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It was not a decision based solely on ABS being retrofitted later. But it sure did tilt it in the Apache's favour. The ABS module is already being used on the export version for quite a while now - clearly that means TVS have tested and clocked it considerably already. The mount points are already there and then electronics are in place to support it. There is no reason why it cannot be fitted later.Originally posted by FuNa View PostThe decision based on retro-fitting of ABS is not correct mate. Dealer will say a thousand things, but what can you do when the dealer denies the same after few months? ABS module is not a component which can be "retro-fitted" easily. It is launched after various sorts of testing in real world scenarios covering thousands of kilometers. ABS is something which should come out of the factory (factory-fitted) and you should simply forget about retro-fitting it as it may require changing of multiple parts making its very costly to retro-fit. Even if you did manage to retro-fit, you won't be getting warranty on it like you would get on factory-fitted one. It will be a hit or miss, so I think its a risk not worth it. My advice would be to buy a bike with ABS if you are really keen on ABS, otherwise just forget about retro-fitting a component which is meant for safety but would rather be unsafe if retro-fitted. Still if you are not convinced, then ask your dealer to give in writing with dealer stamp saying that ABS would be retro-fitted once available. I am sure the dealer would try to dodge the request. They need a sale, so the dealers tend to say a yes for everything you ask. Try asking if they can retro-fit the FI system, they might just say yes. :P
If there was another refined 200cc+ motorcycle available in the 1.5L budget I had, I would have bought it. Yes there is the FZ25, and being a Fz16 owner myself, it was my first choice. But no ABS options, only marginally more power and no advantage of a 6th gear all combined did not merit spending an additional 30k. Coming from a Yamaha, I'd never buy a Bajaj product until they start prioritising refinement and quality over power and bragging rights. Honda has nothing apart from the CBR, and therefore the Apache it is.
And I am fairly confident that TVS will provide the ABS update by mid 2017.
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Lets hope you are right. I shall get back to this by mid 2017 then. I've never heard of any Indian manufacturer which retro-fitted the ABS module before, so this should be interesting.Originally posted by ALI.R View PostIt was not a decision based solely on ABS being retrofitted later. But it sure did tilt it in the Apache's favour. The ABS module is already being used on the export version for quite a while now - clearly that means TVS have tested and clocked it considerably already. The mount points are already there and then electronics are in place to support it. There is no reason why it cannot be fitted later. If there was another refined 200cc+ motorcycle available in the 1.5L budget I had, I would have bought it. Yes there is the FZ25, and being a Fz16 owner myself, it was my first choice. But no ABS options, only marginally more power and no advantage of a 6th gear all combined did not merit spending an additional 30k. Coming from a Yamaha, I'd never buy a Bajaj product until they start prioritising refinement and quality over power and bragging rights. Honda has nothing apart from the CBR, and therefore the Apache it is.
And I am fairly confident that TVS will provide the ABS update by mid 2017.
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The brakes feel useless initially. Wait for the kms to clock and then see how well the brakes work.Originally posted by ALI.R View PostBooked a Matt Red 200 4V (Pirelli version) earlier today, after waiting of months for a decent motorcycle to upgrade to from my Fz16. Budget, requirements and urgency taken into consideration, zeroed down on the Apache. Cost 1,19,345 OTR here in Kolkata. What tilted the balance in the Apache's ......
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.......sorted at least some of those out in its latest batch of motorcycles. Overall, the feedback seems to positive and based on several long term reviews up on the internet, I hope I have made a good buy. Even my FZ had a few niggles over its three years of ownership and I still totally loved it. So, I guess its comes to adjustment and embracing the shortcomings!
I'm sure it feels like someone's applied greese over it, isn't it?
I almost killed myself when i first rode the Apache in 2012. To my surprise now I look for the same feel on all the Motorcycles.
Also as you are coming from the FZ you'll not hear the grinding noise generally found on the bybres.
Btw congratulations and amazing choice! Like your thinking and the fact that you've read the thread through-ly.
Enjoy the Motorcycle! & ride safe
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I need a suggestion from experts over here..
I would like to change my rear disk pads as they are out of warranty and have been making some silly noise. Earlier it used to squeak but now there is like whistling sound everytime I apply rear brakes.
This happened within 2 kms and 5mins after the rear disk was cleaned with sand paper at Service Centre.
So anyone can suggest any other good brake pads to increase the braking performance?
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Thank you for the encouragement! I am hearing good things about the braking in RTR too. There is a reason it was awarded Bike of the Year 2016!Originally posted by JS16 View PostThe brakes feel useless initially. Wait for the kms to clock and then see how well the brakes work.
I'm sure it feels like someone's applied greese over it, isn't it?
I almost killed myself when i first rode the Apache in 2012. To my surprise now I look for the same feel on all the Motorcycles.
Also as you are coming from the FZ you'll not hear the grinding noise generally found on the bybres.
Btw congratulations and amazing choice! Like your thinking and the fact that you've read the thread through-ly.
Enjoy the Motorcycle! & ride safe
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I am facing minor vibrations when bike is idle and it increases slightly when bike starts.First service is not done yet. Checked with SVC and they adjusted the RPM settings but still there are minor vibration ,they said its normal,is this notmal or do I need to check with another SVC.
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Hi Vishal,Originally posted by vishalpn View PostI am facing minor vibrations when bike is idle and it increases slightly when bike starts.First service is not done yet. Checked with SVC and they adjusted the RPM settings but still there are minor vibration ,they said its normal,is this notmal or do I need to check with another SVC.
Minor vibrations are acceptable in new bike and should get smoothen out as you clock more kilometers. Stick to normal run in period till 1000 kms.
During your service, ask svc guys to use Tvs Tru4 synthetic oil only which costs around 600 for 1.2 litres.
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Try changing the brake pads and observe if the sound/screeching subsides. Usually, it's a glazed or worn pad that makes those screeching sound. Secondly, there is no point sanding the rotor as rotors any how clean themselves from the pad friction. All the carbon, glazing is deposited and done on the pad themselves which causes all sorts of problems. Considering the bike's new, I'd suggest you replace the pads, observe. If you aren't satisfied, change both the pads and rotor.Originally posted by akshayrathi View PostI need a suggestion from experts over here..
I would like to change my rear disk pads as they are out of warranty and have been making some silly noise. Earlier it used to squeak but now there is like whistling sound everytime I apply rear brakes.
This happened within 2 kms and 5mins after the rear disk was cleaned with sand paper at Service Centre.
So anyone can suggest any other good brake pads to increase the braking performance?
Tappet sound on cold start indicates off slack tappets, would need clearance check. Secondly, hot engines, do produce slight tappet sounds and should subside when the engine starts revving. But if it's the opposite and you start hearing too tappet sounds throughout the rev range, check your timing chain and tappet clearance. As akshayrathi mentioned in his post, replacing the head of his motorcycle; can be pushed under warranty.Originally posted by Nitish Singla View PostHey guys, has anyone observed tappet noise after 15-20 kms of running?
Did my first highway run of 60 kms at 70-80 kmph and I could hear the tappet noise pretty well at idle rpm's post running.
I was pretty impressed with the bike's performance and handling capabilities
Cheers!
VJ
Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
The girl said, 'NO!'
And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.
THE END
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I need to purchase new brake pads as they are not in warranty anymore. They say after 2000 kms they won't be able to replace under warranty.. Thus I was seeking advice about any other high performance brake pads to improve the rear braking performance.Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostTry changing the brake pads and observe if the sound/screeching subsides. Usually, it's a glazed or worn pad that makes those screeching sound. Secondly, there is no point sanding the rotor as rotors any how clean themselves from the pad friction. All the carbon, glazing is deposited and done on the pad themselves which causes all sorts of problems. Considering the bike's new, I'd suggest you replace the pads, observe. If you aren't satisfied, change both the pads and rotor.
Cheers!
VJ
Apache's rear brake pads costs Rs. 400 over here in Mumbai. If spending that amount I get better quality ones, I would go with them..
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Thanks [MENTION=39214]B7ACKTHORN[/MENTION] . There is no tappet sound when the engine is cold, neither tappet sound increases with the RPM's. The sound is observable only after highway run. Also, I am used to pulsar 150(UG4)'s tappet sound. My RTR produces more sound than pulsar post highway run.Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostTappet sound on cold start indicates off slack tappets, would need clearance check. Secondly, hot engines, do produce slight tappet sounds and should subside when the engine starts revving. But if it's the opposite and you start hearing too tappet sounds throughout the rev range, check your timing chain and tappet clearance. As akshayrathi mentioned in his post, replacing the head of his motorcycle; can be pushed under warranty.
Cheers!
VJ
One thing to mention is that my bike is running on mineral oil instead of semi synthetic and I have driven around 700 kms on mineral oil.
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Nice video. Saw your another video on spark plug and carburettor service. Can you also make video on chain adjustments and other DIY stuff? It will help a lot to other fellow riders.Originally posted by Traveller01 View Posthttps://youtu.be/-ntGmU0Q1Lo
Hope this video will help fellow RTR riders to maintain their ride.
Link to the spark plug and carburettor adjustment video.
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Thanks [MENTION=70660]Nitish Singla[/MENTION] for the appreciation. Yes more videos are in making, for the time being you can make use of these
https://youtu.be/fRrpGX-SH4o Headlamp performance comparison between Dominar 400 and RTR 200.
Good thing about 200 is that it shares a lot of parts with RTR 180/160 like mirrors, oil filter, levers (brake,clutch,gear) front brake etc. So we can safely say that maintenance costs will be at par with its siblings.Last edited by Traveller01; 02-23-2017, 12:45 PM.
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