Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

The most simpliest is to look for the
ABS switch..

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

with 6 th gear city ride would be difficult for such low torque

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Three easy ways, (actually four, look for the "ABS" sticker, TVS loves ABS stickers!)
1. There will be a speed sensor rings on the front and rear axle.
2. When you turn the key to Ign. the console will calibrate and a ABS lamp (amber colour) will be blinking. Once you cross a certain speed, the ABS light will go off.
3. A HECU will be present on an ABS bike.

Take a look at this, RTR200 ABS will be similar :- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/news/172...-launched.html

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Then I'm assuming the AS/NS/RS all have that issue with the 6th gear? 😅😅

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AS and RS are 6 speed. Aren't they?

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Yes indeed. That's is what I've been asking..

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Ask the owners they will tell u about the gear shift in city ride. TVS apache 200 has been promoted as city bike and adding 6th gear may help in long ride but not city which is not the intention of this bike. A perfectly spaced 5 speed will do the job both is city and highway. Yamaha is good at this.
And when i said difficult, it doesnt mean u cant ride in city, but the easiness and readily available torque will be missed.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Both of your statements don't match. But anyway 18.1Nm and 18.2Nm don't have a huge margin.
Going by your statement the AS-NS are difficult to ride in the city with such low torque and the 6th gear.
Also, how does Yamaha suddenly come here? And which Yamaha has a pefectly balanced 5 speed gearbox? The R15 for example knocks when doing 35kmph in 6th gear.

Coming to gear shifting not really sure what you mean by it, but I'm assuming you are talking about the ratios here? Or could you clarify a bit more.

Your last line here suggests that TVS has done a good job by skipping the 6th gear for the city as on 5th torque will be readily available?

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Since both has similar torque and with one gear less the torque will have more spike than the spread out characteristic with 6 speed.
In short 6th gear is not always necessary. if this bike is a tourer then 6th gear makes sense. Otherwise 5 speed is sufficient.
But when u add 6th gear, iam not sure how the additional required torque will be achieved then. And if 6th gear is added with the same torque figure then no point in boasting city bike.

And for Yamaha, compare the detuned version FZ V2 and original V1, they mostly played in gear ratio( weight reduction being another factor) and achieved better result. I would never compare R15 because it is a top end performer.

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"And if 6th gear is added with the same torque figure then no point in boasting city bike."

I don't really get your points but this point interests me.
So what's the conclusion? 5 gears with perfectly matched Ratios or 6th gear to loiter around the city, knocking?

Fz, oh yeah that bike. Its 3kgs lighter now? 137kgs right? The better result you are talking about was surpassed by other manufacturers before the bike was even launched.

Also i hope you haven't forgotten the torque curve, yes? Anyway I was just wanting to see your views as it wasn't really very clear in neither of the statements.
Have a good day! Cheers

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For 18.1NM @7000rpm they have calculated some ratio and provided 5 speed with torque being divided into 5 parts. Now if they want to give it 6 speed for the same torque , then they have to revise the gear ratio and now the 18.1NM has been divided into 6 parts.
so basically 5 speed will have more torque in every gear compared to 6 speed keeping 18.1NM @ 7000rpm constant which will result in better acceleration at low and mid range .
Now if they want to take advantage of the 6th gear, then they have to increase the torque by making it a little more high revving engine which will result in little more max torque at little more higher rpm. The catch is it will help you in the top end and not at low/mid range where the city riding comes into play.
This is a big link where everything accounts, the max rpm at which max torque achieved, the gear ratio and no. of speeds and all these things will represent in the Curve.

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I had attended a workshop last month where the guy speaking was a freelancer having worked with TVS on a lot of their bikes, Specially in their racing line - up. He went into story telling mode and revealed why they didn't add 6th gear in the Apace Rtr 200.. He said that they were developing a new 6-speed gearbox for the bike but it just wasn't working the way they were expecting it to..they had lost crucial time testing it, making changes and testing it again. It all sounds very easy to a consumer but real testing takes a lot of time. Finally there was a lot of pressure regarding this issue since the launch date was nearing.. What they did is made some changes in then rtr180 5-speed gearbox and it turned out to be working perfectly. Ofcourse the initial goal was of 6 gears but it just didn't go the way they wanted.. There will be an upgrade somewhere down the line in the upcoming years where maybe we will get to see the 6th gear.
The guy had told us to keep all these things to ourselves and not talk about it to other people because they were company matters but I couldn't help writing this Sorry TVS.

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They got it right. Adding 6th gear may be a tough challenge to make it city bike. Even though they will have basic blue print on the gearing but making it to the desirable output is a challenge. A bad gearing would spoil the engine performance.
One thing is sure, if RTR 200 can be over geared by sprocketing then it will be a better tourer considering it peaks the output at comparatively low revs.

Help this rookie in understanding the RTR 200 and not screwing it

Hello fellas.

I purchased Apache RTR 200 2 weeks back and have got some doubts in working and condition of bike.
have posted some questions in ownership thread - [Ownership Thread]: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V - Page 13
some info of purchase and other stuff.

Do not have much experience of geared bikes(have been driving gear less for sometime).
Took the display bike from showroom as showroom had not any info regarding my model booked by me was in need to replace the that time commute.
ODO was Zero at time
PDI was not done in front of me as I went 3 times in a day they mentioned for PDI (my office is near to showroom) and every time they told PDI team has not come yet
went again in evening and they told PDI is done and bike is registered.
I had checked the bike condition and it was not driven(as per tire thread and hairs, I hope they do not change the tires). I am little pessimist .

My questions

1. rear wheel does not move much freely in a)neutral and b)clutch pressed while in gear(standstill). same was checked while delivery and sales person told bike is new so break would take some time to adjust.(I compared the a old P180 rear wheel same condition ).
2. I feel some movement in clutch lever while in 2nd, 3rd gear and using the throttle. On release of throttle , clutch lever move forward a little bit like it was depressed while accelerating or twisting the throttle.
3. 1.b and 2nd related ?
4. it has been 350 KMs and I have driven 200 KM with a pillion 120 on highway and rest in city, is it troublesome?
5. there is no clear run in info in booklet, I am attaching the photo here. It says max speed 50KM/h and vary the RPM. no mention of RPM and you know there are many RPM band to drive the 50KM/h speed.
6. Any harm done to bike ? explanation- I drove till 100 twice on highway, it was like touchdown, go up slowly and then lower the speed, no sudden acceleration. then mostly around 50-70KM/h. I was doing my best to vary the rpm and drive it to all gear. like start from 1st gear go till 5th for some speed and then gradually coming down. I never reached 7K RPM which the RPM limiter has been setup in all this run.
7. Should I worry ? I am not sure what engine oil has been filled currently(I did not ask) and in booklet it is mentioned that always use fully synthetic Engine Oil. and it has been recommended everywhere to use mineral engine oil for new bikes during run in period.

Bike is all good other than above mentioned stuffs, seat is quite good as I did not feel any stress on my butt in long saddle, pickup is good(coming from 100 cc bike ), stock tires are good enough, no skidding so far(had booke Pirreli ) .Its heavy but does not feel like in traffic .

Please share your thoughts and suggest what can I do for betterment of bike.

Please move/merge this post to other if applicable.

Thanks in Advance.

Re: Help this rookie in understanding the RTR 200 and not screwing it

These are ownership queries so i have merged it back here.

If you are comparing a bike with a rear disc, with one that doesn't, then the former will seem more resistant to movement than the latter.

Now that you mention it, i do remember the clutch having this odd behaviour. Maybe a characteristic feature of this bike, try getting the clutch adjusted at your first service.

You are worrying too much Relax and enjoy the ride