Since '02 xBhp is different things to different people. From a close knit national community of bikers to India's only motorcycling lifestyle magazine and a place to make like-minded biker friends. Join us

Castrol Power 1

Dawn & dusk make slight hard to adjust.

Our Partner

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

World of Sprockets!

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by R()(kyFlames View Post
    Hey Guys i have recently got my rear sprocket changed from the service center and what i notice after that is my top speed has gone for a toss....i could do a 130 with ease even with a pillion but not even on a single seat i hardly touch the 125 mark....my bike is P220 FI 2 yrs old now and i use the same engine oil castrol active which the service center guys add....could somebody shed some light as might this be a possible different sprocket put on to my bike instead of the one which should have been...
    See, you can't just relate Top Speed to Gearing directly... Of course, it affects, but your less top end could be due to other reasons also...

    To check it out, your P220 DTSFi came with a sprocket setup of 14/37. Count the no. of teeth on the rear sprocket now, are they 37 teeth?

    If there are more or less teeth, you can go to the service station to get it replaced.

    If its 37 only, then your top speed problem is not due to gearing.
    Last edited by Samarth 619; 03-29-2011, 02:41 AM.
    ---
    Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
    Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

    Comment


    • I need a 15T sprocket for my FZ. Is there anything other than Unicorn one that directly fits in FZ, as Unicorn owners already facing scarcity of spares, I couldn't find one anywhere in TVM.
      #RetiredRider
      #KeyboardWarrior

      Comment


      • i have pulsar ug2 with 6 fitment hole but i want to fit old pulsar 220 sprocket set 14/37 for top speed ,but it came with 4 fitment hole what mods should be done

        Comment


        • Fi 220 !

          will the unicorn's front 15T sprocket fit in FI 220

          Comment


          • Originally posted by aalop143 View Post
            i have pulsar ug2 with 6 fitment hole but i want to fit old pulsar 220 sprocket set 14/37 for top speed ,but it came with 4 fitment hole what mods should be done
            Not recommended. That's because:

            1. Since yours is UG2, it will involve extensive modification. Pure Wastage.

            2. People trying out P220's setup in 180 and 150cc pulsar have complained of heavy overgearing and weight. Acceleration very less, and even to reach top end it takes a lot of time.

            You want to overgear, right? I recommend you get the 40 teeth sprocket from LML Freedom. It has 6 holes and it fits directly, but you should get the bolts, etc.

            ---
            @ yash3: No, it won't. The Chain Pitch in P220 is bigger (.520) compared to Unicorn (.428). You can choose the new P220's rear sprocket (36T) for slight overgearing.

            Like I said before, there are not much direct fit & overgearing options for P220.

            --
            @ deville 56: None that I'm aware of. Very less bikes have rear sprockets below 40T. As for the front, try the P150/180 UG3's front sprocket... It might fit but I can't confirm.
            Please check my first page of this topic. It has a pic of my P180's front sprocket. It might help you.
            Last edited by Samarth 619; 04-12-2011, 11:41 PM.
            ---
            Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
            Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

              @ yash3: No, it won't. The Chain Pitch in P220 is bigger (.520) compared to Unicorn (.428). You can choose the new P220's rear sprocket (36T) for slight overgearing.

              Like I said before, there are not much direct fit & overgearing options for P220.
              already my bike is running with 36T ! so only i thought of doing something in front !

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                Gearing is a measure of all the components that determine the rate at which an engine's crankshaft's revolutions are transmitted, into the vehicle's speed. It comes from the word "gears" which are rotating cogs, which decide what speed the machine picks up, at a particular rpm.



                A Sample photo of the front sprocket of my bike (Pulsar 180 UG3) is given below:



                Sprocketing means changing the front & rear sprocket sizes to affect gearing. It's one of the simplest and easiest mods. The basic info says that:-->

                1. Bigger rear sprocket or smaller front sprocket, results in gearing biased towards acceleration, with some lag in top speed.
                2. Smaller rear sprocket or bigger front sprocket, results in gearing biased towards top speed, with some lag in acceleration.

                Gearing does NOT result in more or less power. It only affects how the power is laid, by changing the balance between top speed and acceleration. So, if one wants more top speed, and is prepared to lose acceleration a bit, or vice versa, then sprocketing is advisable.

                Taller gearing results in better highway mileage, and short gearing results in less highway mileage. This is due to the fact, that in longer gearing, the machine travels longer distance for a particular engine speed (rpm), and vice versa.

                Gearing maybe affected by: Sprockets' size change, rear tyre's size change, gearbox modification, clutch drag, etc.
                Gearing is NOT affected by: Weight/ load change (pillion, etc.), front tyre change, free flow air filters/ power mods, etc.

                -----------
                Change Measurement: Final Gearing Value: The sizes of front and rear sprocket (measured in "no. of teeth" the sprockets have) determines the final gearing.
                It is calculated by Rear Sprocket Teeth divided by Front sprocket Teeth. Like Pulsar 180 UG4 has a 14 front and 39 rear setup. So, its stock final gearing is 39/14 which is equal to 2.786.

                Final gearing is for comparison between different sprocket combinations, this way:

                45/15= 3.000 (Let's call this "Setup X")
                44/14= 3.143 (Under gearing, compared to "Setup X", means more acceleration)
                39/14= 2.786 (Over gearing, compared to "Setup X", means more top speed)

                Higher Final Gearing value signifies moving gearing towards acceleration (short gearing), and vice versa. So, when changing both sprockets from stock, the new gearing value should be calculated to determine which way you're going with gearing.

                But if you overgear too much, you might need a very long stretch to achieve a good top speed, or you might not achieve it at all.

                --
                Tyres: Rear Tyre change (size) may affect overall gearing, if the profile (height) is affected due to this change. A higher profile increases gearing, while a lower profile decreases it.
                A tyre with size 120/70 has a normal height of (120mm x 70%) which is 84mm. But, the broadness of the tyre rim can change the "final height".

                A broader rim gives less tyre height, as tyre is rubber, and it expands over the broader rim, causing lesser ride height & lower gearing. And of course, vice versa too. For example, if you fit the R15 rear tyre on your Pulsars, you might not change gearing at all, because although the R15 tyre is of lower height, but the Pulsar rim is narrower than R15's, and a narrow rim raises the ride height.

                Front tyre size change doesn't affect gearing, although it may contribute to a different ride height, weight and different speeds on the speedometer.

                --------------
                Direct Sprocket Fits:

                Apache RTR 160: Stock Setup: 13/44 teeth.

                To overgear RTR 160, use the 14 teeth front sprocket from Yamaha YZF R15/ Fiero F2. (Thanks Aparajith)

                Pulsar 220 DTS Fi (Old model): Stock setup: 14/37

                To undergear it, use:
                P200's rear sprocket, 38 teeth,
                Karizma's rear sprocket, 40 teeth, (Thanks Prafultripathy)

                Pulsar 180 and 150 UG3: Stock Setup: (15/43 and 15/44)

                To undergear it, use Discover 135 Sports' Front Sprocket, 14 teeth. But you will need Discover's lock plate and nuts. (Thanks Prabhakar 150)

                To overgear it, use the complete kit of Pulsar 180 UG4, which is 14/39. It might make your bike heavier, but you can remove the chain guard safely, as its maintenance free chain. Remove 2 chain links from the chain, to fit it.

                For ONLY slight gearing change, you can use P150 UG3's kit in P180 UG3 (for undergearing) and P180 UG3's kit in P150 UG3 (for overgearing).

                Yamaha YZF R15: Stock Setup: 14/42

                To overgear it, use rear sprocket, 40 teeth from Yamaha FZ 16. (Thanks anirudh_fz1)

                Yamaha FZ16: Stock Setup: 14/40

                To overgear it, use front sprocket, 15 teeth from Honda Unicorn. (Thanks iamvik)
                To undergear it, use rear sprocket, 42 teeth from Yamaha YZF R15. (Thanks anirudh_fz1)

                Honda Shine 125: Stock Setup: 14/~

                To overgear it, use front sprocket, 15 teeth from Honda Unicorn. But, you'll have to shave off the sides of the sprocket so it matches the chain. (Bike India)

                Honda Unicorn 1st and 2nd Gen: Stock Setup: 15/42
                Honda Unicorn 3rd/4th onwards: Stock Setup: 15/43

                Direct Fits - With Chain pitch .428 (Unicorn Chain)
                Front 14T from Hero Honda Ambition/CBZ/Xtreme
                with Rear 38T (Ambition)
                with Rear 46T (CBZ Classic)

                With Chain Pitch .520 (Karizma chain):
                13T/40T of Karizma
                13T(ZMA)/38T(P200)

                Hero Honda Karizma: Stock Setup: 13/40

                To undergear, use a 38 teeth Rear Sprocket from P200, but P200 chain length is not sufficient. Adjust your Karizma Chain after installing. (Thanks Shreeni for above info)

                Pulsar 150 UG2 (Analog Meter): Stock setup: ~/44

                To overgear, use a 40 teeth rear sprocket (with 6 fitment holes) from LML Freedom. It requires cutting 2 links from the chain. (thanks hotshot.vipin)


                More material would be added on later. Please suggest improvements to the topic by sending me PM's. --Samarth

                for stock motor , sprocketing value is +- 6 % max. for example if stock set up is 14/42 therefore your positive ratio (biased towards acceleration ) must not exceed 3.18 and negative ratio ( biased towards top end ) is 2.82.
                Yamaha RX-K 135
                Kawasaki moped 110
                SYM Joyride Maxi scooter 150
                Piaggio X9 200 maxi scooter
                Yamaha FZ 150 Naked

                Comment


                • I've an RTR180 with 14/46 sprockets. I'm "joelling" it, which will result in more power. Later this year, I'm going on a long long ride across India to conquer the himalayas (please note I'm from the southern end of the country). As this ride (yes I'm riding all the way) will involve lots of highway riding, I'm looking to overgear my bike by means of sprocketing for increased top end.

                  Are there any 15T gear sprockets or 44T rear sprocket (or both) that I can use on my RTR180? The RTR180 service manual says the rear 44T sprocket from the RTR160 is not interchangeable with the RTR180.

                  Another query - is is possible to swap out the entire chain and sprocket set with that of the R15s 14/42 setup?

                  Awaiting the experts reply....
                  Thanks,
                  Lijo

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by lijok View Post
                    I've an RTR180 with 14/46 sprockets. I'm "joelling" it, which will result in more power. Later this year, I'm going on a long long ride across India to conquer the himalayas (please note I'm from the southern end of the country). As this ride (yes I'm riding all the way) will involve lots of highway riding, I'm looking to overgear my bike by means of sprocketing for increased top end.

                    Are there any 15T gear sprockets or 44T rear sprocket (or both) that I can use on my RTR180? The RTR180 service manual says the rear 44T sprocket from the RTR160 is not interchangeable with the RTR180.

                    Another query - is is possible to swap out the entire chain and sprocket set with that of the R15s 14/42 setup?

                    Awaiting the experts reply....
                    Thanks,
                    Lijo
                    lijok i have resprocketed by putting pulsar's 15T front sprocket but i am not very much happy with the results.
                    15T front sprocket will give 7% increase in speed in each RPM like normally RTR180 gives 93kmph at 7k rpm but after resprocketing it gave 100kmph.
                    I didnt notice any considerable change in the top speed but this time it took a little longer to reach there than the stock one.

                    There was a slight bump in milieage of 2kmpl but the sluggishness in reaching to a higher speed spoilled the excitment.

                    And i regreated most in the hills where bike was sluggish as one need to ride in 3rd and 4th gear which would not have been the case if i was using the stock sprocket.
                    And right after the trip i rolled back to stock one.

                    Joelled bike performs best with the stock setup.
                    Rest the choice is urs

                    Comment


                    • Thanks bro. Yes, I'll get the stock one now. But when I hit the highway, I think I wont mind the lag to reach there given I can do a better top speed....

                      Comment


                      • All these 17 PS bikes reaching higher speeds than 124 (like RTR180, Karizma, R15, etc.) have longer 5th/ 6th gears.
                        With acceptable weight & city based gearing, a 17 PS bike should do some 117 kmph or so real.
                        So, its never advisable to over-gear these 3 bikes. Nothing much will come out.

                        But since we're talking Joelled bike, you can go ahead with this.

                        @ nkz: Yes, 6% is about it for stock bike.

                        @ FlyingJian: Thanks. I have added that info in first post for all to see. And a Joelled bike performs good with overgearing too.

                        ---
                        Guys, I just googled my article and found it here, without credits:

                        • - Gearing, and re-gearing your bike. • NSIT Car Fanatics Forum •
                        Last edited by Samarth 619; 04-14-2011, 12:28 AM.
                        ---
                        Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
                        Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                          But since we're talking Joelled bike, you can go ahead with this.


                          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                          Guys, I just googled my article and found it here, without credits:

                          • - Gearing, and re-gearing your bike. • NSIT Car Fanatics Forum •
                          This is outrageous!! Report it man

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by lijok View Post
                            Thanks bro. Yes, I'll get the stock one now. But when I hit the highway, I think I wont mind the lag to reach there given I can do a better top speed....
                            After having a taste of Joelled FFE its very annoying to ride a slow accelerating bike.You will always miss the rush on a sudden blip if you goes for resprocketing

                            Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                            All these 17 PS bikes reaching higher speeds than 124 (like RTR180, Karizma, R15, etc.) have longer 5th/ 6th gears.
                            With acceptable weight & city based gearing, a 17 PS bike should do some 117 kmph or so real.
                            So, its never advisable to over-gear these 3 bikes. Nothing much will come out.

                            But since we're talking Joelled bike, you can go ahead with this.

                            @ nkz: Yes, 6% is about it for stock bike.

                            @ FlyingJian: Thanks. I have added that info in first post for all to see. And a Joelled bike performs good with overgearing too.

                            ---
                            Guys, I just googled my article and found it here, without credits:

                            • - Gearing, and re-gearing your bike. • NSIT Car Fanatics Forum •
                            @Samarth brother mine is also Joelled with FFE. And the sudden rush and punch it provides is unmatchable and i think its best with the stock gearing.
                            And Joel too advice the same.

                            I was missing this in whole trip and when you are get used to off the rush, you wont like it by changing the gearing.
                            But i am back and i am loving it

                            Comment


                            • Overgearing on Pulsar 150 Classic

                              Hi friends,

                              I am Maneesh Joshi from Pune.

                              I have a 10 year old Pulsar 150 - the very first model, wire wheels, round headlight, analog instruments. The front spkt is 14 teeth, 2 holes and rear is 42 teeth, 2 holes. Chain is 114 links, pitch of .428

                              I am a tourer and need low revs on the highway. Last Sunday, I did a Nasik and back trip to check out my bike for the forthcoming trip to Leh in July. She was doing exactly 60 kph at 4K rpm and 70 kph at 5K rpm with a total load of about 120 kgs.

                              Any suggestions for overgearing only the front sprocket by about 2 teeth? Let me explain. In mountains, I would prefer the low gearing of the stock setup to enable comfortable climbing while in the plains, the high gearing would ease cruising. Also, it is much easier to change the front than the rear, as all of us on this thread know.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by icemang View Post
                                Hi friends,

                                I am Maneesh Joshi from Pune.

                                I have a 10 year old Pulsar 150 - the very first model, wire wheels, round headlight, analog instruments. The front spkt is 14 teeth, 2 holes and rear is 42 teeth, 2 holes. Chain is 114 links, pitch of .428

                                I am a tourer and need low revs on the highway. Last Sunday, I did a Nasik and back trip to check out my bike for the forthcoming trip to Leh in July. She was doing exactly 60 kph at 4K rpm and 70 kph at 5K rpm with a total load of about 120 kgs.

                                Any suggestions for overgearing only the front sprocket by about 2 teeth? Let me explain. In mountains, I would prefer the low gearing of the stock setup to enable comfortable climbing while in the plains, the high gearing would ease cruising. Also, it is much easier to change the front than the rear, as all of us on this thread know.
                                I think 14-16 will be a bit too much.
                                42/14=3
                                42/16=2.625 which is 12% change. As per the discussion in this thread, it must be only around 6%.
                                For that I think the 15teeth gear sprocket of UG3 will be ideal.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X