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  • #17071
    Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

    Hero spares quality has deteriorated badly.

    Engine oil drain bolt sheared today. I never over torque the same. I hand tighten the bolt and then twist it by 1/2 a turn. That's it. Once the engine heats up, it seals good.

    I have seen people who use all their might on the puny drain bolt.

    But, then this happened today. Luckily I got my spare quickly.

    Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
    Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

    Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
    Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
    ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
    P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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    • #17072
      Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
      Hero spares quality has deteriorated badly.

      Engine oil drain bolt sheared today.
      But Divya, how did you extract the thread piece? It should have caught itself in the crankcase. Your ZMR sees more (double?) oil changes than the average one that visits the SVC - that would be one probable reason.
      Last edited by ashwanth.r; 06-25-2016, 04:21 PM.

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      • #17073
        Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Hero spares quality has deteriorated badly.

        Engine oil drain bolt sheared today. I never over torque the same. I hand tighten the bolt and then twist it by 1/2 a turn. That's it. Once the engine heats up, it seals good.

        I have seen people who use all their might on the puny drain bolt.

        But, then this happened today. Luckily I got my spare quickly.

        Happens to most vehicles reaching the service life your bike has seen. However it amazes me that even your bike which sees such tender loving care ended up with a busted cap. Thank your stars that the thread in the crank case didnt slip...

        PS: Time to see "the doctor" may be??..

        Sent from my XT1033 using xBhp Connect mobile app
        Last edited by Bibhu; 06-25-2016, 04:44 PM.
        HYPERTHRUST CLEARED AND COUNTING
        5.....4.....3....2.....1
        sigpic

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        • #17074
          Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

          Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
          But Divya, how did you extract the thread piece? It should have caught itself in the crankcase. Your ZMR sees more (double?) oil changes than the average one that visits the SVC - that would be one probable reason.
          How does my bike see twice the number of oil changes?
          I change oil between 2k to 2.5k km.

          The stuck piece was unscrewed with a simple plier (held from the inside) and rotated in the intended direction.

          Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
          Happens to most vehicles reaching the service life your bike has seen. However it amazes me that even your bike which sees such tender loving care ended up with a busted cap. Thank your stars that the thread in the crank case didnt slip...

          PS: Time to see "the doctor" may be??..
          Yes, despite whatever care you may take, things go wrong. Plus, this is after I keep changing drain bolts voluntarily. Sadly, no doc on earth can't help me with this.
          Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
          Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

          Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
          Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
          ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
          P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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          • #17075
            Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

            This happens when you use a ring spanner which many feel is the ideal tool. I use a socket bit and rod extension, and before I unscrew it I give the cap a mild knock to free it's threads from jam. SVC use powered impact wrenches. Basically it's light aluminum and is very vulnerable to lose shape, unlike Bajaj pulsars steel bolt. better to swap this cap at the slightest indication of head damage with the oring
            Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
            Hero Honda CD100(1997)
            TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
            TVS Scooty ES(2001)
            Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
            RX135 4S(2000)
            RX135 5S(2000)
            IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
            LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
            TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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            • #17076
              Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

              Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
              How does my bike see twice the number of oil changes?
              I change oil between 2k to 2.5k km.

              The stuck piece was unscrewed with a simple plier (held from the inside) and rotated in the intended direction.



              Yes, despite whatever care you may take, things go wrong. Plus, this is after I keep changing drain bolts voluntarily. Sadly, no doc on earth can't help me with this.
              You cange drain bolts?? Wow. Thats something i have never done. Anyways, be careful from now on. The thread in the crank case may slip after this ordeal.

              Sent from my XT1033 using xBhp Connect mobile app
              HYPERTHRUST CLEARED AND COUNTING
              5.....4.....3....2.....1
              sigpic

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              • #17077
                Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
                You cange drain bolts?? Wow. Thats something i have never done. Anyways, be careful from now on. The thread in the crank case may slip after this ordeal.

                Sent from my XT1033 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                Yes. In fact after 7-8 oil changes, this aluminium bolt starts slipping from the head portion. The quality is so bad it almost feels soft.
                So I change it by the 5th oil change myself.
                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                • #17078
                  Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                  Originally posted by Akkiben View Post
                  This happens when you use a ring spanner which many feel is the ideal tool. I use a socket bit and rod extension, and before I unscrew it I give the cap a mild knock to free it's threads from jam.
                  I use an L shaped 17mm wrench.

                  Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                  Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                  Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                  Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                  ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                  P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                  • #17079
                    Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                    Indeed the quality has dipped Divya Bhai :-( . Had a similar issue few months back, So have stocked few drain bolts , O-rings and change the bolt on every 2nd or 3rd oil change.
                    RIDE SANE , RIDE SAFE...

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                    • #17080
                      Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      How does my bike see twice the number of oil changes?
                      I change oil between 2k to 2.5k km. The stuck piece was unscrewed with a simple plier (held from the inside) and rotated in the intended direction.
                      I thought this was the OE drain plug - didn't know you changed it every 7-8 oil changes.

                      Twice? Actually a bit more than that . A 1 lakh run ZMR would see 17 oil changes according to Hero's recommended schedule of 6000 km, 25 if a person follows 4000 km service interval as many guys I know service their bikes every "x" months. At 1 lakh, your ZMR should have seen 35+ oil changes, actually a little bit more as you changed the Rimula at 1800 kms.

                      All this in paper (theory).

                      Originally posted by Akkiben View Post
                      This happens when you use a ring spanner which many feel is the ideal tool. I use a socket bit and rod extension, and before I unscrew it I give the cap a mild knock to free it's threads from jam. SVC use powered impact wrenches. Basically it's light aluminum and is very vulnerable to lose shape, unlike Bajaj pulsars steel bolt. better to swap this cap at the slightest indication of head damage with the oring
                      Actually the way it has sheared, that would happen even if he used a hex socket, no?
                      Last edited by ashwanth.r; 06-25-2016, 06:46 PM.

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                      • #17081
                        Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                        Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                        Twice? Actually a bit more than that . A 1 lakh run ZMR would see 17 oil changes according to Hero's recommended schedule of 6000 km
                        Ah, that way! But 6k km for that crappy tide water mineral oil is way too much. It's just a ploy to make money and sell spares.
                        Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                        Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                        Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                        Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                        ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                        P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                        • #17082
                          Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                          Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post

                          Actually the way it has sheared, that would happen even if he used a hex socket, no?
                          Yes, that's why I also did mention about hitting the drain cap lightly and also change the drain cap periodically.
                          Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
                          Hero Honda CD100(1997)
                          TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
                          TVS Scooty ES(2001)
                          Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
                          RX135 4S(2000)
                          RX135 5S(2000)
                          IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
                          LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
                          TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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                          • #17083
                            Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                            Ah, that way! But 6k km for that crappy tide water mineral oil is way too much. It's just a ploy to make money and sell spares.
                            Tide Water = water in disguise of an oil. I wonder how it passed all the test runs for 6000 kms. I have used that oil in my Eterno once (changed by local mechanic), barely held itself for 3000 kms.

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                            • #17084
                              Hero Honda Karizma ZMR


                              This is what happened when my friend's zimmer drain cap was opened using a ring spanner without hitting it first to loosen thread jam. It kept on losing hex shape and finally I had to use a chisel to unscrew it for him. The one next to it is from my bike which was replaced because it was out of shape. Hero parts are not deteriorating but the puny aluminum drain cap does not do justice for its purpose.
                              Another interesting thing which I recently found out, was that both the drain cap and the tappet cover are one and the same but come in differently labeled packs. So stocking a few wouldn't do any harm as tappet adjustment and oil changes are very routine. Not sure if others are aware of this.
                              Last edited by Akkiben; 06-26-2016, 02:42 PM.
                              Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
                              Hero Honda CD100(1997)
                              TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
                              TVS Scooty ES(2001)
                              Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
                              RX135 4S(2000)
                              RX135 5S(2000)
                              IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
                              LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
                              TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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                              • #17085
                                Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                                Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                                Where do we get M45 ? As far I know Michelin's are not selling M45 anymore in India.
                                Sorry Shreeni0403 and rreneav1987, I have bought it before 4 years for my CBZX. Now it has been discontinued. Just now enquired and you are right, sorry for wrong info.

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