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  • Re: Suzuki GS150R

    Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
    Clarification is most unnecessary. You asked a question and you got an opinion. Seems fair enough.
    No one's judging
    Thanks for not judging and giving your opinion. All I asked was Specifications and pointers of where can it be done and All I got were opinions

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    • Re: Suzuki GS150R

      Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
      Stator coil?
      Not really sure, my friend.
      He said like current is not flowing across lighting coil...etc. Battery is also not charging due to that. The delivery guy told me to bring the bike after 2 days for this fix. In the meantime you can use he told. I took the bike for some 90 kms ride and after 70 kms the bike stopped. it was overheated. I checked the engine oil level and it was OK. I could see it from the lens.
      Poor service Suzuki provides.
      He did not tell me that I should not do a long trip on this bike. Only short I should do he dint tell me. I was stuck half way and had to push the bike for close to 5-6 kms. Horrible!

      1 decision I made in my life is NOT to buy any Suzuki bikes going forward. Waiting for 2018 to get ABS on all bikes above 150cc to change the bike. Till then I will use this and sell. Enough of the hell. This does not mean to harm any GS owners, it is just my take on "my" bike.

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        My bike did not come with a toolkit. I'm embarking on a long ride in the coming week so which among these would I need for basic maintenance/repair purposes?
        I plan to buy them separately from the market.

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        • Re: Suzuki GS150R

          Originally posted by Motomonster View Post
          Rear disc doesn't do anything substantial to braking it increases chance of skidding.get grippier tyres and ride cautiously.

          Your Hornet is rear disc version? If yes and if that came from you, thumbs up. I am currently missing rear disc on my GS because the rear drums behave funnily in the rains (it is raining here in Chennai now as I write this). Nothing to complain though on a sunny day + defensive driving. On my previous Eterno and Bro's Activa, I could dry the drum brakes by riding them while on power (though this is bad for the CVT/clutch on the Activa). But on my GS, the drum simply tends to lock up if the lining is wet. I should probably fit a heating coil in it .


          Originally posted by deemash View Post
          Not really sure, my friend. He said like current is not flowing across lighting coil...etc. Battery is also not charging due to that. The delivery guy told me to bring the bike after 2 days for this fix. In the meantime you can use he told. I took the bike for some 90 kms ride and after 70 kms the bike stopped. it was overheated. I checked the engine oil level and it was OK. I could see it from the lens. Poor service Suzuki provides. He did not tell me that I should not do a long trip on this bike. Only short I should do he dint tell me. I was stuck half way and had to push the bike for close to 5-6 kms. Horrible! 1 decision I made in my life is NOT to buy any Suzuki bikes going forward. Waiting for 2018 to get ABS on all bikes above 150cc to change the bike. Till then I will use this and sell. Enough of the hell. This does not mean to harm any GS owners, it is just my take on "my" bike.
          Stator/alternator coil/connection (whatever that is called) is gone - this is not a frequently replaced item as it lasts easily for a lakh kilometers in most bikes and hence SVCs won't have them in stock. With no output from the coil and gradually discharging battery, the spark plug won't have a source of power and hence the engine died. Anyway, don't quote me on that - I always flunked my physics exams on electricity . I had to push my Honda Eterno a good 5-6 kms after stator coil failure - I cursed Honda for their "bullet proof reliability" and ended up with a GS. There was no way I could have done any preventive maintenance on the stator coil of the Eterno. All the SVCs are the same. A recent survey actually rated TVS as #1 in after sales support/customer satisfaction and Suzuki as #2. Just chill - your bad times with GS shall pass. Your mood might lift up once again after this problem is resolved and you again start cruising at 70 in that 6th. But if you are really fed-up and want to replace your Suzuki/GS, I suggest you do it quickly if feasible (financially, etc). We have ABS bikes now too. Because once it is officially discontinued, the brokers will have one more reason to lower the price further.

          Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
          My bike did not come with a toolkit. I'm embarking on a long ride in the coming week so which among these would I need for basic maintenance/repair purposes? I plan to buy them separately from the market.
          Regarding the OEM tool kit:
          #1 and #10 - obviously not needed for a long trip/DIY but 10 is usable for adjusting the rear shocks. #7, 8 and 9 - are useless, they are formalities that came with this bike. #4 is another joke - get a good Taparia/Stanley screwdriver set. #5 can be used in combo with 7 and 6 for spark plug removal/fittment - works well. #2 can be used to remove chain covers. #3 will strip the 12 mm/14 mm nut/bolts. #7 is 17 mm and should be able to help us remove/fit the oil drain plug - but thanks to the brilliant design mismatch of the strainer cup/spanner, this too is non-usable. But I think Suzuki provided it for the front axle bolt.

          Tools for Long Trip:
          Swiss knife combo, a good +/- screwdriver and insulating tape are some items people carry on longish trips. A good place to gain some gyan would be Universal Threads.

          DIY:
          If it is tools for basic weekend DIY that you are asking, I will compile a list and post later.
          Last edited by ashwanth.r; 05-18-2016, 01:54 AM.

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          • Re: Suzuki GS150R

            [MENTION=21956]vvijkumar[/MENTION] I do not know where you can get a rear disc brakes added. But I can tell you, I was of the same opinion and wanted rear discs myself in 2009 when I started with my GS. The braking front:rear ratio is determined by the center of gravity of the bike and the change in the center of gravity(front suspension travel) while braking and that is different for all bikes. Every bike has a different braking character. On the GS try this, tighten your rear brake nut and go to an empty road, speed up and then brake hard on the rear. You will notice that as soon as the brake is applied forcefully, the rear starts to skid immediately without providing much stopping force. If you add discs, only the skidding will come faster, with less effort. The stopping will not change. The story changes if you have a pilion. I would strongly suggest getting a softer compound grippier tyres than going for rear discs on the GS. That will give much better results with lower costs and fewer hassles.
            Last edited by BLITZ; 05-18-2016, 04:51 AM.
            With great Power(and Torque) comes great responsibility.

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            • Re: Suzuki GS150R

              Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
              My bike did not come with a toolkit. I'm embarking on a long ride in the coming week so which among these would I need for basic maintenance/repair purposes? I plan to buy them separately from the market.
              My opinion is that a bike's toolkit is for emergency (unforeseen) repairs on the road . It's obviously never adequate for maintenance jobs because it has to fit and weight just right for the bike's meager carrying space . So the tools shall never provide comfort in use and good torque , but they'll try get you home when something happens . It's not easy to replace the OE tool-bag , for example just to replace the first 2 open-spanners in the list you'd have to carry 4 . i.e you'd have to carry 8-9 , 10-11 , 12-13 , 14-15 to replace the 8-10 & 12-14 of the OE kit , since the later size-combination are never found in shops . Then you'd probably never use the 9 , 11 , 13 & 15 ends - since the bike doesn't have any bolts or fasteners of that size . Same with 6-point(hexagonal) stamped-metal wrenches , I never found them in shops here . Ring spanners / sockets are not small & flat like those and cannot fit my bike's tool space .

              My humble advice - buy OE toolkit and keep in bike always , learn how to use them in emergency . Expand with additional tools from market as you need for regular maintenance jobs or a trip like you've planned .

              Ofcourse , as Ashwanth has used the suzuki OE kit he can say accurately about usefulness of the individual parts which I can't .
              Last edited by Pinaki; 05-19-2016, 01:01 AM.

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              • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                Regarding the OEM tool kit:
                #1 and #10 - obviously not needed for a long trip/DIY but 10 is usable for adjusting the rear shocks. #7, 8 and 9 - are useless, they are formalities that came with this bike. #4 is another joke - get a good Taparia/Stanley screwdriver set. #5 can be used in combo with 7 and 6 for spark plug removal/fittment - works well. #2 can be used to remove chain covers. #3 will strip the 12 mm/14 mm nut/bolts. #7 is 17 mm and should be able to help us remove/fit the oil drain plug - but thanks to the brilliant design mismatch of the strainer cup/spanner, this too is non-usable. But I think Suzuki provided it for the front axle bolt.

                Tools for Long Trip:
                Swiss knife combo, a good +/- screwdriver and insulating tape are some items people carry on longish trips. A good place to gain some gyan would be Universal Threads.

                DIY:
                If it is tools for basic weekend DIY that you are asking, I will compile a list and post later.
                Thanks for the detailed reply. I already had the swiss knife, insulation tape and a Taparia +/- screwdriver with me, along with a Stanley open wrench set (8mm to 22mm). I just wanted to make sure these would be enough for any emergency (I realize one can't possibly account for all possible emergencies) and referred to the official toolkit picture to help me with the same. From what you say, I already have most of the stuff that I need barring the plug socket wrench and wrench handle.

                Also, thanks in advance for the list of DIY maintenance tools that you talked about. Please post whenever you can spare time for the same. No hurries.


                Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                My opinion is that a bike's toolkit is for emergency (unforeseen) repairs on the road . It's obviously never adequate for maintenance jobs because it has to fit and weight just right for the bike's meager carrying space . So the tools shall never provide comfort in use and good torque , but they'll try get you home when something happens . It's not easy to replace the OE tool-bag , for example just to replace the first 2 open-spanners in the list you'd have to carry 4 . i.e you'd have to carry 8-9 , 10-11 , 12-13 , 14-15 to replace the 8-10 & 12-14 of the OE kit , since the later size-combination are never found in shops . Then you'd probably never use the 9 , 11 , 13 & 15 ends - since the bike doesn't have any bolts or fasteners of that size . Same with 6-point(hexagonal) stamped-metal wrenches , I never found them in shops here . Ring spanners / sockets are not small & flat like those and cannot fit my bike's tool space .

                My humble advice - buy OE toolkit and keep in bike always , learn how to use them in emergency . Expand with additional tools from market as you need for regular maintenance jobs or a trip like you've planned .

                Ofcourse , as Ashwanth has used the suzuki OE kit he can say accurately about usefulness of the individual parts which I can't .
                You're spot on. The tools that I am going to make do with in the absence of the official toolkit is certainly not going to fit in the designated underseat storage space. It will go in with the rest of my luggage. I bought a few spares like oil filter, clutch and brake lever and spark plug from the official service center yesterday and asked him if I could buy an official toolkit too. The guy behind the counter flat-out refused and said it comes with the bike only. It's then that I posted the above query.

                In the meantime, if the engine misses a couple of beats around the 4-5K rpm mark when accelerating (sort of like when your bike is about to hit reserve), is it time for the air filter to go?
                The mechanic thinks so and asked me to get it replaced before going on a long trip. The thing's never been replaced in the bike's lifetime of 18K KMs.

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                • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                  Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
                  In the meantime, if the engine misses a couple of beats around the 4-5K rpm mark when accelerating (sort of like when your bike is about to hit reserve), is it time for the air filter to go?
                  The mechanic thinks so and asked me to get it replaced before going on a long trip. The thing's never been replaced in the bike's lifetime of 18K KMs.
                  18k km is usually the range for 2 air filters sir!
                  Most manufacturers recommend a 10k km interval for the air filter. That figure would decrease depending how dusty your area is, but in no case should it exceed the figure.
                  Replace it ASAP!
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                  • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    18k km is usually the range for 2 air filters sir!
                    Most manufacturers recommend a 10k km interval for the air filter. That figure would decrease depending how dusty your area is, but in no case should it exceed the figure.
                    Replace it ASAP!
                    Actually, where I live, dust and dry weather rule.
                    However, any signs pointing to air filter issues were absent, up until now. FE and engine smoothness/response were just right. I get your point though. Will get it replaced ASAP!

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                    • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                      Hi All,

                      I got a second hand GS 2010 Model which wasn't used much. It has done only 12K KMS. I have changed to FS oil from Castrol. I need to change the spark plug to NGK One. What is the part number. As far as i came to know there is no specific NGK plug for GS. Also i get a low mileage of 25-30 under heavy riding.Heavy riding as in when the roads are free i touch 100 - 105 constantly.
                      Is this fuel efficiency normal. What is the actual efficiency others have got under the same circumstances.

                      Your suggestions would be much appreciated.
                      Raghuraman.R
                      "Bikes don't leak oil, they mark territory"

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                      • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                        Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
                        .. from the official service center yesterday and asked him if I could buy an official toolkit too. The guy behind the counter flat-out refused and said it comes with the bike only. It's then that I posted the above query...
                        Thats a shame ! I'm almost sure they are not right .. can't be . With all bikes I've ever had like hero, honda or yamaha ones , OE tool-kit is available as spare and you can always purchase it from service centers or authorised distributors . Manufacturers consider it an integral part of the bike and the kit has a part-number , just like other parts of the bike . Send a mail to suzuki about this guy .

                        Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
                        I already had the swiss knife, insulation tape and a Taparia +/- screwdriver with me, along with a Stanley open wrench set (8mm to 22mm). I just wanted to make sure these would be enough for any emergency (I realize one can't possibly account for all possible emergencies) and referred to the official toolkit picture to help me with the same. From what you say, I already have most of the stuff that I need barring the plug socket wrench and wrench handle...
                        The screwdriver you'll need mainly is taparia 905 . Open spanner set you have is good . In addition buy ring spanners for the two wheel nut sizes , you can always hold the bolt on other side with open spanner . A ring spanner for the oil-drain nut and another for the spark plug . My plug opens with #16 ring spanner , check yours - much better than plug-sockets , only be careful not to over tighten . Also a taparia 1221-6 slip-joint plier . 1-2 allen keys of sizes the bike needs . Some cable ties and electrical tape , fevi-quick . Spare engine oil , headlamp & tail lamp bulbs , clutch & throttle cables , spark-plug . First aid kit .
                        Last edited by Pinaki; 05-20-2016, 01:08 AM.

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                        • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                          Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                          Thats a shame ! I'm almost sure they are not right .. can't be . With all bikes I've ever had like hero, honda or yamaha ones , OE tool-kit is available as spare and you can always purchase it from service centers or authorised distributors . Manufacturers consider it an integral part of the bike and the kit has a part-number , just like other parts of the bike . Send a mail to suzuki about this guy .
                          These are guys utterly unmotivated to even answer professionally the inquiries one has about various spare parts. On lamenting that such a great bike is let down by such poor service and support, all the guy had to say is that he can specifically order any particular spare part I want but only on advance payment for the same as he cannot afford the spares gathering dust. I decided I'm better off with a toolkit assembled from local market than hanker after these guys for what you say is essentially an officially designated spare part.

                          The screwdriver you'll need mainly is taparia 905 . Open spanner set you have is good . In addition buy ring spanners for the two wheel nut sizes , you can always hold the bolt on other side with open spanner . A ring spanner for the oil-drain nut and another for the spark plug . My plug opens with #16 ring spanner , check yours - much better than plug-sockets , only be careful not to over tighten . Also a taparia 1221-6 slip-joint plier . 1-2 allen keys of sizes the bike needs . Some cable ties and electrical tape , fevi-quick . Spare engine oil , headlamp & tail lamp bulbs , clutch & throttle cables , spark-plug . First aid kit .
                          I have bought and packed all the above except for a slip-joint plier (I included the normal plier I had) and tail lamp bulb.

                          Rest all is a check including a new can of Gulf Pride 20W40, some wire and M-Seal!

                          EDIT: Changed the air filter yesterday. Mechanic says older one still has some life and may be I can keep it for any emergencies. Was not enthused by the idea but brought it back with me anyway. One thing though, after plonking in the new filter, the mechanic turned the AFR screw a bit to make it slightly leaner. He's a trusted dude but is doing this mandatory or something after an air filter change?
                          Last edited by eternoMind; 05-20-2016, 11:43 AM.

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                          • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                            Originally posted by eternoMind View Post
                            Changed the air filter yesterday. Mechanic says older one still has some life and may be I can keep it for any emergencies. Was not enthused by the idea but brought it back with me anyway. One thing though, after plonking in the new filter, the mechanic turned the AFR screw a bit to make it slightly leaner. He's a trusted dude but is doing this mandatory or something after an air filter change?
                            I hope you have a new spark plug installed too (we are supposed to replace the stock one every 8k).

                            Filter might look clean but will be clogged. You have to dissect it to see. New filter will admit more fresh air into the engine than the old one - so he should have made the mixture slightly richer, no? Anyway, if there are no problems, leaving it at the factory setting is the best.

                            Have a safe and fun trip!

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                            • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                              Got my bike after Stator coil replaced. The part cost was 800 INR. Altogether including oil change, the bill came to 1600 INR.

                              1. What type of Engine oil do you guys prefer for your GS ? Any specific oil that is good ?
                              2. What could be the cause of Stator coil failure ? In most forums, I learnt that the life of this coil comes to 1 Lakh kms.
                              3. My another problem is the cylinder and piston is weak. So keeping a tab on the Engine oil level weekly.

                              All these things happening on a ~40k run 1.5 years old bike.
                              Last edited by deemash; 05-23-2016, 01:58 PM.

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                                Originally posted by deemash View Post

                                1. What type of Engine oil do you guys prefer for your GS ? Any specific oil that is good ?

                                Most of us use 10W-40/15W-40/20W-40. None of us used 10W-30 (the SVC can fill this by mistake or with intention when xW-40 is unavailable but that oil from Suzuki/Castrol is for their scooters). Worldwide, most Suzuki motorcycle engines are recommended 10W-40 -> xW-40 is the best for their engines and for our hotter days. The owner's manual allows for the use of xW-50 too if xW-40 is unavailable.

                                When selecting an oil, just make sure you buy the original brand from a authorized distributor/reputed shop. I have used Servo 20W-40 from IOL pumps and have no complaints. Suzuki mentions a minimum of JASO MA/API SH/SJ. The higher the oil in API ladder, better the thermal breakdown resistance. The latest is JASO MA2 and API SN (I think Shell AX-7 10W-40 and Valvoline 20W-40 are API SN oils). Most others are API SL which should be fine.

                                Brandwise, the favorites among GS'pians here are Castrol, Shell and Gulf. There are many other very good brands like Motul and Mobil.

                                Remember this: Original make, correct grade, correct level, regular changes along with oil filter and meeting minimum requirements (JASO/API) will suffice.


                                2. What could be the cause of Stator coil failure ? In most forums, I learnt that the life of this coil comes to 1 Lakh kms.

                                Actually, it might be easily more than 1 lakh kilometers (Fiero/Joy/Dawn/Splendors/GS), because this part unlike a piston-piston ring-cylinder-valve combo, this doesn't wear itself out due to friction. One can't really say why it failed early in your bike (I still don't know whether to blame that fall on a rainy night).

                                3. My another problem is the cylinder and piston is weak. So keeping a tab on the Engine oil level weekly.
                                All these things happening on a ~40k run 1.5 years old bike.

                                SVC guy told you piston/cylinder is weak? If it drinks oil, there would be whitish/bluish smoke too and spark plug would be able to tell the truth.

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