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  • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

    Originally posted by leech View Post
    @kris123456 - arre sirji, you know, I know. And the guys who designed the engine know more than both of us. They have designed the bike to ride at speed. No one is talking about Max rpm riding. Calm down.
    Sirji, Biggest Designer is God. God gave us legs, using which we can run at more than 20 KMPh. Try running for half hour. But You cant do it.
    Try walking at 6 KMPh for 6 hours. You can do it.
    Companies make products to be reliable to a certain extent. All companies depend on returning customers. All companies have high percentage of Returning customers and less percentage of new customers. They want to keep the old customers to come back.

    Originally posted by Mandar_C500 View Post
    [MBS] Lubrication is not the sole purpose if oil. Oil is also used for heat reduction.
    [MBS] for the Air cooled engines, head reaches at the highest point in the B2B traffic and not at high speed.
    [MBS] I disagree on this point. Due to rich mixture bike will bogs down or may loose power.
    I beg to differ on few of the points above. Please see my response above
    Heat is the output. If the oil lubricates, it gets crushed between parts, which transfers heat to oil. if you are rotating at 12000 RPM, Are you allowing oil to get into parts and lubricate and transfer heat? Why Race bikes on track use 0 w 20/30/40 oil? They want oil to be like water to keep Lubricating the engine and they dont care about its reliability. It should run for that race. That's it. Do we use such low viscocity oils? why don't we use? because, consumer products are meant for longevity and also not revved like Race bikes.
    Riding at max RPM is not bad. But continuously maintaining that RPM on highways.. is bad in my books.

    Agreed. Head reaches max temperature in B2B traffic, but that wouldnt cause much damage. Because Engine RPM would hardly be 1K or 1.5K. The amount of friction generated by Rings is less. But at high speed, even though head temperature is less, the RPM is 10 times more. When a component moves that fast, it does some damage.

    At high RPM, engine doesn't bog down. The valves movement and pistons movement are so fast, the pressure of the piston is so high that The air fuel mixture gets compressed and combustion happens. Combustion effectiveness is questionable, depending on the bike. Unburned fuel gets ejected into exit chamber. and some remains get transferred to piston as junk.

    Some people said, even they rode their bikes at max RPM but they are running fine.
    The damage can only be assessed when the engine is opened. Also, valves quality should also be considered.

    Just check any bike's Torque and power charts. Where they meet, thats the max point. Anything above it is just for fun.

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    • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

      Originally posted by kris123456 View Post
      Do you know that Oil thins at high temperature affecting lubrication, which is the sole purpose of oil to be in Oil chamber.
      Is it!
      I thought oil gets thicker since we are using multigrade oils like 10w50
      viscosity is 10 at cold temperature
      viscosity is 50 at 100 degree
      so it should be thicker.
      My understanding may be wrong, correct me if so.
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      • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

        Hello All,

        I am going to book my FZ25 on 28th feb and planning to take delivery on 2nd week of March 2018 from Monarch Yamaha Pune, i had few queries:

        1. How do i ensure that i am getting a bike manufactured in 2018.
        2. Secondly i am not getting a test drive bike.
        3. any other advise as deemed fit.

        FYI, i have made myself well versed with PDI and run-in.

        Thanks

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        • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

          Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
          Is it!
          I thought oil gets thicker since we are using multigrade oils like 10w50

          My understanding may be wrong, correct me if so.
          10W 50 means, oil has its lubrication properties between these temperatures and it should work as expected. But Oil thins at high temperature. Take kitchen oil. see how thick it is. Put it in a kadai and heat it to 100. See how it looks like, just like water. Moves like water.

          There are splendors which ran over 1.5L without touching the engine. there are others who opened engine at just 20K. depends on how one maintains and uses it. Lets end this debate here.

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          • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

            Originally posted by kris123456 View Post
            10W 50 means, oil has its lubrication properties between these temperatures and it should work as expected. But Oil thins at high temperature. Take kitchen oil. see how thick it is. Put it in a kadai and heat it to 100. See how it looks like, just like water. Moves like water.
            That's a myth bro!
            For some more info, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil#Multi-grade

            Cheers
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            • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

              Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
              Is it!
              I thought oil gets thicker since we are using multigrade oils like 10w50
              viscosity is 10 at cold temperature
              viscosity is 50 at 100 degree
              so it should be thicker.
              My understanding may be wrong, correct me if so.
              Yes, you are right. A 10w50 oil will 'thicken' to 50 weight at 100 degrees C. A 10w30 oil will stay at 10 weight cold, and when the engine heats up to optimal temperature, the oil will behave like a 30 weight oil.

              Apparently to our Kris123456, cooking oil in the kadai has the same properties as carefully formulated multigrade engine oil meant for high performance engines. This is advanced knowledge for me.

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              • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                Originally posted by leech View Post
                For God's sake, guys, its a frigging sportsbike! It's meant to be revved up till the redline! If you baby the bike buy riding it slow, there will be carbon deposits building up in your engine and one fine day, boom! Engine problems.

                The sweet spot for touring on any bike is dependant on the road and traffic conditions, and 80% of the bikes top speed. For the FZ25 that would be 120 kmph. Not 90. Honda Hornet and Unicorn can cruise at 90 all day under normal conditions.
                Can you please elaborate on the highlighted statement above?

                If one wants, they can ride at 140 kmph too all day, but it is not called cruising!
                2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
                2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                2013 - KTM 390 Duke
                2017 - Yamaha FZ25

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                • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                  Originally posted by Swapraj1872
                  TO get a bike manuf in 2018 , you will need to check with the sales Manager if the bikes from 2018 has arrived at dealership . the sales rep told me that they still order 4- 5 bikes of 2018 Manf on every Lot even if they have NOV -DEC manf bikes already avilable in Stock. So you need to make a deal with the sales guy if he will be able to alot you a bike.
                  i personally made a deal to select my bike after checking out 5 bikes . i went to their store room took half an hour to select the bike to ensure every thing is ok and then take the deal ahead !
                  always ensure taht you have more options to choose from so they cant hand over a faulty peace to you and you later regeret !

                  which showroom you selected for purchase of Bike?

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                  • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                    Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                    Can you please elaborate on the highlighted statement above?

                    If one wants, they can ride at 140 kmph too all day, but it is not called cruising!
                    I heard about a unicorn owner whose engine suffered from low compression or had seized. His mechanic mentioned the carbon deposits in his engine were the cause. A high speed run of the bike will clear out the deposits from the engine, which the owner probably didn't do as he said he didn't go above 60-70 kmph.


                    Nobody is discussing about wants or needs, but cruising speed for a bike. Re read my original post please.

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                    • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                      Originally posted by kris123456 View Post
                      Heat is the output. If the oil lubricates, it gets crushed between parts, which transfers heat to oil. if you are rotating at 12000 RPM, Are you allowing oil to get into parts and lubricate and transfer heat? [MBS] Yes, It does gets into the engine part and lubricate and exchange the heat.
                      Why Race bikes on track use 0 w 20/30/40 oil? They want oil to be like water to keep Lubricating the engine and they dont care about its reliability.
                      [MBS]: Race engines uses low viscosity oil for may other reasons than just lubrication. one of them is heat transfer, cleaning and less resistance to moving parts.
                      It should run for that race. That's it. Do we use such low viscocity oils? why don't we use? because, consumer products are meant for longevity and also not revved like Race bikes.
                      [MBS] You cannot compare Race bikes and with street bikes. its all together a different ball game. Average RPM a street bike cruise on is 5K RPM (normally).
                      Riding at max RPM is not bad. But continuously maintaining that RPM on highways.. is bad in my books.
                      [MBS] On highway , if you are riding at 120 KMPH (on TOP Gear of course) what is the MAX RPM 5K to 6K MAX. its not a high RPM
                      Agreed. Head reaches max temperature in B2B traffic, but that wouldnt cause much damage. Because Engine RPM would hardly be 1K or 1.5K.
                      [MBS] Its myth, its high temp which causes the issue and not high RPM.
                      The amount of friction generated by Rings is less. But at high speed, even though head temperature is less, the RPM is 10 times more. When a component moves that fast, it does some damage.
                      [MBS] what might be the speed of any bike at 10K or 15K RPM on top gear? any guess.


                      At high RPM, engine doesn't bog down. The valves movement and pistons movement are so fast, the pressure of the piston is so high that The air fuel mixture gets compressed and combustion happens. Combustion effectiveness is questionable, depending on the bike. Unburned fuel gets ejected into exit chamber. and some remains get transferred to piston as junk.
                      [MBS] do you think that motion of piston, input and exhaust values are not in syn? if they are not in sync, valves or piston will get damage soon, (and not in long term)
                      Some people said, even they rode their bikes at max RPM but they are running fine.
                      The damage can only be assessed when the engine is opened. Also, valves quality should also be considered.

                      Just check any bike's Torque and power charts. Where they meet, thats the max point. Anything above it is just for fun.
                      Again, my replies are in bold above.

                      P.S. This is just a technical discussion and don't mean to offend any body

                      Regards
                      Mandar

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                      • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                        Originally posted by leech View Post
                        I heard about a unicorn owner whose engine suffered from low compression or had seized. His mechanic mentioned the carbon deposits in his engine were the cause. A high speed run of the bike will clear out the deposits from the engine, which the owner probably didn't do as he said he didn't go above 60-70 kmph.


                        Nobody is discussing about wants or needs, but cruising speed for a bike. Re read my original post please.
                        I am still curious on carbon deposit thingy. How does the high speed run help clear out the deposit and where will this deposit go one cleared?

                        Read your original post, 120kmph on fz25 can be done all day. But it can cruise best at 90kmph where the engine is stress-free.
                        2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                        2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
                        2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                        2013 - KTM 390 Duke
                        2017 - Yamaha FZ25

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                        • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                          Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                          I am still curious on carbon deposit thingy. How does the high speed run help clear out the deposit and where will this deposit go one cleared?

                          Read your original post, 120kmph on fz25 can be done all day. But it can cruise best at 90kmph where the engine is stress-free.
                          I really don't have time to type this is different threads. Please read shiv18's CBR thread. Psr ji has explained it much better than I can.

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                          • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                            shv18 has mentioned about carbon deposits in the throttle body and NOT the engine. PSR sir has mentioned how the carbon deposits from throttle body gets striped away at mid/high rpms but not the engine.
                            The carbon deposits in the engine has to be cleaned with a clean rag after opening the combustion chamber, nothing can clean them away magically.

                            .Peace.

                            P.S. : took me 40 mins in middle of work to read through the post but was worth it.

                            Originally posted by leech View Post
                            I heard about a unicorn owner whose engine suffered from low compression or had seized. His mechanic mentioned the carbon deposits in his engine were the cause. A high speed run of the bike will clear out the deposits from the engine, which the owner probably didn't do as he said he didn't go above 60-70 kmph.


                            Nobody is discussing about wants or needs, but cruising speed for a bike. Re read my original post please.
                            Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                            I am still curious on carbon deposit thingy. How does the high speed run help clear out the deposit and where will this deposit go one cleared?

                            Read your original post, 120kmph on fz25 can be done all day. But it can cruise best at 90kmph where the engine is stress-free.
                            Originally posted by leech View Post
                            I really don't have time to type this is different threads. Please read shiv18's CBR thread. Psr ji has explained it much better than I can.

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                            • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                              Originally posted by neeljinwala View Post
                              shv18 has mentioned about carbon deposits in the throttle body and NOT the engine. PSR sir has mentioned how the carbon deposits from throttle body gets striped away at mid/high rpms but not the engine.
                              The carbon deposits in the engine has to be cleaned with a clean rag after opening the combustion chamber, nothing can clean them away magically.

                              .Peace.

                              P.S. : took me 40 mins in middle of work to read through the post but was worth it.
                              Thanks a lot for clarification and taking time out to provide the details.

                              Carbon deposits will form generally on piston and head. These cant' be just removed with higher rpm run!
                              Roadside mechanics will tend to scrape them off, but this is not suggested. Removing these deposits will have minor changes in compression ratio which may lead to some catastrophic damage to the engine.

                              I did fair bit of touring on my 390 which had closed close to 50000 km in 3 years. My opinion of its cruising speed is around 110-120 kmph has its liquid cooled and can handle the workload well at higher RPMs.

                              However, FZ25 has simple air cooled engine with oil cooling assistance. It can handle 120 kmph speed, but you can hear it screaming for mercy!
                              2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                              2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
                              2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
                              2013 - KTM 390 Duke
                              2017 - Yamaha FZ25

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                              • Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

                                Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

                                However, FZ25 has simple air cooled engine with oil cooling assistance. It can handle 120 kmph speed, but you can hear it screaming for mercy!
                                That scream is just because exhaust note, not stressed engine. Had it been silent exhaust like other hondas, people would have called it butter smooth. If you listen and focus only engine area at high speed on fz25, its rythemic and smooth.

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