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  • @ Above_all - that's nice , keep a spare set of the air-filter elements , then you can just swap out the dirty one in a few mins whenever it's needed . Clean/dry/re-oil the dirty one when you find some time later,and store it for next use . This way your engine shall breathe clean & well always . Splendor+ is a very sensitive to clogged air-filter as I observed, it reduces fuel mileage a lot .
    Last edited by Pinaki; 01-27-2012, 12:12 AM.

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    • Splendor+ got clear lens turn indicators

      Like everyone's else, my turn indicators were old style amber lens clear bulb type .



      I felt this was less visible to other traffic in daylight use . Is that why newer bikes are all comming with clear lens & amber bulb as OEM ? Dunno for sure. Anyway I had decided to do something about this already ( as soon as the new splendor pro model was launched with clear lens indicators ) . So I got a set of these from Bansal motors in Kolkata(near jyoti cinema hall) ,authorised herohonda stockists for WB . 25 Rs apiece . Checked a month back , but they didn't have stock then .


      And a set of these from local Bajaj parts dealer . Lumax made , 8 Rs apiece , not as good quality as I wish . They are not amber glass , but just clear bulbs coated with a transparent amber film . Anyone knows who makes/sells 12v 10w real amber-glass bulbs of this type here ?



      Dismantled the old turn indicators carefully .



      The new lenses doesn't come with these parts , so you got to save and reuse them from the old lens .



      So now my turn indicators look like this



      And this



      What do you say guys ?
      Hopefully now the innumerable cycle rickshaws here in south-kolkata will stop crashing into me from behind everytime I take a turn . Now that's wishing for too much for 132 Rs & Kolkata .
      Last edited by Pinaki; 01-29-2012, 12:30 AM.

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      • Pinaki Jee
        That is a simple mod and it looks good too.
        I wanted to change it(Splendor's ) but it costs Rs.360 for four indicators and Clear lens was not in stock.

        I have changed the rear indicators twice this week on my dad's passion as it broke in parking lot.total cost 90+180(First time replaced it with duplicate,second time with original part)
        (Duplicate costs 90 for 1 pair and original costs 180 for 1 pair.)
        It breaks from the rubber joint and hangs on two wires. .
        Any solution for this ?
        Last edited by shoeb2015; 01-29-2012, 12:27 AM.

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        • I am looking out for a clear rear brake lens too.
          As I am using an led array.
          Can you be online for some more time so that I can take some pictures of it and post it here ?

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          • The part numbers I got are 33452KWH960S(LENS WINKER L) and 33402KWH960S(LENS WINKER R) . These are for the new splendor pro model , direct fit on all splendors (except the NXG I think).
            Yeah , that breaking from rubber part and hanging in there by the two wires happens a lot on my RX , but for that bike that rubber neck part only is available cheaply and easy to fit . I'll have to examine my friends passion and get back to you about that asap .
            I'm considering LED conversion of indicators, tail-lamp & brake light soon too . Looking for ideas on that .
            Sure shoeb'jee .. I'm staying put for you here right now ..
            Last edited by Pinaki; 01-29-2012, 12:36 AM.

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            • Posting few pictures

              Led rear brake lights

              (Note-Two led's are not functioning )

              Total no. of leds-18
              Cost-18x3=54 (Ultra bright,ordered more than 200 leds so it cost me less)
              General purpose board-should cost around 20(I used left over pieces from previous projects)
              Resistors-2rs

              Total=Rs.76/-








              Passion's broken rear indicators.



              Last edited by shoeb2015; 01-29-2012, 12:45 AM.

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              • Darns , both of them broke !! No , I don't think that rubber part can be replaced individually .. unlike the yamaha RX's . Check shops for that part only anyway. You could try mixing up some two-part epoxy adhesive like Fevitite, Araldite or Yamapoxy and glue-ing it back together with it . Note that epoxy adhesive doesn't stick instantly , and you'll have to duct-tape the parts together and leave it like that overnight to set . Once set , epoxy adhesive shall not break off easily , so avoid putting glue on the wires .
                LED mod of backlight is very good , very bright too .. which type LEDs did you get ? It would be better if the LEDs weren't visible individually .. i.e could we put some sort of diffuser/screen after the LEDs ?
                Another problem is that the tail-lamp works on AC and the brake-light on DC . LEDs work on DC only, no ? How did you solve that ?
                Last edited by Pinaki; 01-29-2012, 12:56 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                  @ Above_all - that's nice , keep a spare set of the air-filter elements , then you can just swap out the dirty one in a few mins whenever it's needed . Clean/dry/re-oil the dirty one when you find some time later,and store it for next use . This way your engine shall breathe clean & well always . Splendor+ is a very sensitive to clogged air-filter as I observed, it reduces fuel mileage a lot .
                  I got my 9 year old air filter element damaged while trying to remove it . So i have to throw them when i put the new one .

                  Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                  Like everyone's else, my turn indicators were old style amber lens clear bulb type .

                  And a set of these from local Bajaj parts dealer . Lumax made , 8 Rs apiece , not as good quality as I wish . They are not amber glass , but just clear bulbs coated with a transparent amber film . Anyone knows who makes/sells 12v 10w real amber-glass bulbs of this type here ?
                  I changed my passion's lens to clear one before 5/6 years , they are not clearly transparent as these days passion has .
                  I think herohonda would provide amber bulbs as almost every bike come with amber indicator .
                  But best bet is get a gilletin paper of orange color of 2 rupees & cover the origional yellow bulb with 2/3 layers of it . I am using that way

                  Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                  What do you say guys ?
                  Hopefully now the innumerable cycle rickshaws here in south-kolkata will stop crashing into me from behind everytime I take a turn . Now that's wishing for too much for 132 Rs & Kolkata .
                  I have heard that from my engg classmates , traffice is very harsh & rough there .

                  Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                  It breaks from the rubber joint and hangs on two wires. .
                  Any solution for this ?
                  The rubber is available in market for 15 rupees , i have changed it couple of time .

                  Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                  I am looking out for a clear rear brake lens too.
                  Add me to wishlist .

                  Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
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                  I'm considering LED conversion of indicators, tail-lamp & brake light soon too . Looking for ideas on that .
                  I have searched for smd led bulbs on ebay for indicators ba9s & for brake light 1157 , but not found any cheap one , would wait for some more time as duke is just launched with led indicators , so it would take some time for the duplicate indicators to come in market .

                  Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                  People recommend against it on public forums , I don't have an idea why .. unless you are engaged in some illegal activity on that bike , shouldn't be a problem .
                  I think its for privacy . And to be safe from illegal activity .

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                  • Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                    I got my 9 year old air filter element damaged while trying to remove it . So i have to throw them when i put the new one .
                    Good time to buy two !! , they aren't very costly but not available always and as I said , keeping a spare set would take out all the hassle & time out of a air-filter change .
                    I changed my passion's lens to clear one before 5/6 years , they are not clearly transparent as these days passion has .
                    I think herohonda would provide amber bulbs as almost every bike come with amber indicator .
                    But best bet is get a gilletin paper of orange color of 2 rupees & cover the origional yellow bulb with 2/3 layers of it . I am using that way
                    Great idea !! amber-colour cellophane paper ? nice nice Herohonda parts are seriously overpriced and always out of stock , so for these simpler common parts I turn to bajaj . The damned HeroHonda Service I have here is making hassle too, saying "over the counter parts sale has been stopped" , you have to take bike to them to fit parts and pay full service charge etc etc bunkum .
                    I have heard that from my engg classmates , traffice is very harsh & rough there .
                    Suicidal to ride above 30 most of the day , no traffic rules here in the part I live and work . Plus no emergency medical system at all .
                    The rubber is available in market for 15 rupees , i have changed it couple of time .
                    For the passion's indicators ? That would be great for shoeb'jee .. like I said I get that neck-only part for RX, about that price too .
                    ....
                    Answering in bold above .
                    Last edited by Pinaki; 01-29-2012, 01:24 AM.

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                    • Got this rubber necks for Rs.40/-
                      It cost me rs 10 more because I got it today(Sunday)

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                      • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                        LED mod of backlight is very good , very bright too .. which type LEDs did you get ? It would be better if the LEDs weren't visible individually .. i.e could we put some sort of diffuser/screen after the LEDs ?
                        Another problem is that the tail-lamp works on AC and the brake-light on DC . LEDs work on DC only, no ? How did you solve that ?
                        I want individual led's to be visible so I fixed the leds very close to the lens.

                        Rear brakes lights work on DC but the light which gets on when you switch HL works on AC.
                        Just by putting A capacitor and 1n4000 diode it can run on Ac flicker free.

                        IF you don't want leds to be visible fix leds far from the lens or use use a LED cree emitter like this
                        1 watt LED emitter

                        Last edited by shoeb2015; 01-29-2012, 05:20 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                          Got this rubber necks for Rs.40/-
                          It cost me rs 10 more because I got it today(Sunday)
                          that's great , one problem licked .

                          Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                          I want individual led's to be visible so I fixed the leds very close to the lens.
                          Rear brakes lights work on DC but the light which gets on when you switch HL works on AC.
                          Just by putting A capacitor and 1n4000 diode it can run on Ac flicker free.
                          IF you don't want leds to be visible fix leds far from the lens or use use a LED cree emitter like this
                          1 watt LED emitter ...
                          Ok , thanks , that clears up my doubt about ac/dc+LEDs now. Ok , I have got 1 watt LEDs just like this but I am not wanting to use these . They heat up and have heatsinks build in, not so reliable in long term . One of my goals for the LED mod is long term reliability and life exceeding that of the current 10watt 12v incandescent bulbs at least by a factor of 2 . So I am looking for other type lower watt but bright LEDs . Also with tail-lamps the purpose is not to illuminate the road or anything , but just be clearly visible to other traffic by the light . So I thing lower wattage LED's will do just fine . No ?

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                          • Filter assembly do disintegrate while washing with petrol but it will not get damaged so soon. it will easily last for 15k km with washing with petrol.
                            Filter material disintegrates if it is quite old.
                            Timing chain that are now coming are not the same quality as before as when i bought my joy in 2001 then the timing chain used to cost 300 rupees and came in Honda packing imported from japan but now it is Indian made and they also come from two suppliers.
                            1. Hero
                            2.Rolon
                            If it is Rolon then it will last for 20k km else if it is hero then look for sound at around 10k mark.
                            3 things you must never buy hero Honda original are :-
                            1. Racer set- Buy skf or even local "top" company and they will outlast original replacement. not applicable for new model hero honda with cage and bigger racer.

                            2.brake shoe- Use "ask" as they are OE supplier to hero and they are cheaper and provide much better braking than original shoe. If you can get "anl" then they are best. Makino for those drums which are slightly worn out.
                            3. Chain sprocket- while changing look for the chain in OE packing and if it is hero then don't change it. Instead go for Rolon or Diamond chain sprocket kit which will easily last for 40k km.

                            New bore kit cost around 1500 rupees for splendor kit. But the new piston is of Sal( sunbeam auto limited, hero own ) and are quite shitty. Instead go for original Mahle 0.25 size piston and re bore from a good boring guy.
                            The Sal piston sometimes are defective and causes engine seizure. the new rings with the new bore has also excess gap and thus they leak oil at high rpm to combustion chamber. previously the bore piston cost 2200 rs in 2000 year and came with usha rings and pistons and were of far better quality.
                            If going for new bore kit then see if there id Sal piston. if it is then go for standard Mahle or GOETZE piston kit and throw the sal piston.
                            Photo of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/854067-post963.html-3.88 lac km cont....Ownership review of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/832255-post608.html- slowly updating as and when getting time. HERO HONDA CBZ EXTREME(2011) - 47K KM AND COUNTINGhttp://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post904152-carb tuning guide

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                            • Originally posted by sibun View Post
                              Filter assembly do disintegrate while washing with petrol but it will not get damaged so soon. it will easily last for 15k km with washing with petrol.
                              Filter material disintegrates if it is quite old.
                              Timing chain that are now coming are not the same quality as before as when i bought my joy in 2001 then the timing chain used to cost 300 rupees and came in Honda packing imported from japan but now it is Indian made and they also come from two suppliers.
                              1. Hero
                              2.Rolon
                              If it is Rolon then it will last for 20k km else if it is hero then look for sound at around 10k mark.
                              3 things you must never buy hero Honda original are :-
                              1. Racer set- Buy skf or even local "top" company and they will outlast original replacement. not applicable for new model hero honda with cage and bigger racer.

                              2.brake shoe- Use "ask" as they are OE supplier to hero and they are cheaper and provide much better braking than original shoe. If you can get "anl" then they are best. Makino for those drums which are slightly worn out.
                              3. Chain sprocket- while changing look for the chain in OE packing and if it is hero then don't change it. Instead go for Rolon or Diamond chain sprocket kit which will easily last for 40k km.

                              New bore kit cost around 1500 rupees for splendor kit. But the new piston is of Sal( sunbeam auto limited, hero own ) and are quite shitty. Instead go for original Mahle 0.25 size piston and re bore from a good boring guy.
                              The Sal piston sometimes are defective and causes engine seizure. the new rings with the new bore has also excess gap and thus they leak oil at high rpm to combustion chamber. previously the bore piston cost 2200 rs in 2000 year and came with usha rings and pistons and were of far better quality.
                              If going for new bore kit then see if there id Sal piston. if it is then go for standard Mahle or GOETZE piston kit and throw the sal piston.

                              Thanks for this information and your posts indicate that you have in depth knowledge in HH products.

                              Your post has helped me to solve the mystery of local spares out-performing OE Heromotocorp spares.

                              1.If i remember correctly,I noticed that when I changed brake-shoes to 'ANL'(OR some other make) it did not wear-out fast and braking was improved a lot but that brake shoe is not available in easily.

                              2.I was shocked when the original cam chain of my dad's passion lasted more than 100k and some of my friends told me that their new cam chains dont last more than 25k kms.
                              When I recently replaced the chain(2 weeks ago)It still makes some noise and it is not silent as the chain which came with the bike.

                              3.The "diamond" made chain is still going strong even after 7 years (splendor).

                              4.USHA pistons are available easily in Hyderabad.

                              5.New OE CBZ extreme's front disc are out of shape/uneven and have manufacturing defect.

                              List continues......................................... ......
                              Last edited by shoeb2015; 08-27-2012, 11:01 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                                that's great , one problem licked .

                                Ok , thanks , that clears up my doubt about ac/dc+LEDs now. Ok , I have got 1 watt LEDs just like this but I am not wanting to use these . They heat up and have heatsinks build in, not so reliable in long term . One of my goals for the LED mod is long term reliability and life exceeding that of the current 10watt 12v incandescent bulbs at least by a factor of 2

                                Your leds are over-heating probably due to the fact that you are feeding them to much current .
                                Try limiting the current by adding suitable resistors but before that check how much current it is consuming.
                                It should not be more than 312.5milli Amps if it is a 3.5volts led,if it is more use a resistor(Use a suitable resistor of 5watts so that it doesn't burn !!).


                                .
                                So I am looking for other type lower watt but bright LEDs . Also with tail-lamps the purpose is not to illuminate the road or anything , but just be clearly visible to other traffic by the light . So I thing lower wattage LED's will do just fine . No ?

                                Yes,1 watt led is so bright that it looks like a rear Headlight.
                                Fabricate/design a led array of any design you want.
                                Replies in bold.
                                Last edited by shoeb2015; 01-30-2012, 01:52 PM.

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