Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

You might be knowing that Vikas Rachamalla owns a 15 year old R1, he changed the oil to FS & found some leaking and other issues, changed back to mineral everthings fine.

And from personal experience i think MINERAL oil are not that bad as everyone thinks!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

No one said Mineral oil are bad, neither did I. You missed the point as always, I said I won't put mineral based oil in an engine which is tuned to produce more for its capacity. That's why R15 has always been recommended with either SS or FS.

He ran his R1 it for 8000 KMs in 3 years, a point to ponder.

Regards.

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

His R1 is garbage. I never understood why he even bought it in the first place. His rear brakes are non-functional, imagine that. Merely changing the type of oil does not suddenly produce a leak. If anything, SS or FS oils should Improve the engine and other components, not produce issues. Mineral oils are simply the staple oil for any motorcycle specially during the Break-in period. Even the legendary BMW S1000RR, Hayabusa, ZX12R all use Mineral oil during its breakin period its not just R1.

Once the break-in is complete, a SS or FS oil simply reduces the friction coefficient between engine parts because these oils have a better/lower traction coefficient (viscosity) than Mineral oils. This reduces mechanical wear and tear and prolongs engine life. But this effect is realized mostly on larger motors and not smaller ones like the Gixxer has. Anyways thats my knowledge. Cheers!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

That R1 is a rust bucket no doubt. Guess he got it for throwaway prices or maybe even as a giveaway. He had uploaded videos where even the instrument console wasn't working. Not exactly the ideal motorcycle to judge anything by, let alone a crucial component like engine oil.

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

Agree with every single point of yours. I believe, because of better margins, most Suzuki svc's do not stock Motul by Suzuki 10W40 oil here in Bangalore, instead have only Idemitsu. If you take your own can of Motul by Suzuki 10W40 they try to reject using it and go an extra mile to scare you with their cheap tactics claiming using anything but Idemitsu voids warranty. Though, I was able to take them for a ride and ensured they use any oil that I take for the svc (hence forth) but I feel sorry for guys who can't tackle these kind of issues these svc's make and budge to their warranty tactics.

More and more and people should be made aware of such false claims svc's make and should never let them fool their customers in this way.

Cheers!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

Fuel indicator problem
Fuel indicator is constantly moving.
Did anyone face this problem?

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

To support your comment, let me add this. Suzuki Motorcycle INdia website recently updated their Accessories section. If you visit the link I have included below you can see that many types of Engine oils are now officially supported by Suzuki including but not limited to MOTUL, Castol and Idemitsu.

In the Motul range they have the 300V, 7100 and their MINERAL oil 10w40. Please dont mistaken the 10w40 Mineral oil (308INR) for the 5100 semisynthetic oil. The 5100 is not listed on there for some reason..



P.S: Something interesting you might notice:

Idemitsu 10w40 which costs 390INR is apparently Synthetic but no-where on the container does it say whether it is SS or FS
Motul 10w40 costs 308INR, in this its not mentioned anywhere whether its SS or FS or even Mineral. But I contacted Motul and Suzuki and they both confirm that the Suzuki partnered Motul 10w40 is a Mineral oil.

The tank has a graded fuel sensor. If the you are accelerating or braking abruptly, the petrol gets thrown around in the tank and this petrol will stimulate the different sensor gradings. This will show as a flickering fuel bar on the meter. By logic it usually goes a bar up and then comes back to normal. If its flickering too much, then take your bike to the SVC and report it to them. It might be a faulty sensor and may require a replacement.

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 2017 Rear Disk Heating Issue

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Congratz on your new motorcycle. Yes this issue is a common occurrence with almost all new gixxer owners. The brakes pads are fresh so they usually require a process called bedding which is similar to an engine breakin. The pad surface needs to wear down to become efficient at braking. Hence in the initial period the pads will be touching the rear disc, what you need to do is whenever you are braking, use both the front and rear brakes. Also if the screeching sound is excessive, get the rear wheel alignment checked. Most often then not, the rear wheel is misaligned..

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

The reason for the exclusion of Motul 5100 in their website is only because it isn't available in 10w40 grade which Suzuki particularly recommends for its Gixxer bikes, 5100 is available in 10w30 and 15w50 only I believe.

Idemitsu 10w40 is semi-synthetic, the oil container says 'high performance synthetic oil' and also the cost of it makes it pretty much clear it is semi-synthetic.

Cheers!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

You would think its SS. But the cost doesnt justify it I mean its 390/Liter. Motul 10w40 Mineral is 308/Liter. Motul 15w50 (which btw is within the prescribed range as mentioned in the manual in case of unavailability of 10w40) costs 575/Liter.

Heres the gist, I have a contact who buys Motul engine oils in bulk sells me 15w50 for 500 (on amazon its 549 right now at 4% off). He tells me he wont get teh Idemitsu oils because they are ****, besides he is actually unable to get hold of a Distributor for Idemitsu.
From this alone you can tell how pathetic that Idemitsu 10w40 "SS" oil might be. Also when you look at the container, Idemitsu is mentioned in a very small font on the back unlike the Motul mineral oil container where its mentioned clearly on the front so you know what you are buying.

Seriously suzuki should have just stuck with Motul instead of partnering with Idemitsu.
When I asked them what Oil comes prefilled from the factory in the new gixxers and they said its the Motul Mineral oil.

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

Apologies for the long post [emoji41]

I think we are on the same page! [emoji1]

I second to your point, Idemitsu 10w40 is pathetic and 5100 15w50 is a terrific oil.

Most, if not all semi-synthetic oils are priced in the ~400 Rs vicinity, except for the Motul 5100 (my POV below), even Motul's 3100 semi-synthetic 20w50 (used in P220s mostly) is priced at 410/L.

Most Mineral oils are priced in the 280-320Rs price bracket per litre and All FS oils are priced 800+Rs/L.

Suzuki by Motul 10w40 is priced 308/L as rightly said by you.

So the pricing gives the customers a rough idea as to what oil he is buying, Mineral or semi-synthetic or FS.

Now coming to the point, why is Motul 5100 is priced above all Semi-synthetic oils in the market? It's because the ratio of mineral vs synthetic part is 50:50, or even has >50% synthetic vs Mineral base stock in the 5100 oil. Where as Motul 3100 being semi-synthetic definitely has the synthetic ratio <50% vs Mineral base stock. Hence the price difference and superior performance.

I have used all 3 oils from Motul 3100, 5100, 7100 on my D200, all above points are from my own experience. IMHO 5100 is the most impressive of the three. Motul recommends same drain intervals for both 7100 FS and 5100 SS, which in case of D200 is 5K kms, this goes to show how good the 5100 really is. Priced almost 300Rs less than 7100, for a guy like me who do not cover too many kms, 5100 serves great because I can drain the oil and pour in new for every 6 months (I probably do some 3K kms) without worrying too much about the cost of the oil (against 7100)

My friend owns an SF and I take care of his ride and are really happy with Suzuki by Motul 10w40, just like me even he does not cover too many kms (hardly 1k kms every 3 months) so without much worry we replace the oil every service and also is easy on the pocket.

Cheers!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

Cheers mate!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

Yes, motul 3100 and 5100 both are ss oil. But motul 5100 uses ester and 3100 doesn't. Hence price is high.

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

You're right mate, I missed the ester part. Thank you!

Re: Suzuki Gixxer 155

I have been following this thread and your posts since the oil discussion came up. The Motul 5100 15w50 review is catching my attention. I have around 4000 kms on ODO right now (been following draining intervals of 4k kms for the stock mineral). I do city rides and occasional highway rides too. Considering few long rides soon. I have my 3rd service pending next month and the Suzuki SVC people I visit are really nice. They don't force any oil / oil change preference on you. I have seen people taking their own cans for oil change and buying just the oil filter. They just said they only stock and sell the stock 'Suzuki by Motul' Mineral oil. Could you shed some light if the 5100 is worth considering (even though the grades are different) over the stock 'Motul by Suzuki' consider our city temperatures or I should just stick to the stock? I will keep changing the oil every 4k kms as suggested in manual. But cost is not an issue for me, as long as the change is actually beneficial to maintaining the engine.