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**tvs fiero f2** · 03-30-2010, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by anthonydcruz View Post

Kaminey.................. You Doggy.

Heheh..arre amito, the R15 also would be there yaar. You know im not a brand specific person :P

Here are some pics which i have also posted on t-bhp.

**harshit.d** · 03-30-2010, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

You can use the side stand switch to avoid wear and tear of the kill switch

Good one!!!

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

Kill Switch : The most common way is to interrupt a circuit that brings electricity to a spark plug. With the spark plug no longer active, the engine's pistons cannot function and the entire motor grinds to a stop. This approach, while effective, can cause unfortunate side effects such as backfiring, where the remaining gasoline in the engine explodes.

I don't know how true this is but even if its correct then to avoid this one can use the kill switch when the bike comes to a halt rather than using it while the vehicle is still on the move!!

And regarding the re-doing of initializing that would totally be unecessary. Its like one the ECU and other circuitry is active they would be on continuous polling of all components to check for any error and that's the reason we get error indication up whenever there is any error in any of the component or the circuitry.

Its like using the switch for a tubelight to switch it off rather than switching off the main switch to switch off.

**killer_instinct** · 03-30-2010, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

I don't wanna start a debate, but the kill switch is given for quick operation at signals etc.The purpose is not to run the self diagnosis check for Fi, radiator fan, etc.everytime, just the ignition on&off.
We had a long discussion on this in the R15 thread as well.
If anyone is thinking about the parking lamp, well, it hardly consumes power being DC electricals type.
The kill switch is given to be used, period.

Well you just did buddy

. Just to correct you on another thing which tenhut didn't mention in his perfect analysis below is that when you use the kill switch the Low beam (not the parking light or even the high beam if its on) stays on on the Ninja. Hence it will suck juice from the battery.

I don't want to sound mean, but this bike is very different from an R15.

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

I am gonna have this debate..

The kill switch is a mandate. It has to be put in near the throttle at the exact same position by all the manufacturers. The kill switch is a MANDATE.
Hence one cannot conclude that the kill switch is given by the manufacturers to be used. Period.

The same ShOULD happen everytime. No need to by-pass the tests.

Nothing on the bike is provided cause someone were a fool and someone werent. The kill switch has its own job to do. It kills the engine in an emergency. The button is 'RED' in colour for a reason. All emergency buttons are 'RED' in colour for a reason. Some bikes have ignition key slots in the wierdest possible position where a rider may not be able to reach for in emergency situations. Hence the kill switch mandate. If you ever get stuck in a slide you will find out that you don't have time to turn the damn key off cause you are gonna be kinda busy there for a while trying to save your skin. It is also there for moments where you may have your throttle stick wide open on you. This does happen.

I dont think anyone would believe me no matter what I say so I am gonna quote a website here..
Quoting ehow.com

MSF schools will teach their riders to use the kill switch so that the riders get it down to their muscle memory as life could be saved in an emergency when you know where the kill switch is. But everyday isnt emergency ofc!

You can use the side stand switch to avoid wear and tear of the kill switch

+10 to everything you said.

**Itzli** · 03-30-2010, 05:13 PM

Wud saturday morning be ok, u can pm me ur #

**Wolfpack** · 03-30-2010, 05:13 PM

Ignition kill switch...when to use that bugger? : Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums: Gixxer.com

a long discussion on whether to use it or not.

Genreal consensus: to use the kill switch .

**killer_instinct** · 03-30-2010, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Wolfpack View Post

Well I am planning for a short trip to Bheemeswari over the weekend (early in the morning so that we reach around 6 am or in the evening.. Any bd interested to join is welcome..

Good man.. I am heading off to Om Beach, Gokarna, leaving on Thursday Night. My friend would be joining me on his R15 and a shit load of boozers trailing on a Scorpio

**TenHut** · 03-30-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Wolfpack View Post

Ignition kill switch...when to use that bugger? : Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums: Gixxer.com

a long discussion on whether to use it or not.

Genreal consensus: to use the kill switch .

they are all saying they were told to use the kill switch by their MSF conductors. I have already said why the MSF guys make their students use the kill switch.
Other than that...the general consensus there is as good as what we have here
'I havent come accross any good explanation so I am gonna use the kill switch'

I have an explanation so I for one dont and wont use the kill switch.

**Sarvajit** · 03-30-2010, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

The kill switch is a mandate. It has to be put in near the throttle at the exact same position by all the manufacturers. The kill switch is a MANDATE.
Hence one cannot conclude that the kill switch is given by the manufacturers to be used. Period.

Agreed it is a mandate, but not for emergency, for convenience.

The same ShOULD happen everytime. No need to by-pass the tests.

Again, Not necessary every now&then.

The button is 'RED' in colour for a reason. All emergency buttons are 'RED' in colour for a reason.

Thats to attract attention when the bike doesn't start even with the ignition on.

Some bikes have ignition key slots in the wierdest possible position where a rider may not be able to reach for in emergency situations. Hence the kill switch mandate.

The bikes we are talking about, have the ignition slot in the conventional place.

If you ever get stuck in a slide you will find out that you don't have time to turn the damn key off cause you are gonna be kinda busy there for a while trying to save your skin.

Thats what the bank angle sensor is for.

It is also there for moments where you may have your throttle stick wide open on you. This does happen.

Thats another case where its easier to switch off the engine by flicking the thumb, instead of reaching for the ignition.

Originally posted by killer_instinct View Post

Just to correct you on another thing which tenhut didn't mention in his perfect analysis below is that when you use the kill switch the Low beam (not the parking light or even the high beam if its on) stays on on the Ninja. Hence it will suck juice from the battery.

Like I said earlier, its for convenience-1 minute wait at a signal can't drain the battery with low/high/beam on. The bike we are talking about here has DC electricals.
Even otherwise, the way to use any bike equipped with a kill switch is to switch off engine using kill switch, then switch ignition off&remove key finally.
Ignition key in on mode will also consume battery juice FYI. Try it overnight&lemme know.

I don't want to sound mean, but this bike is very different from an R15.

Agreed, but the kill switch concept is the same for Suzuki Samurai, R15, Ninja or R1.

That said, I have been using it since 6 years on my older bike&it never had any backfiring or any other problem.
I stick to my point-its given for convenience&I will continue to use it if its given, even if I buy a bigger bike.

**killer_instinct** · 03-30-2010, 06:48 PM

@ Sarvajit

Different strokes for different folks.

I would rather use the ignition key to switch off the engine, than use the kill switch to kill the engine.

Even the Ninja Service Engineer had strongly advised against using the kill switch unless its an emergency. So I will stick to it.

You paid for the switch

, it's up to you if you wanna use it or not.

**Sarvajit** · 03-30-2010, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by killer_instinct View Post

@ Sarvajit

Different strokes for different folks.

I would rather use the ignition key to switch off the engine, than use the kill switch to kill the engine.

Even the Ninja Service Engineer had strongly advised against using the kill switch unless its an emergency. So I will stick to it.

You paid for the switch

, it's up to you if you wanna use it or not.

Of course!
I suggest you have a look at the manual to see what it says about the kill switch, whether it really 'kills' the engine or not, before deciding not to use it.
Don't forget Ninja service engineers are still Bajaj trained employees.

I would rely on the company info that is stated in the manual than a word of mouth recommendation from a mechanic.

@TenHut: I haven't come across any vehicle's manual recommending to use the switch ONLY in emergency, or stating it will cause damage to the engine.
Show me one of those&the debate ends in your favor.
I am willing to unlearn my age old habit.

**sheelpriye** · 03-30-2010, 07:02 PM

@TenHut-- did the MSF guys clearly mention that the 'kill' switch has to be used in case of an emergency only?
i myself use the kill switch while at signals and if i have to attend a call(short duration for a min) but i really do not know what i would do if the lamp would be running

@saravjit--i believe the low beam would suck more juice out of the battery and idling the bike too isn't recommended

*correct me if i am wrong somewhere guys

**jd666** · 03-30-2010, 07:08 PM

All those in favour of using the kill switch - Use it till the damn color wears off...

All those against - Rip it off your handlebars, what a useless waste of money by the manufacturer.. or maybe you could tape it to the constant on position so it never gets switched off..

basically... Im bored of the discussion.. can we talk about something else?? like for eg, Im looking at getting the following parts for my bike -

- Carbon fibre front fender, the design is slightly different, as can be seen in the 4th pic.
- Carbon fibre tank guard
- Carbon fibre rear wheel hugger
- The 4th pic is of a gp type front fender, in comparo with the stock fender, same is in carbon in the 1st pic.

Dont have complete pricing yet, but the front fender in CF is around 12k or so.

**sheelpriye** · 03-30-2010, 07:13 PM

listen JD,the day i would decide to get the 250R(poor infra and ~200kms distance to PBK and yes cash too), i am going to ping you forever for these parts

Rear wheel hugger won't be having too many glances and i would like to stick with FZ's one(the CF is ~10K i believe)

**n_aditya** · 03-30-2010, 07:15 PM

LOL jd. ... till the color wears off.

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

can we talk about something else?? like for eg, Im looking at getting the following parts for my bike

Man, those things look hot. How much for the CF Tank guard? Any more pics?

P.S. Could you pls let me know where I can pick up Green Wheel Tapes (reflective) for my upcoming ninja? thanks.

**Old Fox** · 03-30-2010, 07:15 PM

TenHut is right when he says that the 'kill' switch is a mandatory piece of equipment placed 'primarily' for emergency use. Of course there's no stopping anyone from using it for 'shutting down' the engine during short duration halts. But as most modern bikes (read 'large capacity engine' equipped) have their head-lamp/s switched on permanently while the ignition key is turned on, using the kill switch does mean draining the battery..and on a bike like the R1 for example, which has a puny 7.5 AH battery to start with, even a two minute stop with a high-mileage battery could mean not enough capacity left-over for engine starting.

JD: you do seem pretty sick of the discussion eh!

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