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  • Originally posted by Parmeet View Post
    My New Bike
    that's real sexy dude!!

    Originally posted by mulli84 View Post
    I decided to change the brake disc oil myself because the SVC people are always deaf. My last service is due only 2 months later and I need to do a lot of trips. I decided to go for the DOT 4.

    SO whilst changing, do I have to drain the old DOT 3 fluid completely or just I can add the DOT4 straight away.
    No quote in our manual says what grade we are using.
    And both DOT3 and DOT4 comes in colours and as transparent too.
    So, it is difficult to distinguish them mostly, and moreover, hard to
    find what's in stock.

    Information from web is that, DOT3/4 should not be mixed with DOT5 but,
    3 and 4 could be mixed and there's no major threat to performance. I came
    to know all these, after I filled with DOT4 without draining the previous fluid.
    Moreover., draining involves complete flushing the calipers and all.
    Its a tedious job for a DIY.

    So, you can either drain the cylinder and fill with DOT4 or you can fill in with the
    leftover fluid. If you are going to drain it completely and fill again., lots of care
    should be taken not to leave any air bubbles in the system, as it seriously
    affects the performance. Keeping that in mind, I would suggest you to just
    add DOT4 to the remaining fluid., unless you are so sure that you could drain the
    air completely.

    P.S. Brake fluids are Moisture loving fluids. Use only fresh containers and try
    not to keep unused fluid in container for future use, as it would probably become
    useless. So, try to source small containers.

    Brake fluids eat paint too. Be careful!!

    This link helped me a lot.
    Here, DOT3 is initially present in pink color and I opened our cylinder to find ours is colorless.
    So, I thought it is DOT4 and I just added more DOT4 to it and done.
    But, I googled it later only to find that DOT3 also comes colorless
    and I still run on the same mixed (probably) brake fluids.
    Almost 4 months, and no notable change.

    Last edited by neevarp16; 03-14-2013, 11:19 PM. Reason: Added P.S
    The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

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    • Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
      that's real sexy dude!!



      No quote in our manual says what grade we are using.
      And both DOT3 and DOT4 comes in colours and as transparent too.
      So, it is difficult to distinguish them mostly, and moreover, hard to
      find what's in stock.

      Information from web is that, DOT3/4 should not be mixed with DOT5 but,
      3 and 4 could be mixed and there's no major threat to performance. I came
      to know all these, after I filled with DOT4 without draining the previous fluid.
      Moreover., draining involves complete flushing the calipers and all.
      Its a tedious job for a DIY.

      So, you can either drain the cylinder and fill with DOT4 or you can fill in with the
      leftover fluid. If you are going to drain it completely and fill again., lots of care
      should be taken not to leave any air bubbles in the system, as it seriously
      affects the performance. Keeping that in mind, I would suggest you to just
      add DOT4 to the remaining fluid., unless you are so sure that you could drain the
      air completely.

      P.S. Brake fluids are Moisture loving fluids. Use only fresh containers and try
      not to keep unused fluid in container for future use, as it would probably become
      useless. So, try to source small containers.

      Brake fluids eat paint too. Be careful!!

      This link helped me a lot.
      Here, DOT3 is initially present in pink color and I opened our cylinder to find ours is colorless.
      So, I thought it is DOT4 and I just added more DOT4 to it and done.
      But, I googled it later only to find that DOT3 also comes colorless
      and I still run on the same mixed (probably) brake fluids.
      Almost 4 months, and no notable change.

      http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/do-yours...ng-rtr180.html

      hye,
      What makes ya'l think we have DOT3 in our bikes ? the reason you may not have felt a change is because our bikes come from the factory with DOT4. You are right in saying that DOT3 and DOT4 come in all colors, but in India, if you look around your local market, DOT3 is usually red and DOT4 is usually colourless. In the international market the fluid can be any color. This is something I only learned when I intentionally went around looking for DOT3 and DOT4 fluid. Why is it so, I dont know, but a possible explanation is that it something the Indian companies adhere to make it easier to distinguish between.

      If you are changing the fluid because you feel the brakes are spongy (I do feel the front brake is spongy and doesnt offer that much breaking feel), it is because Honda brakes are designed as such. Honda designs the bikes so that its an easy transition from drum brakes. I have tried the brakes of bikes across the Honda range thanks to the SVC, and this is true. My advice would be, if you want to improve breaking feel, change to steel braided brake lines. I am trying to source these myself, as far as I have seen, the CBR250R's should be a direct fit (non ABS), still looking around though. If any one has tried this, please do comment ! And if you do have any evidence that the break fluid is DOT3 then do share it here!

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      • Originally posted by Manikantan.b View Post
        Yes you have to drain DOT 3 completely. Get help from your mechanic nearby. And please post your experience with DOT 4 oil.
        Thanks for the help! I still need to buy the fluid. Im looking to do it on Sunday only.
        Originally posted by krish2778 View Post
        Drain the dot3 fully if going for dot 4. Don't mix both fluid.
        Do all the precautions before fluid change. It is a kind of job which is easy to screw up and tough to live with afterwards.



        Cheers
        Ride safe
        Krishna
        Ya i googled about this. The brake fluid is really hating paints. Get to a lot of precautions first.

        Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
        that's real sexy dude!!



        No quote in our manual says what grade we are using.
        And both DOT3 and DOT4 comes in colours and as transparent too.
        So, it is difficult to distinguish them mostly, and moreover, hard to
        find what's in stock.

        Information from web is that, DOT3/4 should not be mixed with DOT5 but,
        3 and 4 could be mixed and there's no major threat to performance. I came
        to know all these, after I filled with DOT4 without draining the previous fluid.
        Moreover., draining involves complete flushing the calipers and all.
        Its a tedious job for a DIY.



        P.S. Brake fluids are Moisture loving fluids. Use only fresh containers and try
        not to keep unused fluid in container for future use, as it would probably become
        useless. So, try to source small containers.

        Brake fluids eat paint too. Be careful!!

        This link helped me a lot.

        http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/do-yours...ng-rtr180.html
        Thanks for so much info. Actually I saw a video in youtube Source: Motorcycle Brake Bleeding Procedure from Sportbiketrackgear.com - YouTube

        And the bold part in your quote is very much true. Actually my front discs are really good. They have that pinch braking effect. Its the rear which is spongy. The bike feels as if its not braking at all. Since I rely mostly on fronts, the fluid is almost empty. The SVC idiots never fill them even after saying to them. The rear fluid have never crossed the level which I saw way back in August.
        Ill see whether I can do it here or ill do it in my native.
        Last edited by mulli84; 03-15-2013, 12:24 PM.
        Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk ! - Tony Stark

        Sometimes in Driving, being patient for a matter of seconds can save your LIFE!

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        • Hi Friends, i got my Baby Cbr registered today...

          I will be riding to kerla from chennai on Monday... My doubt is abt servicing, my journey will be around 900 Kms, but honda says first service should be done in 500-750 Kms, when i reach kerla my odo will be around 950 kms. Am I eligible for the first service if i cross the 750 km mark..

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          • Originally posted by Prashu_l View Post
            Hi Friends, i got my Baby Cbr registered today...

            I will be riding to kerla from chennai on Monday... My doubt is abt servicing, my journey will be around 900 Kms, but honda says first service should be done in 500-750 Kms, when i reach kerla my odo will be around 950 kms. Am I eligible for the first service if i cross the 750 km mark..
            No!

            This will have 2 adverse effects.

            1. You won't be able to claim warranty in future as you overshot the service interval. (200+ kms is a huge margin)
            2. You'll screw up your running in process. (why carry metal shavings and filings till ~1k kms?)

            If it's urgent/mandatory that you must ride to Kerala, I'd suggest to get it serviced mid way.
            Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
            Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

            Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
            Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
            ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
            P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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            • Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
              No!

              This will have 2 adverse effects.

              1. You won't be able to claim warranty in future as you overshot the service interval. (200+ kms is a huge margin)
              2. You'll screw up your running in process. (why carry metal shavings and filings till ~1k kms?)

              If it's urgent/mandatory that you must ride to Kerala, I'd suggest to get it serviced mid way.
              Ohhh , is that ok if i service my vehicle around around 250 Km on ODO...

              Note: service interval is 500 - 750 OR 15- 30 days which ever is earlier (mine already 12 days older)

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              • Originally posted by Prashu_l View Post
                Ohhh , is that ok if i service my vehicle around around 250 Km on ODO...

                Note: service interval is 500 - 750 OR 15- 30 days which ever is earlier (mine already 12 days older)
                Yea it's ok to service at 250km... Actually it's better because most Run-in gets over by 250km.. So replacing oil and oil filter at 250 is good...

                Cheers
                Its better to sweat than bleed!! "AGATT "

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                • Originally posted by Prashu_l View Post
                  Ohhh , is that ok if i service my vehicle around around 250 Km on ODO...

                  Note: service interval is 500 - 750 OR 15- 30 days which ever is earlier (mine already 12 days older)
                  Yes. It's in fact good to do so at 250-300 km mark. You get rid of most metal parts/left overs in the engine and then you can continue the run in with a calm mind.
                  Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                  Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                  Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                  Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                  ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                  P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                  • Originally posted by siddharthsure View Post
                    Yea it's ok to service at 250km... Actually it's better because most Run-in gets over by 250km.. So replacing oil and oil filter at 250 is good...

                    Cheers
                    does honda (service centre ) allows for first service in 12th day itself

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                    • Originally posted by Prashu_l View Post
                      does honda (service centre ) allows for first service in 12th day itself
                      You'll leave on Monday right? It gives you the weekend in between. Ride for 150 odd kms in these days and give it for service Monday morning.
                      Else, if you plan to leave Chennai early morning, then you don't have much options. Yes, you can give it on the 2nd day itself, but not late!

                      Just tell them that you'll be doing a 1000 km trip on Sunday and hence you need the service (and hence you save your warranty as well).
                      Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                      Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                      P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                      • Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                        You'll leave on Monday right? It gives you the weekend in between. Ride for 150 odd kms in these days and give it for service Monday morning.
                        Else, if you plan to leave Chennai early morning, then you don't have much options. Yes, you can give it on the 2nd day itself, but not late!

                        Just tell them that you'll be doing a 1000 km trip on Sunday and hence you need the service (and hence you save your warranty as well).
                        I will give for service tomorrow, i will drive as much as possible today itself...

                        Thanks a lot for ur reply.....
                        Last edited by Prashu_l; 03-15-2013, 06:44 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Prashu_l View Post
                          Hi Friends, i got my Baby Cbr registered today...

                          I will be riding to kerla from chennai on Monday... My doubt is abt servicing, my journey will be around 900 Kms, but honda says first service should be done in 500-750 Kms, when i reach kerla my odo will be around 950 kms. Am I eligible for the first service if i cross the 750 km mark..
                          After reading this i checked the manual.... actually it is not 500-750... it is 750-1000 or 15 to 30 days. which ever is earlier.
                          now my doubt is that if my odo shows around 750km but 35 or 40 days over by the time i take it to service center. will they do first service..? will it affect anything because of the 10 days delay in first service ?

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                          • Originally posted by Alwin Raj View Post
                            After reading this i checked the manual.... actually it is not 500-750... it is 750-1000 or 15 to 30 days. which ever is earlier.
                            now my doubt is that if my odo shows around 750km but 35 or 40 days over by the time i take it to service center. will they do first service..? will it affect anything because of the 10 days delay in first service ?
                            No in most cases except if you have good rapport with the SVC folk. Not worth risking it.
                            Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                            Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                            Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                            Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                            ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                            P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                            • Originally posted by Alwin Raj View Post
                              After reading this i checked the manual.... actually it is not 500-750... it is 750-1000 or 15 to 30 days. which ever is earlier.
                              now my doubt is that if my odo shows around 750km but 35 or 40 days over by the time i take it to service center. will they do first service..? will it affect anything because of the 10 days delay in first service ?
                              The way the SVC people look at it is, whichever comes first. So if you have done 750-1000km in 15 days or 400km in 30 days, its due for service either way.

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                              • Im going to topup the brake fluid with DOT3 itself. Im getting TVS brake oil only here. So is it ok to fill with this fluid itself?
                                Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk ! - Tony Stark

                                Sometimes in Driving, being patient for a matter of seconds can save your LIFE!

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