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**MotoBlizzard** · 05-07-2017, 07:33 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post

lol no...who uses the rear to deliberately slip and slide under brakes (as if entering hard on the corners under hard braking) on the public roads anyway dude ? xD not me anyway..attempting such things as an amateur are only for the race tracks, and better done with slicks anyway..

sometimes i slide it around just a bit under slight throttle while negotiating potholes and undulations over slippery or uneven/patchy surfaces, or coming out of corners (which is not any feat really given that i find the rear tyre doesn't provide a whole lot of grip when tilted out its central portion) if opportunity presents (road totally empty etc) which is rare...using rear brakes on such instances would negate the intended purpose.

anyways, bikes like R15 which are front end focused dont require the rear brakes much anyway...i use it mostly when i am on slippery surfaces or broken roads to stabilise the bike when braking, and sometimes under sudden hard braking, and sometimes if i am and my right arm is tired of using the front brake solely..i am surprised everyone else's rear pads dont last that long in a bike that doesnt require rear brake that much, even if one uses it every time for better stabilisation.

A1 riding style! *brofist*

Finally someone who knows how to use the rear brake!

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Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post

What is the model number of factory fitted spark plugs on a r15 v2 ?

Part no. 94703-00883
Model: https://www.ngk.com/product.aspx?zpid=9669

**aditya_YZF-R15** · 05-07-2017, 07:54 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

A1 riding style! *brofist*

Finally someone who knows how to use the rear brake!

brofist

but i don't think it's anything special though haha.

**MotoBlizzard** · 05-07-2017, 08:09 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post

brofist

but i don't think it's anything special though haha.

In India it IS special! Since there are no proper Motorcycle schools here, people follow the age old tradition of braking with rear brakes. I bet if you give them an S1KRR, they will still try to brake with teh rear.

**aditya_YZF-R15** · 05-07-2017, 09:08 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

In India it IS special! Since there are no proper Motorcycle schools here, people follow the age old tradition of braking with rear brakes. I bet if you give them an S1KRR, they will still try to brake with teh rear.

true, most regular people still try to primarily use the rear brakes to stop their R15s, RCs, CBRs etc..when i used to visit the SVC during my bike's first year often i'd hear people talking about braking the rear and complaining about not finding much grip or using up the rear pads too soon etc..

however, among the more "learned" (:P) riders present in this forum, i think most know about it and use the front primarily in these kinda bikes..

**black asp** · 05-08-2017, 12:16 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by Midhun.akd View Post

Its rear disk pad... 2 variety.. @black asp

NO genuine rear pad of R15 costs 690 bucks.
there is one that costs 1000 bucks and another that costs 900 something but no 600 buck rear pads.

CHEERS

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Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

In India it IS special! Since there are no proper Motorcycle schools here, people follow the age old tradition of braking with rear brakes. I bet if you give them an S1KRR, they will still try to brake with teh rear.

Yeah got it you guys are the learned type of bikers but there is absolutely no need to be so high handed and criticizing "people". Ok if you criticize them what about the guys that abound in this forum who treat this puny bike as a race bike and treat the roads as a race track?? Why not talk about them a bit?? I regularly hear "BRO race bike bro", "BRO Deltabox BRO","BRO front end feedback BRO", "BRO high performance bro" from many so called educated bikers who have not done a single km in track and ride like nutjobs in the street. I never come here and rant about how moronic they sound.
Its his choice he can use rear front or no brakes as long as he doesn't hamper you. Yeah hate them but no need to sound gruff group them and indulge into a proxy racist war of words over an online forum.

CHEERS

**MotoBlizzard** · 05-08-2017, 09:19 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by black asp View Post

Yeah got it you guys are the learned type of bikers but there is absolutely no need to be so high handed and criticizing "people". Ok if you criticize them what about the guys that abound in this forum who treat this puny bike as a race bike and treat the roads as a race track?? Why not talk about them a bit?? I regularly hear "BRO race bike bro", "BRO Deltabox BRO","BRO front end feedback BRO", "BRO high performance bro" from many so called educated bikers who have not done a single km in track and ride like nutjobs in the street. I never come here and rant about how moronic they sound.
Its his choice he can use rear front or no brakes as long as he doesn't hamper you. Yeah hate them but no need to sound gruff group them and indulge into a proxy racist war of words over an online forum.

CHEERS

1. Dont quote me if you are going to talk out of your arse.
2. Its important to criticize people on the way they ride otherwise they will never learn. Since joining this forum I have told atleast 5 people not to use their Rear brakes for stopping. Unlike you they never made an immature rant scene and accepted the advice.
3. I am pretty sure no one uses the term "BRO" as you have mentioned simply because its against forum policy to use that kind of language.
4. My advice to you is, take a chill pill and dont quote someone unless they mentioned/quoted you or your reply is going to be irrelevant such as the one you gave me.

P.S: I was talking to aditya_YZF-R15, you had no business interfering.

Also did you even proof-read what you said? Take a minute and review your own comment. "its his choice he can use rear front or no brakes as long as he doesn't hamper you"
Actually YES, he can "hamper" me if someday he happens to show up in front of me and slams on his rear brakes for whatever reason, causing his rear wheel to lock up and him crashing in front of me due to loss of balance. Him crashing can throw off my balance as well, you can never tell. So dont try to jump to conclusions without proper situational assessment and knowledge.

TL;DR, if you think its ok for someone to use rear brakes for "stopping", then you should be no where close to a motorcycle.

**black asp** · 05-08-2017, 09:44 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Yeah fine I had no business interfering but you also had no right generalizing Indians and saying people follow xyz coz they don't have any biking schools.
BTW I have seen enough of the nutjobs who ride like the manner you discussed all suited up with expensive gears and stuff on roads. Why not shed light on that part too and say something about them?
I never said rear brake will stop a bike to a halt. Ridden enough one to know that . I just said stop generalizing people in India based on your flawed logic.
No where near a motorcycle.
Lol
At least i have ridden enough kms to justify my thoughts.
And regarding you not mentioning me and I jumping in midst of your holy sermon.
I have been a regular contributor to this thread for long and hence said. I didn't barge into your exclusive thread and say something.

**aditya_YZF-R15** · 05-08-2017, 11:14 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

blackasp, with all due respect (and i really mean that since i/we know you have a lot of useful and non-mainstream knowledge about bikes from which many of us less experienced and informed riders have learnt many things and you are one of the only very few highly experienced and knowledgeable riders who are still active here) :

1 - i am sure there was nothing "racist" or discriminatory about what motoblizzard said about most people not knowing not to rely primarily on rear brakes on front focused bikes, nor is it that much of an unfair or inaccurate generalization...that just seems to be a fact based on observation that i am sure many will agree on, and sometimes some facts are hard to accept...i have heard people in SVC complaining about not finding any grip on rear brakes and sometimes almost facing accidents because of it, and i am sure many people have met or overheard many people talking proudly or confusingly/distressingly about their unrealised ill-riding habits..two times their complains and stories were so disturbing to me i actually had to interfere them and tell them respectfully and politely about their wrong ways which puts them and the lives of others around at risk...criticism (on self as well as on others well intentionally) is an important aspect of our lives, particularly when it's well intended and important for safety purposes, it's a way of teaching and awareness...we have seen you critisizing others as well sometimes on their wrong or harmful notions or something about their bike, but none of us immediately assumed it to be some high handedness (even though once or twice it seemed to be so to me, and you never know when your simple criticism and the consequent stark instruction could appear as high handed "bourgeois" to someone else) but simply as you instructing other less informed riders of the correct ways..

2 - yes you didn't explicitly say that rear will stop a bike but you did say we shouldn't bother if someone else is using front or rear or even no brakes as long as it's not hampering us...sorry but that's plain unacceptable and a very wrong notion...knowing how to brake properly or which brakes to use in which circumstance is perhaps the most important part of riding a bike, and not having a simple sense or skills for such things puts the rider's life as well those around him at risk....on the roads, no one is just by their own selves, road safety is a collective responsibility and yes therefore others' braking (and riding) habits are also my business since i might be around them in a wrong place at a wrong time and so might other people...a simple example was already provided by motoblizzard...

3 - i think by the riding school remark that triggered you, you imagined some bourgeois high-end costly riding school meant for those interested in racing or those who have a lot of money for time pass or show-off or something, but i think motoblizzard simply meant basic riding schools, similar to the basic car driving schools that exist a plenty in every towns and cities in our country...these schools are not for racing enthusiasts or whatever, these schools should exist just for teaching people a few basic riding habits etc...nothing high handed about it...many other countries have these basic riding schools that teach about road safety and road riding skills, and not racing or anything high end or showy like that, and yes it's unfortunate India doesnt yet have many (or any?) of these basic riding schools.. of course with too many people in here any number of such schools will be insufficient and most people wouldn't give a shit anyways, much as is the case with car driving schools which have somehow still nonetheless managed to thrive.

4 - none of us here (in xbhp) pretend to be racers on public roads..i am sure in your several years time in this forum you've seen many examples when some new user came in bragging about his street racing or whatever and everyone collectively condemned his attitude (some harshly, some politely) and either requested him to change his ways or at least not brag about it in the forum lest it inspired someone else or to simply get out of the forum...i have seen you too many times indirectly or directly mentioning about kitted up riders riding like nutjobs but i dont know if you've seen more of those types on the road or more of those who are neither kitted up nor properly skilled and yet still ride like nutjobs (often with a pillon) on the roads...i have seen more of the latter..but yes the former type also exists..

5 - talking about a topic X doesn't oblige one to also address a topic Y or Z or everything else related or unrelated unless these other topics come up during the course of a conversation...the topic was simply of rear braking and hence motoblizzard just said something specific about it...if the topic had been of kitted riders thinking public roads are their race tracks or if that topic had come up between he and I, i assume he'd have addressed and opined on it too...now that you have urged him twice to opine on such type of riders, i am sure he will oblige you soon..

6 - lastly, please don't use the word "racist" so casually unless you're absolutely sure of its purpose, it's a serious word and allegation...there was nothing race related in any of anyone's posts..even if you meant it to mean not necessarily racism related, which i assume is the case, but just generally discriminatory (that's how these days most people use this word), please see my point 1.. there was no unfairly discriminatory remark intended anywhere, just a simple observation based realistic generalization was presented on an important matter and sometimes, even if they might appear a bit unfair, it is necessary to point out the harsh realities...there was no hidden racist/discriminatory proxy war of words or anything lol...now less chilled/tolerating people on this forum might take serious offense to using such heavy words so casually, but i am, and hopefully motoblizzard guy and most others here are chilled out and do not take every little thing so seriously or unnecessarily dig deep to find any possible offense that was hardly even there if at all, which i would also respectfully ask of you.

7 - also, the least serious of all points, not necessarily important or directly related to your post, puny bikes also can be used as race bikes on the tracks, nothing incompatible between puny bikes and racing...plenty of puny bike championships exist around the world..hell, in some south east asian countries they have scooty/scooter racing championships as well. lol :P

apologies for the post being so long

**black asp** · 05-08-2017, 11:21 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post

blackasp, with all due respect (and i really mean that since i/we know you have a lot of useful and non-mainstream knowledge about bikes from which many of us less experienced and informed riders have learnt many things and you are one of the only very few highly experienced and knowledgeable riders who are still active here) :

1 - i am sure there was nothing "racist" or discriminatory about what motoblizzard said about most people not knowing not to rely primarily on rear brakes on front focused bikes, nor is it that much of an unfair or inaccurate generalization...that's just seems to be a fact based on observation that i am sure many will agree on, and sometimes some facts are hard to accept...i have heard people in SVC complaining about not finding any grip on rear brakes and sometimes almost facing accidents because of it, and i am sure many people have met or overheard many people talking proudly or confusingly/distressingly about their unrealised ill-riding habits..two times their complains and stories were so disturbing to me i actually had to interfere them and tell them respectfully and politely about their wrong ways which puts them and the lives of others around at risk...critisizing is an important aspect of our lives, particularly when it's well intended and important for safety purposes, it's a way of teaching and awareness...we have seen you critisizing others as well sometimes on their wrong or harmful notions or something about their bike, but none of us immediately assumed it to be some high handedness (even though once or twice it seemed to be so to me, and you never know when your simple criticism and the consequent stark instruction could appear as high handed "bourgeois" to someone else) but simply as you instructing other less informed riders of the correct ways..

2 - yes you didn't explicitly say that rear will stop a bike but you did say we shouldn't bother if someone else is using front or rear or even no brakes as long as it's not hampering us...sorry but that's plain unacceptable and a very wrong notion...knowing how to brake properly or which brakes to use in which circumstance is perhaps the most important part of riding a bike, and not having a simple sense or skills for such things puts the rider's life as well those around him at risk....on the roads, no one is just by their own selves, road safety is a collective responsibility and yes therefore others' braking (and riding) habits are also my business since i might be around them in a wrong place at a wrong time and so might other people...a simple example was already provided by motoblizzard...

3 - i think by the riding school remark that triggered you, you imagined some bourgeois high-end costly riding school meant for those interested in racing or those who have a lot of money for time pass or show-off or something, but i think motoblizzard simply meant basic riding schools, similar to the basic car driving schools that exist a plenty in every towns and cities in our country...these schools are not for racing enthusiasts or whatever, these schools should exist just for teaching people a few basic riding habits etc...nothing high handed about it...many other countries have these basic riding schools that teach about road safety and road riding skills, and not racing or anything high end or showy like that, and yes it's unfortunate India doesnt yet have many (or any?) of these basic riding schools.. of course with too many people in here any number of such schools will be insufficient and most people wouldn't give a shit anyways, much as is the case with car driving schools which have somehow still nonetheless managed to thrive.

4 - none of us here (in xbhp) pretend to be racers on public roads..i am sure in your several years time in this forum you've seen many examples when some new user came in bragging about his street racing or whatever and everyone collectively condemned his attitude (some harshly, some politely) and either requested him to change his ways or at least not brag about it in the forum lest it inspired someone else or to simply get out of the forum...i have seen you too many times indirectly or directly mentioning about kitted up riders riding like nutjobs but i dont know if you've seen more of those types on the road or more of those who are neither kitted up nor properly skilled and yet still ride like nutjobs (often with a pillon) on the roads...i have seen more of the latter..but yes the former type also exists..

5 - talking about a topic X doesn't oblige one to also address a topic Y or Z or everything else related or unrelated unless these other topics come up during the course of a conversation...the topic was simply of rare braking and hence motoblizzard was just talking about it...if the topic had been of kitted riders thinking public roads are their race tracks, i assume he'd have addressed and opined on it too...now that you have urged him twice to opine on such type of riders, i am sure he will oblige you soon..

6 - lastly, please don't use the word "racist" so casually unless you're absolutely sure of its purpose, it's a serious word and allegation...there was nothing race related in any of anyone's posts..even if you meant it to mean not necessarily racism related, which i assume is the case, but just generally discriminatory (that's how these days most people use this word), please see my point 1. there was no unfairly discriminatory remark intended anywhere, just a simple observation based realistic generalization was presented on an important matter and sometimes, even if they might appear a bit unfair, it is necessary to point it out the harsh realities...there was no hidden racist/discriminatory proxy war of words or anything lol...now less chilled and considerate people on this forum might take serious offense to using such heavy words so casually, but most of us are chilled out and do not take every little thing so seriously or unnecessarily dig deep to find any possible offense that was hardly even there if at all, which i would also respectfully ask of you.

apologies for the post being so long

None. What triggered me was the Indian remarks.
I rebuke only when things get absurd and illogical like somebody saying it's fine to red line a bike during run in.
If you are being a social well wisher and so want others to ride properly then please show the other aspect of biking too which i mentioned.
BTW I didn't take any offence. I have been interacting with you since last 4 years in this thread.
Whatever you said was fine and good. That's why I didn't mention you.
Don't generalise Indians as being bad riders. The internet is filled with squids all over the world.

CHEERS

**hatebreeder** · 05-09-2017, 09:28 AM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Wow! you can cut the tension here with a knife!

**aditya_YZF-R15** · 05-09-2017, 04:12 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by hatebreeder View Post

Wow! you can cut the tension here with a knife!

:P

nah it's all peace.

**The Monk** · 05-09-2017, 04:36 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

The world isn't black or white, neither is braking.

Using either 100% front or rear brakes isn't the best. You need the correct mix of both. The percentage will vary depending on motorcycle, terrain, riding conditions etc.

Do read through this - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/art-safe...0-braking.html

**aditya_YZF-R15** · 05-09-2017, 05:55 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

You need the correct mix of both. The percentage will vary depending on motorcycle, terrain, riding conditions etc.

+1 true af

**black asp** · 05-09-2017, 06:08 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

The world isn't black or white, neither is braking.

Using either 100% front or rear brakes isn't the best. You need the correct mix of both. The percentage will vary depending on motorcycle, terrain, riding conditions etc.

Do read through this - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/art-safe...0-braking.html

The truth has been spoken[emoji41]

**PrinceCruise** · 05-09-2017, 06:58 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

I stop my bike with my feet, sometimes I just think and it stops. Beat it.

Regards.

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