cooled engine.
I must say these two bikes create a very tempting confusion

. But something tells me that Honda CBR is the one. I wonder ..

CBR 250 looks better IMO, Also you should get good condition CBR 250 (ABS) less run for reasonable price of 65000.

Most importantly CBR is DOHC and Suzuki is SOHC,

inspite of on paper power being the same,there is huge difference how the power is delivered.

It's More prominent when you are driving with Pillion and the pickup or the pull is not bogged down much as compared to other bike.

**RTRab** · 05-08-2022, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by siddhant View Post

Recently, I did a 1450 km trip on my CBR over 3 days in this sweltering heat. The engine performed flawlessly even when I was riding at 90+ kph during the afternoon at around 44-45 C. In fact, I was more worried about the tyres than the engine. The Gixxer SF 250 certainly seems like a good bike but the CBR is a tested and proven performer in all conditions - peak summer or freezing Ladakh rides. When maintained properly, it'll serve you for years without hassles.

One more thing, with the Apache RTR, you would never have the same itch to do long rides as you'd have once you get a CBR.

Hi Siddhant, that's exactly the reason that I want the Honda CBR 250R, that smooth engine and thr itch to do long rides and the hassle free nature of Honda.
My only fear of CBR is the lack of spares and quality of service by Honda.
I would be really grateful if CBR owners in hyderabad can share some of thier ownership experiences on the same.

**RTRab** · 05-08-2022, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Seamus View Post

CBR 250 looks better IMO, Also you should get good condition CBR 250 (ABS) less run for reasonable price of 65000.

Most importantly CBR is DOHC and Suzuki is SOHC,

inspite of on paper power being the same,there is huge difference how the power is delivered.

It's More prominent when you are driving with Pillion and the pickup or the pull is not bogged down much as compared to other bike.

Hi Seamus, I think that both Suzuki and Honda are equally good 250s but my honest opinion is also of that Honda is the better one. Not from the race or performance point of view but when i look at the service intervals and feel the way the engine goes and sounds, it feels Honda, bulletproof. I'm sure Suzuki is good too, but very much like you I too prefer Honda.
I'm really hoping to find a good deal on an ABS model in Hyderabad.

**RTRab** · 05-12-2022, 02:05 AM

Fellow xbhpians,
Thanks a lot of all of the suggestions for my previous posts. I could really use some help from you all again. I found 2011 make CBR 250 ABS for 75k, it has done 32000 kms. I plan to visit and look at the bike this weekend. Can you all suggest any tips on examining the bike, I know it's a Honda but it's 10yrs old so not sure of what apart from the usual should I be looking at.
Also B7ackthorn sir, based on your suggestion, I went with my dad to check out a suzuki gixxer sf 250, man, it was vibrating so much at idle for a bike that had done only 1703 kms, I've driven a rented Honda CBR having done 40k kms with plastics loose to be smoother.
I realized that I can live with fact that Honda spares maybe an issue but then the bike seems so worth the wait.

Thanks in advance folks.

**Madhesh Kumar** · 05-12-2022, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Ratan Prabhu View Post

Apollo Alpha H1 does not come in 140/70 size sadly. However, the 150/60 works fine on the CBR although I personally recommend sticking to stock tyre size. So in 140/70 size, there are not many options if you want radial.
Michelin Pilot Street Radial 140/70 is a perfect choice but very rare to find due to import ban on it.

Masseter is good. 12K+ kms still have decent grooves and grip in it. One of the cheap and best options, never went out of control while hard braking.
I think it will last minimum 18K when drove in good roads.

**Ratan Prabhu** · 05-12-2022, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by RTRab View Post

I found 2011 make CBR 250 ABS for 75k, it has done 32000 kms. I plan to visit and look at the bike this weekend. Can you all suggest any tips on examining the bike, I know it's a Honda but it's 10yrs old so not sure of what apart from the usual should I be looking at.

11 year old CBR250R ABS with 32k on odo assuming well maintained shouldn't cost more than 70k tops. 60-65k would have been a good deal.

Take a proper test ride, ride at various RPMs. Check if the vibrations are normal.
Get it checked at the nearest Honda ASC.
Ask for service history from the owner.
Make sure there is no engine oil or coolant leakage evident.

Condition of tyres and brake pads will help you bargain and will give you a fair idea on how much you will have to spend soon. Because a new pair of tyres will cost you minimum 7k and set of CABS brake pads will cost you 3.5k

**Ratan Prabhu** · 05-13-2022, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Madhesh Kumar View Post

Masseter is good. 12K+ kms still have decent grooves and grip in it. One of the cheap and best options, never went out of control while hard braking.
I think it will last minimum 18K when drove in good roads.

Yes there are options present in bias. I was talking about radials where there are none except Michelin PSR which itself is not easily available either.

**Seamus** · 05-16-2022, 03:42 AM

Ratan Prabhu Totally agree with you. Its too expensive for 11 year old CBR.

RTRab I personally got myself 2015 ABS 9000 on ODO for 60,000.

I personally feel 7 year old Bike at 60-70k for ABS is fair valuation.

75k Deal is rubbish for 11 year old.

**RTRab** · 05-16-2022, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Ratan Prabhu View Post

11 year old CBR250R ABS with 32k on odo assuming well maintained shouldn't cost more than 70k tops. 60-65k would have been a good deal.

Take a proper test ride, ride at various RPMs. Check if the vibrations are normal.
Get it checked at the nearest Honda ASC.
Ask for service history from the owner.
Make sure there is no engine oil or coolant leakage evident.

Condition of tyres and brake pads will help you bargain and will give you a fair idea on how much you will have to spend soon. Because a new pair of tyres will cost you minimum 7k and set of CABS brake pads will cost you 3.5k

Hi Ratan, thanks for the suggestion man. I am planning to visit for the cbr sometime this week.
Most of the recent models I see here on olx or bikes4sale are Non ABS ones and I'm not so keen on them given our Indian roads.
Still I'll continue checking, from what I've heard, it's best to take time and search for a good model with ABS.

**RTRab** · 05-16-2022, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Seamus View Post

Ratan Prabhu Totally agree with you. Its too expensive for 11 year old CBR.

RTRab I personally got myself 2015 ABS 9000 on ODO for 60,000.

I personally feel 7 year old Bike at 60-70k for ABS is fair valuation.

75k Deal is rubbish for 11 year old.

Hi Seamus, thanks a lot man, I also feel that. Given it's a 2011 model, it will be up for fitness soon and that also reduces resale value.
I look forward to more suggestions and advice from fellow xbhpians

**siddhant** · 05-17-2022, 01:44 PM

Hi guys, recently my bike breached the 25000 km mark and is due for a service soon. What all tasks should I get done at this juncture, apart from the regular fluid changes? There are no major issues currently but preventive maintenance always helps.

**B7ACKTHORN** · 05-17-2022, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by siddhant View Post

Hi guys, recently my bike breached the 25000 km mark and is due for a service soon. What all tasks should I get done at this juncture, apart from the regular fluid changes? There are no major issues currently but preventive maintenance always helps.

Well, apart from engine oil, oil filter, fuel filter, air filter replacement; it's advisable to check your steering for free movement left and right, check the life of brake pads, chain kit (lube and slacken to the right spec if necessary. And importantly, make sure your control cables i.e. clutch and throttle cables and free and not sticking, grabbing should be smooth. If you observe kinking or binding, replace them without a second thought.

If you have an ABS model, it's advisable to flush and rebleed your braking system with DOT 4 brake fluid, helps prolong the life of ABS Unit and life of braking parts. And lastly, wheels, make sure your wheels rotate freely without any binding or grabbing motion, observe your tires for sidewall, surface area cracks, nicks and or any lodged foreign objects (you could find a potential pucnture). And as a general rule, grease/lube, external hinge points so that they make things smoother overall.

Good luck.

Cheers!
VJ

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