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**devils_friend** · 10-13-2014, 03:29 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by ShaikUmmerFaruk View Post

Yes i do travel in city traffic. But this heat i am feeling, its only after the oil change. Never have felt so much heat before the oil change.

Check for the Engine Oil grade in manual. AFAIK, the grade is 10W30. Since Shell AX7 is 10W40, the engine is under going more stress resulting in sluggish ride. Stick to the recommended grade and your ride will be fine.

Cheerz!!

**avhad sitaram** · 10-13-2014, 04:01 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Hello everyone,
Check oil level , if you fill more or less oil than recommanded quantity then this might be the reason of engine overheating.

**Divya Sharan** · 10-13-2014, 05:48 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by devils_friend View Post

Check for the Engine Oil grade in manual. AFAIK, the grade is 10W30. Since Shell AX7 is 10W40, the engine is under going more stress resulting in sluggish ride. Stick to the recommended grade and your ride will be fine.

Cheerz!!

How's the engine undergoing more stress here sir jee? Base grade is still 10. Infact 10w40 would fare better (read w.r.t lubing) at higher temps compared to 10w30. Isn't it?

For the TS - read @prateek2210's post here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post859822

Also, check for:
1. Carb settings/AF ratio. Mechanics do lean the mix for *better* mileage figures without asking!
2. Air filter condition.
3. Oil level. I hope the correct quantity was filled in.

**visco** · 10-13-2014, 05:51 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by ShaikUmmerFaruk View Post

Hi All,

I own Apache RTR 160 and have completed 8000 kms. Till date I was using the TVS engine oil. As i felt lot of vibrations on top gear and after reading lot of discussion on the same, i wanted to give it a shot by changing the engine oil. I changed the engine oil to Shell AX7 10W40 semi synthetic.

After the oil change, i am facing engine over heat issue. I can feel the heat all the way up to the tank. The overheating is only after i changed the oil. Never i have experienced it before.

Can you please suggest a solution for the issue ?

If you are a regular commuter just using normal Mineral oil with correct grade of your bike is more than good. Only if you rip your bike mercilessly use genuine synthetic oil(beware : lot of duplicates in the market). Synthetic oils for a normal commute do not have any advantage.
Semi synthetic oils are marketed cleverly and will not do any good and avoid it. Perhaps it will neither perform like Mineral nor Synthetic.

Immediately drain out the oil and fill it with TVS recommended grade of genuine Mineral oil. Your bike will feel more happy.

**Divya Sharan** · 10-13-2014, 05:59 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by visco View Post

Semi synthetic oils are marketed cleverly and will not do any good and avoid it. Perhaps it will neither perform like Mineral nor Synthetic.

Obviously, SS won't perform like a mineral or FS, because it is SS by nature. Mineral oils get bad within 1500-2000 kms and SS oils just provide those extra 500-700 kms of lubrication.
Also, Shell AX7 is not purely SS, but a highly refined mineral oil.

P.S - I don't work for Shell, just that I have used a couple of engine oils from their stable for quite long and extremely pleased with the results.

**devils_friend** · 10-13-2014, 06:16 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

How's the engine undergoing more stress here sir jee? Base grade is still 10. Infact 10w40 would fare better (read w.r.t lubing) at higher temps compared to 10w30. Isn't it?

For the TS - read @prateek2210's post here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post859822

Also, check for:
1. Carb settings/AF ratio. Mechanics do lean the mix for *better* mileage figures without asking!
2. Air filter condition.
3. Oil level. I hope the correct quantity was filled in.

From my experience of using a thicker grade engine oil, my bike use to heat up and I would feel the engine to be sluggish. So, to that context I said.

Just like Hero / Honda bikes have 10W30 grade and if you use 10W40, if they use 10W40 grade, engine tends to feel sluggish and heating issue creeps up.

PS: You know better about Hero bikes then me

Cheerz!!

**Divya Sharan** · 10-13-2014, 06:30 PM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Originally posted by devils_friend View Post

From my experience of using a thicker grade engine oil, my bike use to heat up and I would feel the engine to be sluggish. So, to that context I said.

Ah! Got your context now. So you were referring to the rev friendly nature in your post, which I agree to; yes! But not bad for the engine, unless you're jumping across grades like w30 to w50. That'd hurt!

@TS - can you ride for 20-50 odd km and post a pic of your spark plug?

**ShaikUmmerFaruk** · 10-20-2014, 10:13 AM

Re: Apache rtr engine overheat after oil change

Hi All,

Thanks much for all your responses. I drained out the engine oil and replaced with TVS recommended 10w30.

Now, the bike seems to like the oil and the response is also good.

Thanks.

**shojolbd** · 10-26-2014, 12:03 AM

RTR 160 AFR Fuel screw setting

Help please, My Apache RTR 150 white 2014 model is giving me a very poor mileage of 29-31kmpl only. Checked the plug and its black. The Carburetor is same as RTR 160CC. It is set at 1.8 full turns but still very rich AFR. What is the FACTORY DEFAULT setting of the Apache RTR 160cc Carb ot what is the optimum setting for performance and fuel economy? How many turns? Thanks

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**ajextreme** · 11-11-2014, 10:24 PM

Re: RTR 160 AFR Fuel screw setting

Hi Guys, has anyone installed additional headlamps to RTR 160? I am not talking about HID conversion or Projectors. Any advise would be appreciated. I am looking to install something similar to the image attached:

**Rahul.g** · 11-12-2014, 04:39 AM

Re: RTR 160 AFR Fuel screw setting

Originally posted by ajextreme View Post

Hi Guys, has anyone installed additional headlamps to RTR 160? I am not talking about HID conversion or Projectors. Any advise would be appreciated. I am looking to install something similar to the image attached:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]163426[/ATTACH]

I have installed 2 led foglights on the crash guard.
They are 10w each and provide very good light and dont consume much power but they may not be as reliable as a hid or a halogen, one of the fog lamps has went kaput 2 times.
So if you are to invest in leds, be sure to buy something that has warrenty.

P.S - my bike's coil has been rewinded and the RR unit has been changed to piaggo ape's RR unit, thus i dont face any battery draining issue.
Im not sure how it will work on stock RTR

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**ajextreme** · 11-15-2014, 06:47 PM

Re: RTR 160 AFR Fuel screw setting

Originally posted by Rahul.g View Post

I have installed 2 led foglights on the crash guard.
They are 10w each and provide very good light and dont consume much power but they may not be as reliable as a hid or a halogen, one of the fog lamps has went kaput 2 times.
So if you are to invest in leds, be sure to buy something that has warrenty.

P.S - my bike's coil has been rewinded and the RR unit has been changed to piaggo ape's RR unit, thus i dont face any battery draining issue.
Im not sure how it will work on stock RTR

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Thanks for that buddy. Can you show some of the pics of your bike fitted with those lamps. My idea is to install it right below the headlamps on either side and just above the number plates. Use the shock rods right behind for clamps. Also will get it DC to the battery. Only will have to ensure electricals are not meddled with.

**chiragwarm** · 11-15-2014, 08:13 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

My bike was stranded in open ground from Feb till esterday.

Everything was jammed. Replaced a few things and got it 'serviced' from a mechanic. Put a lot of WD40 on everything.

The ride is roughest ever in four years. Its making noises 'Gad gad gad gad' taq taq ta gad taq while riding.

real issue now-

Mechanic told me carburator settings are tampered and fuel screw is jammed and half rusted. Impossible to turn in any way round.

1. I start my bike, its at 1.5K, the ride starts, when say Im in 2nd gear at 30 & I decide to change gear to 3rd and press clutch, immediately suddenly RPM goes upto 4K and beyond. I slowly release clutch and then it comes back to normal. This happens even when I plan to brake.

**Mechanic says this is because my clutch plates are gone, without even looking at it**

what Im thinking-

1. Should I buy a new carburator so I dont get this sudden 4K rpm issue and so that Air Fuel mixture is at factory setting?
2. Or is this sudden 4K beyond rpm due to clutch plates?
clutch wire changed 1K kms ago.

**Balgi** · 11-15-2014, 08:23 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by chiragwarm View Post

My bike was stranded in open ground from Feb till esterday.

Everything was jammed. Replaced a few things and got it 'serviced' from a mechanic. Put a lot of WD40 on everything.

The ride is roughest ever in four years. Its making noises 'Gad gad gad gad' taq taq ta gad taq while riding.

real issue now-

Mechanic told me carburator settings are tampered and fuel screw is jammed and half rusted. Impossible to turn in any way round.

1. I start my bike, its at 1.5K, the ride starts, when say Im in 2nd gear at 30 & I decide to change gear to 3rd and press clutch, immediately suddenly RPM goes upto 4K and beyond. I slowly release clutch and then it comes back to normal. This happens even when I plan to brake.

**Mechanic says this is because my clutch plates are gone, without even looking at it**

what Im thinking-

1. Should I buy a new carburator so I dont get this sudden 4K rpm issue and so that Air Fuel mixture is at factory setting?
2. Or is this sudden 4K beyond rpm due to clutch plates?
clutch wire changed 1K kms ago.

Well I suggest before you do anything else you get rid of your mechanic coz anyone who says sudden rpm spiking is a clutch plate issue doesn't deserve to be within 50feet of a bike.
The carb is the problem. I think the carb float is getting stuck resulting in too much fuel going in. Also check and replace throttle and choke cables. Might solve the problem.

**chiragwarm** · 11-15-2014, 08:32 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

Well I suggest before you do anything else you get rid of your mechanic coz anyone who says sudden rpm spiking is a clutch plate issue doesn't deserve to be within 50feet of a bike.The carb is the problem. I think the carb float is getting stuck resulting in too much fuel going in. Also check and replace throttle and choke cables. Might solve the problem.

i have changed both throttle cables yesterday. The choke is stuck at its position, it comes only half way. Let me try changings it's wires too.
And yes the bike is faster and more aggressive now but I knw it will end up drinking a lot of fuel.

What I was wondering that since Ive already spent a lot and taken a lot of trouble, why not simple replace this carburator? Will the new carburator bring Fuel / Air mixture to its old factory setting?

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